Off-Topic General Discussion - Page 3914

On January 08 2015 03:50 TheYango wrote:

What is with all this Neo flaming today, lmao.

EDIT: Also, That Trending Now thing at the top is way more awkward when the topic is something as grim as the France shooting, lol.

On January 08 2015 03:50 TheYango wrote:

What is with all this Neo flaming today, lmao.

EDIT: Also, That Trending Now thing at the top is way more awkward when the topic is something as grim as the France shooting, lol.

On January 08 2015 03:53 ComaDose wrote:
yeah stop picking on neo i heard he regularly reads all 5 major teamliquid sites.

On January 08 2015 03:55 Requizen wrote:
The clear choice for mods are Wave and Mordek. Daddy mods all the way.

On January 08 2015 02:50 Scip wrote:
So what do you think we need to do in order to integrate muslims better into our society LT?

Cheep is staff on TL, I'm not sure if that gives him power over all the sites or how things work out.

On January 08 2015 02:56 wei2coolman wrote:

That's one part of it. Hate to be the voice of reason, but it's not a religious thing, it's a socio-economic thing. A large portion of Muslims tend to still live in non-modernized developing countries, therefore their baseline of moral compass tends to be more conservative, and thus extremism tends to be over represented in their community. You can see the same metric take place in more conservative southern states vs the more progressive states in the USA, and how they played out. There's a reason why big city states, and big cities tend to be far more progressive, while rural areas tend to be far more conservative. Similarly a large chunk of the Muslim community has been stuck in 3rd world countries, thus their faith tends to be far more extreme.

On January 08 2015 03:53 ComaDose wrote:
feeling odd being the only one that voted yes to scip so far.

yeah stop picking on neo i heard he regularly reads all 5 major teamliquid sites.

On January 08 2015 03:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Nothing against you Scip, but you're not mod material.

I on the other hand...

On January 08 2015 03:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Nothing against you Scip, but you're not mod material.

I on the other hand...

On January 08 2015 03:56 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Varies from country to country. Eg. in Germany, until only very recently Turks who had lived in Germany for generations were still not qualified to become naturalized citizens, whilst anyone with "German blood" could become German citizens quite rapidly. And the issues that the UK/France faces in regards to Muslim populations and immigrants is peculiar relative to the rest of Europe.

But in general: workforce discrimination; there's quite a large corpus of work examining the effects having a "Muslim" name on your resume has on your chances of being called back for an interview in Europe (similar studies have been done for "Black" names in America). With identical resumes, well, you get the idea. There's been more extensive tests outside of that (eg. race, "accent", and other such factors for work/housing) but yes, there is an unspoken discrimination in these areas. Not only in Europe (and it gets quite bad in other places), but that's one issue. There is an opportunity gap.

The other is generally immigration policy (Ive made the joke about Fortress Europe several times in this thread at least), police work (Arabs in France probably feel like Blacks in Urban America, for instance; 00's race riots etc.), urban planning (effective ghettos for poor minorities), etc.


If you're interested in the comparison, I'll actually link a recent publication from one of my former professors.

http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/15288.html


No. While yes the factors are primarily socio-economic in why Muslims in Europe are radicalizing (emphasis on social), the rest of it...no.

That perpetuates the stereotype that Muslim nations are primarily third world countries. Anyone who has been anywhere NEAR the Gulf States can attest to that. Whilst they're more prone to hold conservative views, THAT DOES NOT MEAN CONSERVATIVE=RADICAL OR MILITANT. That's something that has far more complex roots. For instance, the majority of Muslims in France live in cities or the surrounding suburbs. How does that fit with your half-assed explanation "urban=liberal rural=conservative" (which is generally true, but has no relevance here)?

Like ISIS. That's a result of the Iraqi government post-Occupation effectively disenfranchising Sunni in the country after the US left, both politically and economically, which lead to, well, things.

Radicalization and militancy doesn't root itself in just being poor/conservative. You can be a liberal or socialist militant/terrorist, you can be a conservative militant/terrorist. We can find plenty of examples of both.

On January 08 2015 03:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:


this is actually hilarious

you voted yes to scip, but you have to compete against Castlevania, which is always and forever the correct answer to any poll

On January 08 2015 03:59 wei2coolman wrote:

That's why I made a point of saying "over represented", doesn't mean that every muslim in 3rd world countries are extremists, but on average their moral compass tends to be more conservative to their modern counterparts.

On January 08 2015 04:02 Lord Tolkien wrote:

But that means nothing!

The issue is why Islamic youth in Europe are radicalizing, because that's an entirely separate issue from ISIS (which does draw upon radicalized youth from the developed world, mind you) or anything else that happens in North Africa or the Mideast, and has nothing to do with "conservative" views.

People hold conservative views all the time, but that doesn't mean they'll shoot Obama or someshit.