EPT2013-2014 Champions League & Europa League Thread - Page 58
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Germany461 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6286 Posts
On November 27 2013 06:38 Roybs wrote: YES AJAX YES. So worth it. Holy shit this time the Uefa won't fuck us over again. This time not Uefa!!!!!!!!!!!! GG NO RE The win is nice but there's actually no real difference between a draw or a win tonight. AC Milan is on 8 points and Ajax has 7 so we'll have to win. If we had drawn we'd be on 5 points but if we win the next match against AC Milan we'll be trough anyway since we'd have a better head to head result. So yeh this game is more a morale boost than anything else. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On November 27 2013 06:43 Stratos_speAr wrote: You're right, according to Wikipedia: higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question; superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question; higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question; higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches played among the teams in question; If, after applying criteria 1) to 4) to several teams, two teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1) to 4) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the two teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 6) to 8) apply; superior goal difference from all group matches played; higher number of goals scored from all group matches played; higher number of coefficient points accumulated by the club in question, as well as its association, over the previous five seasons. So, according to this, we have the following scenario: Arsenal 12 pts (+5 GD) Dortmund 9 pts (+4 GD) Napoli 9 pts (-1 GD) Dortmund advances IF: They beat OM or Napoli loses and ends with a worse GD than them or They tie OM and Napoli ties/loses Arsenal advances IF: They lose by less than 6 goals against Napoli or They tie/win Napoli advances IF: They end with the same result as Dortmund in Matchday 6 and they end with a better GD than Dortmund or Arsenal (would require a win of at least +5) or Dortmund loses and Napoli ties/wins This is my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's GD between the teams if they all tie, not overall, which is Arsenal +2, Dortmund +1, Napoli -3. Also if Napoli needs to win by 3, not 6, because +3 for them is -3 for Arsenal. Simply the scenario is: Dortmund: Needs to match Napoli's result vs. Arsenal or better it. Arsenal: Needs to not lose by 3 goals to Napoli if Dortmund wins. Napoli: Needs to beat Dortmund's result vs. Marseille, or beat Arsenal by 3. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 27 2013 06:46 ZapRoffo wrote: It's GD between the teams if they all tie, not overall, which is Arsenal +2, Dortmund +1, Napoli -3. Also if Napoli needs to win by 3, not 6, because +3 for them is -3 for Arsenal. Simply the scenario is: Dortmund: Needs to match Napoli's result vs. Arsenal or better it. Arsenal: Needs to not lose by 3 goals to Napoli if Dortmund wins. Napoli: Needs to beat Dortmund's result vs. Marseille Yea, I just gave up. The gist of it is that Napoli is in the worst spot and needs to win big to secure their spot. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
And how did barca play in holland? Was it that bad? | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
Arsenal: goals 4-2, points 6 (game in Napoli to play) Dormund: goals 6-5, points 6 (game in Marseile to play) Napoli: goals 3-6, points 3 (game vs Arsenal to play) Permutations for last playday (only the non obvious one, i.e. those non settled by points): Dortmund & Napoli both tie or both lose their games: Dortmund advances due to better head-to-head record (4-3 goals scored in head-to-head, both have 3 head-to-head points) Dortmund & Napoli both win, then Dortmund advances. Napoli need to win by 3 goals, they advance; otherwise Arsenal will advance. Who will be 1st/2nd/3rd is more complicated, work this out on your own if you care. edit: Man I'm slow. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Ajax got a sick first half and a deserved win, GGWP. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
Chelsea is qualified. Basel qualifies with with W/D at Schalke, Schalke qualifies with Win (they are home) Group F: Dortmund: Needs to match Napoli's result vs. Arsenal or better it. (GD doesn't matter for them) Arsenal: Needs to not lose by 3 goals to Napoli if Dortmund wins. Napoli: Needs to beat Dortmund's result vs. Marseille, or beat Arsenal by 3. Group G: Atletico is first. Porto must do better at Atletico than Zenit does at Austria. Zenit must at least match Porto (good for Zenit, bad for Porto basically) Group H: Barcelona is qualified. Milan qualifies with W/D vs. Ajax, Ajax must win at Milan. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 27 2013 06:54 ZapRoffo wrote: Group E: Chelsea is qualified. Basel qualifies with with W/D vs. Schalke, Schalke qualifies with Win Group F: Dortmund: Needs to match Napoli's result vs. Arsenal or better it. Arsenal: Needs to not lose by 3 goals to Napoli if Dortmund wins. Napoli: Needs to beat Dortmund's result vs. Marseille Group G: Atletico is first. Porto must do better at Atletico than Zenit does at Austria. Zenit must at least match Porto at Atletico (good for Zenit, bad for Porto basically) Grup H: Barcelona is qualified. Milan qualifies with W/D vs. Ajax, Ajax must win at Milan. Napoli doesn't need to match Dortmund's result; they just need to beat Arsenal by at least 3. If Dortmund wins, I believe that Napoli will need to win by 4 to overtake Dortmund in the standings. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On November 27 2013 06:55 Stratos_speAr wrote: Napoli doesn't need to match Dortmund's result; they just need to beat Arsenal by at least 3. Oh yeah, hehe. Well they have to do one or the other. | ||
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TheDWorm
Germany69 Posts
On November 27 2013 06:55 Stratos_speAr wrote: Napoli doesn't need to match Dortmund's result; they just need to beat Arsenal by at least 3. and i think dortmund also needs to only win | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 27 2013 06:57 TheDWorm wrote: and i think dortmund also needs to only win Actually you're right; because the only way for Napoli to advance while Dortmund beats OM if for Napoli to win big, which would knock Arsenal out altogether. So there you have it! Win and we're in! Simple  | ||
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Roybs
Netherlands500 Posts
On November 27 2013 06:45 RvB wrote: The win is nice but there's actually no real difference between a draw or a win tonight. AC Milan is on 8 points and Ajax has 7 so we'll have to win. If we had drawn we'd be on 5 points but if we win the next match against AC Milan we'll be trough anyway since we'd have a better head to head result. So yeh this game is more a morale boost than anything else. True, but fact is that I'm so frustrated that Ajax gets somehow, someway degraded by the referee/Uefa, look at the thing wat happened in Zagreb vs Lyon, or 2 years (or last year) vs RMA, the 2 goals which were rejected. Or even the penalty vs AC Milan this year. Just so happy that finally they win a top level game (what does matter) without throwing it away. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On November 27 2013 06:57 TheDWorm wrote: and i think dortmund also needs to only win Yeah I was including that if they win, they can't have not at least matched Napoli. | ||
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TheDWorm
Germany69 Posts
On November 27 2013 07:00 ZapRoffo wrote: Yeah I was including that if they win, they can't have not at least matched Napoli. Or if dortmund - marseille is draw than neapoli needs to win (no matter which result) to knock out bvb (from 2nd Place) | ||
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Roybs
Netherlands500 Posts
The supporter who fell during the first half of Ajax vs Barcalona died. Sources claim that he was under effects of LSD and withnesses said that the supporter thought he was a bird. He died from his wounds in the hospital. | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2107 Posts
first half was fantastic, 2nd got really intense with the big fail pass back and from there on Ajax was defending. Hearing the fan roar when the final whitle blew was really epic :D | ||
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