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sharkie
Austria18770 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On July 11 2014 21:26 sharkie wrote: still no defender from barca? XD This word does not appear in the catalan vocabulary, sorry. | ||
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rain~
Germany461 Posts
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fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
On July 11 2014 20:44 ZeroChrome wrote: Tottenham sells Bale-> Arsenal signs Ozil Thank you very much guys :D Sure? | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
Cuadrado --- Piqué --- Mascherano --- Alba -------------------------Busquets-------------------------- -------------Rafinha----------------Iniesta---------------- Messi-----------------Suarez-------------------Neymar Imo Rakitic + Iniesta + three forwards is too much. Rafinha is the player that can replace Xavi the best in the actual squad. Rakitic can sub him or Iniesta, Pedro one of the guys forward. Cuadrado would be perfect in that team, but it seems like a difficult transfer... | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
The fee by the way for Suarez is £75million (€100million) €81million up front €19million over next x amount of years. Confirmed. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On July 11 2014 22:13 WillyWanker wrote: -----------------------Ter Stegen-------------------------- Cuadrado --- Piqué --- Mascherano --- Alba -------------------------Busquets-------------------------- -------------Rafinha----------------Iniesta---------------- Messi-----------------Suarez-------------------Neymar Imo Rakitic + Iniesta + three forwards is too much. Rafinha is the player that can replace Xavi the best in the actual squad. Rakitic can sub him or Iniesta, Pedro one of the guys forward. Cuadrado would be perfect in that team, but it seems like a difficult transfer... How can Barca possibly afford Cuadrado without FFP issues? Also, does Tata Martino consider the Suarez transfer fee to be a crime against humanity like Bale's? | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On July 11 2014 22:21 Pandemona wrote: If you play Masch CB after the world finally saw what he did for Liverpool as DM/CM you are stupid and deserve to get spanked by Bayern every season >.< Well like Sharkie said, Mascherano is "wasted" in Barcelona, but that doesn't mean that he SHOULD play DM in Barcelona either. Barcelona doesn't need someone that throws long passes, they need someone that can keep the ball and play fast, which Busquets does 10 times better than Mascherano. Also, Mascherano as a CB is a beast, as he proved it in 2010-2012. He was a bit worse the last two seasons, but not more than the rest of the team. And playing him along with Busquets would be a crime against Barça football, so it's out of the question  About Cuadrado, if they sell Alves, Pedro, and some of the youngsters, they might not have to spend a lot in the end. But that's why I said it was a difficult transfer | ||
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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
Regarding Barcelona: forget about it, Messi won't play as attacking midfielder or winger again. Under Luis Enrique, they'll most likely field 4-4-2 formation or even find Suarez a new position, because Messi, as long as he's fit, has a guaranteed spot as a leading striker. But in any case, this looks like a tactical clusterfuck to me with one star player too many to fit into the existing positions on the pitch. Somebody is going to become a pretty expensive substitute, I think. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18770 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On July 11 2014 23:01 wingpawn wrote: A serious question guys: isn't banning Suarez not only from matches, but also from training with his club and attending games as a spectator a breach of Spanish law and human rights? I mean, okay, games are organized by FIFA and UEFA, but football practice should be outside of their jurisdiction, right? Aside from this punisment being totally outrageous, I do believe that he could complain about this verdict to a regular court or even Strasbourg tribunal, if everything else fails. Regarding Barcelona: forget about it, Messi won't play as attacking midfielder or winger again. Under Luis Enrique, they'll most likely field 4-4-2 formation or even find Suarez a new position, because Messi, as long as he's fit, has a guaranteed spot as a leading striker. But in any case, this looks like a tactical clusterfuck to me with one star player too many to fit into the existing positions on the pitch. Somebody is going to become a pretty expensive substitute, I think. Yes and no. I understand it that way: Not FIFA is practically keeping him away from the training facilities, the club is. The Club has all the right in the world to lock out people and players under contract and FIFA is forcing them by saying "you are banning him from your facilities or we are banning you from our competitions". | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Exactly how a medical board has the power to revoke a doctor/surgeon license. Being a footballer is a profession after all and fifa is just revoking suarez's "license" for 4 months. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On July 11 2014 22:53 WillyWanker wrote: Well like Sharkie said, Mascherano is "wasted" in Barcelona, but that doesn't mean that he SHOULD play DM in Barcelona either. Barcelona doesn't need someone that throws long passes, they need someone that can keep the ball and play fast, which Busquets does 10 times better than Mascherano. Also, Mascherano as a CB is a beast, as he proved it in 2010-2012. He was a bit worse the last two seasons, but not more than the rest of the team. And playing him along with Busquets would be a crime against Barça football, so it's out of the question About Cuadrado, if they sell Alves, Pedro, and some of the youngsters, they might not have to spend a lot in the end. But that's why I said it was a difficult transfer Well you realize the "brand" of Barcelona is going to change just like that of Spanish national team after the system they created has been found wanting as their is a better way to play against it now which has been proven in this World Cup and the last two seasons. Im pretty sure i see Barcelona 4-2-3-1 next season or maybe 4-3-3 still but that means Messi will be played wide and im quite sure he wouldn't like that, so 4-2-3-1 looks the right way as 4-4-2 would just straight up not work for Barca either. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On July 11 2014 23:01 wingpawn wrote: Regarding Barcelona: forget about it, Messi won't play as attacking midfielder or winger again. Under Luis Enrique, they'll most likely field 4-4-2 formation or even find Suarez a new position, because Messi, as long as he's fit, has a guaranteed spot as a leading striker. But in any case, this looks like a tactical clusterfuck to me with one star player too many to fit into the existing positions on the pitch. Somebody is going to become a pretty expensive substitute, I think. Agreed on the last part. But for the rest not so much. That's why I said someone like Cuadrado would be perfect, because he could also play like a winger in offensive phases, like Alves did under Guardiola. Messi would slide behind Suarez, and it would become a kind of 3-3-1-3 (1 being Messi). Even now, when he plays as a false 9, he often takes the ball from the right side since Iniesta is on the left. This team wouldn't be very balanced anyway. Now that they lost Xavi (not 100% sure but it's very likely), I don't see how that team could be balanced if they want to play tiki-taka... Rakitic wasn't needed, Barça needed Gundogan/Veratti/Koke to replace Xavi. @Pandemona: good tiki-taka hasn't been "countered" in the last seasons, only bad tiki-taka. But you might be right, Luis Enrique might try something different (although I don't think he will since he's kind of like Guardiola in his tactics) and play with Masche + Busquets + Iniesta behind the 3 forwards. With that many star players, they could still win a CL, but it wouldn't be a long term football plan like Pep's was. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On July 11 2014 22:53 WillyWanker wrote: Well like Sharkie said, Mascherano is "wasted" in Barcelona, but that doesn't mean that he SHOULD play DM in Barcelona either. Barcelona doesn't need someone that throws long passes, they need someone that can keep the ball and play fast, which Busquets does 10 times better than Mascherano. Also, Mascherano as a CB is a beast, as he proved it in 2010-2012. He was a bit worse the last two seasons, but not more than the rest of the team. And playing him along with Busquets would be a crime against Barça football, so it's out of the question About Cuadrado, if they sell Alves, Pedro, and some of the youngsters, they might not have to spend a lot in the end. But that's why I said it was a difficult transfer Not sure if this still possible, but there was talk last month of Alves + cash for Marquinhos from PSG. I suppose Pedro could be sold, but there aren't many options for him. He would only want to play for an upper tier CL club, and most clubs fitting that criterion are already spending big money on other attacking talent. Maybe Man Utd if they are priced out of a move for Di Maria? | ||
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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
On July 11 2014 23:05 Micro_Jackson wrote: Yes and no. I understand it that way: Not FIFA is practically keeping him away from the training facilities, the club is. The Club has all the right in the world to lock out people and players under contract and FIFA is forcing them by saying "you are banning him from your facilities or we are banning you from our competitions". Well, I guess you're right. But that's quite a ridiculous extension of FIFA's power through blackmail, all things considered. IMHO, that biting shitstorm is based not on an real magnitude of the incident, but on the notion of how unusual it was. Like, if someone ever peed on their opponent during the match, he would probably get five times longer ban than if he ever spitted on someone, even though, from purely rational point of view, peeing is far less harmful, since the urine, as opposed to saliva, is actually sterile. But well, spitting has happened many times before and thus, the "gross-out" factor would be much smaller. @WillyWanker - Agreed on Cuadrado part, but regarding Xavi's replacement - if only Barcelona had some more patience, they could maybe persuade Toni Kroos to join, instead of him going to Real Madrid. He had basically 2 last years of tiki-taka practice in Bayern under Guardiola and a lot of standard, German-style tactics under Heynckes. To me, right now Kroos is not only overall better than Rakitic or the guys you've mentioned, but also more tactically flexible choice as CM. But I think Barcelona was in hurry to sign someone, and as Rakitic seemed good enough for given money, they just went for it. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsN478rCEAEmhr0.jpg) (posted on his instagram, deleted now) | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
http://www.marca.com/2014/07/11/en/football/real_madrid/1405065498.html The Portuguese international, the highest scorer in 'la Liga', got 35 votes, ahead of Diego Costa, who only received 16. The Spanish international had a brilliant season at Atlético and was responsible for most of their goals. Barça striker Leo Messi found himself in third place with seven votes, following a notable second half of the season. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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