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On July 09 2014 00:22 GizmoPT wrote:
maybe i mean you never know maybe back then Eder would have been the best player ever you never know right ? lol..
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On July 09 2014 00:20 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah i agree with that point but you still cannot classify whether or not he was better or worst than Messi of today is my argument that is all. What your saying about levels of players in todays game is completely true, to make it as a professional footballer now you have to some huge fucking talent or do something no one else can do. Whether it be run 100mph with the ball glued to your feet or cross a ball pin point accurately.
Pretty sure Eder > Eusebio? xDDDDDDDDDD
On July 09 2014 00:08 warding wrote:
My argument is purely based on a statistical view of things. I don't know if it holds for boxing - are there more pro boxers today than in the 60's and 70's?
Here, I made a drawing to try to show what I mean more clearly:
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The idea is that the curves have the same shape, but since today's curve is much larger - since there are so many more professional players training at top level - standing out today among all of them means you're further out as an outlier than before.
On July 08 2014 23:54 Pandemona wrote:
Well would you say the same about boxing then?
Could Muhamad Ali of tamed a Klitchsko in his prime? Could Mike Tyson/Lenox Lewis go toe to toe with Ali and Foreman?
These are the questions that everyone has a view on but no one ever brings up, well they fought in a time without really hardcore training so they werent fighting top elite level athletes. No, but they still swung their arms as hard as they could to try and knock eachother out. They also didn't get as much protection in terms of gloves and what not.
Like Zeo said, Di Stefano and Eusiebo etcetc did what they did whilst getting tackled by the most severe of challenges and still carrying on. They were getting kneed into the back like Neymar was every second of the game, let alone once a blue moon like we see today.
Also playing on terrible pitches and still bringing "samba" like style to the game shows more than class it shows brilliance. To do that with a ball as heavy as a medicine ball and mud pitches holding it up would of been brilliant to see.
Not saying Messi and Ronaldo couldn't do the same thing back then as we would never know the differences, but to completely rule it out is bad and unfair.
Well would you say the same about boxing then?
Could Muhamad Ali of tamed a Klitchsko in his prime? Could Mike Tyson/Lenox Lewis go toe to toe with Ali and Foreman?
These are the questions that everyone has a view on but no one ever brings up, well they fought in a time without really hardcore training so they werent fighting top elite level athletes. No, but they still swung their arms as hard as they could to try and knock eachother out. They also didn't get as much protection in terms of gloves and what not.
Like Zeo said, Di Stefano and Eusiebo etcetc did what they did whilst getting tackled by the most severe of challenges and still carrying on. They were getting kneed into the back like Neymar was every second of the game, let alone once a blue moon like we see today.
Also playing on terrible pitches and still bringing "samba" like style to the game shows more than class it shows brilliance. To do that with a ball as heavy as a medicine ball and mud pitches holding it up would of been brilliant to see.
Not saying Messi and Ronaldo couldn't do the same thing back then as we would never know the differences, but to completely rule it out is bad and unfair.
My argument is purely based on a statistical view of things. I don't know if it holds for boxing - are there more pro boxers today than in the 60's and 70's?
Here, I made a drawing to try to show what I mean more clearly:
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The idea is that the curves have the same shape, but since today's curve is much larger - since there are so many more professional players training at top level - standing out today among all of them means you're further out as an outlier than before.
Yeah i agree with that point but you still cannot classify whether or not he was better or worst than Messi of today is my argument that is all. What your saying about levels of players in todays game is completely true, to make it as a professional footballer now you have to some huge fucking talent or do something no one else can do. Whether it be run 100mph with the ball glued to your feet or cross a ball pin point accurately.
On July 09 2014 00:11 GizmoPT wrote:
by the end of the day we will have a scientific study here... wtf guys ? Di Stefano died and all you guys can argue is herp derp Messi is better derp by your logic maybe Bruma > Eusebio k thx and those graphics are subjective as hell lol
dont compare different eras.. doesnt make any sense..
by the end of the day we will have a scientific study here... wtf guys ? Di Stefano died and all you guys can argue is herp derp Messi is better derp by your logic maybe Bruma > Eusebio k thx and those graphics are subjective as hell lol
dont compare different eras.. doesnt make any sense..
Pretty sure Eder > Eusebio? xDDDDDDDDDD
maybe i mean you never know maybe back then Eder would have been the best player ever you never know right ? lol..
Hahaha :3
But yeah good discussion with another never ending outcome. Damn we are good at finding these in this thread xD
