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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On March 26 2015 22:44 Gahlo wrote: On the contrary, at lot of time discoveries are just ahead of their time and need to wait until they can be applied properly. Right, like i said we need people to push the academic boundaries, but their discoveries are "useless" if never applied. On March 26 2015 22:47 mordek wrote: Coma I'm pretty sure you're referring to Sniper paintball which was awesome. I remember being super impressed by the AI as a 12 yr old or w/e I was. could be! that patrol micro lol and hiding in bushes for that miss chance. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On March 26 2015 22:48 ComaDose wrote: could be! that patrol micro lol and hiding in bushes for that miss chance. Yesssss that's exactly what I'm talking about. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On March 26 2015 22:54 Prog wrote: Of course discoveries never applied are useless, but that does not mean that they are worthless. Not all value comes from use (in other words: not all value is instrumental value). Like intrinsic value? like feeling good about how much you know? I guess that's not entirely worthless. Can you give me another example? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
The classic example of intrinsic value is when you ask why something is good and at some point one cannot come up with other answers than "it just is". Take you help someone carrying a heavy bag without any personal benifit whatsoever. Still we have the intuition that this is a good action. But why? It just is. There is no further reason than the good action itself. Now you may find a story that helping someone is not good in itself, but only good because it brings pleasure or whatever. But then you can ask what makes pleasure good. And you'll find it very difficult to give a story why pleasure is good, other than "it just is". (this may repeat itself a couple of times, but at some point you'll find something which's value you cannot derive from something else.) Edit: To give an example from tradition: Aristotle thought "happiness" (eudaimonia) is an intrinsic value that other values are derived from. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On March 26 2015 23:01 ComaDose wrote: Like intrinsic value? like feeling good about how much you know? I guess that's not entirely worthless. Can you give me another example? The dismissal of "Jewish Physics" by Nazi Germany. godwinned | ||
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crimethinking
Vietnam765 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Should never underestimate knowledge. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On March 26 2015 23:26 crimethinking wrote: Whenever the Euros come into talking in OT, OT becomes 300% more intellectual all of a sudden. Well, let's be fair, it can either be 300% more intellectual or 300% less intellectual. Hmmm, 300% less intellectual doesn't really make sense, does it. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 26 2015 23:33 Fildun wrote: Well, let's be fair, it can either be 300% more intellectual or 300% less intellectual. Hmmm, 300% less intellectual doesn't really make sense, does it. That's all folks! | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
even academics use their knowledge to further their knowledge kinda thing. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Similar with happiness: Happiness is valuable for its own sake (intrinsic value). Having a good dinner is only valuable for happiness' sake (extrinsic value). And its certainly true that knowledge has instrumental value. It is less obvious that it only has instrumental value. But it would not be a super crazy idea to believe that. (Even though, I take it, you don't fully hold this radical view) And tea is certainly awesome. Personally I'm a darjeeling fan. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Tea-related fact: In the building our philosophy department is set in we have kitchens with boiling water taps for absolute tea convenience. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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