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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 23 2014 13:07 TheYango wrote: I mean, 14 was a bad level for you to pick because Limited Wish is available at 13 and is open-ended and degenerate enough for it to be possible for it to do almost anything you want. well, i guess but most of the time, you are at the behest of the DM with limited wish, a DM can rule that a permanent thrall is beyond the power of a 6th level spell and nix the casting. create thrall just IS. you know? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
In general, a ton of the non munchkin-y "broken" things in 3.5E are things written with retarded amounts of open-ended flexibility (Limited Wish, Polymorph, Contingency, Leadership feat, etc.). They happen to also be capable of being twisted to do stupidly powerful things by a munchkin, but even without that, the flexibility is overpowered enough on its own. In practice, this tends to be more "overpowered" than the less flexible, more powerful ability because having an "I have an answer to everything" card makes it harder for a DM to design an appropriate challenge for you. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Casting Dominate Person every 2 weeks might actually be easier to pull off, to be honest, lol, and has a lot more flexibility (and Dominate Person is only a 5th level spell). | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 23 2014 10:17 TheYango wrote: What's confusing is why someone would ever advertise a stream in off-topic because the number of users that see this thread is pretty low compared to a lot of the major hub threads, lol. If it's done by bot it might to go to most views, which OT probably outpaces hard in this subforum. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On December 23 2014 12:39 AsmodeusXI wrote: But the first Avatar episode was incredible. season 3 of korra was also great and had a way more shocking and better ending than the finale. In my opinion the finale is one of the most over hyped things in 2014 | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 23 2014 13:25 TheYango wrote: Also, the Create Thrall ability of the Warlock is severely limited by the need to touch the affected person, which means that in practice you have to jump through a lot of munchkin-y hoops to actually get a king with it without anyone else there to notice/stop you. Casting Dominate Person every 2 weeks might actually be easier to pull off, to be honest, lol, and has a lot more flexibility (and Dominate Person is only a 5th level spell). Dominate person also is really really easy to detect. anyone could tell of a dramatic change of the king's behavior and it would discredit a lot of what he does, in any society dominated by nobility, i mean sure you could control a goblin kingdom through its autocrat and they wouldn't know any better, but that isn't really anything. it takes far more time to maintain a lordships control through dominate person than thrall, you have to be constantly getting the lord to act as if nothing is wrong, and you know any natural 20 on an order and you are done assuming he can't just make a save normally. all you need to do is kiss a kings ring and he's yours forever with create thrall. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Sure, it's permanent, no-save effect, but a permanent no-save 1st level spell is still a 1st level spell. EDIT: I just looked up the Charmed status in the PHB. It only provides: - A charmed creature can't attack the charmer or target the charmer with harmful abilities or magical effects. - The charmer has advantage on any ability check to interact socially with the creature. So it's a no-save Sanctuary and a Diplomacy bonus. Nothing to write home about. EDIT 2: Ok, so now I'm like 100% sure you're not reading the ability itself. At 14th level, you gain the ability to infect a humanoid’s mind with the alien magic of your patron. You can use your action to touch an incapacitated humanoid. That creature is then charmed by you until a remove curse spell is cast on it, the charmed condition is removed from it, or you use this feature again. You can communicate telepathically with the charmed creature as long as the two o f you are on the same plane of existence. You have to do a lot more than kiss a king's ring for him to be incapacitated. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 23 2014 13:46 TheYango wrote: But a thrall is only charmed as per the Charm Person spell. It's a lot more limited in what you can make him do. It's not total control. Sure, it's permanent, no-save effect, but a permanent no-save 1st level spell is still a 1st level spell. EDIT: I just looked up the Charmed status in the PHB. It only provides: - A charmed creature can't attack the charmer or target the charmer with harmful abilities or magical effects. - The charmer has advantage on any ability check to interact socially with the creature. So it's a no-save Sanctuary and a Diplomacy bonus. Nothing to write home about. having a king and thus a kingdom, unable to act against you and easily manipulated is quite powerful in terms of a roleplaying advantage. not to mention if domination was really a big deal the great old one warlock gets that as an invocation anyway. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On December 23 2014 13:29 Chexx wrote: season 3 of korra was also great and had a way more shocking and better ending than the finale. In my opinion the finale is one of the most over hyped things in 2014 Eh it was pretty good to be honest, I mean+ Show Spoiler + giant robot | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 23 2014 13:52 PrinceXizor wrote: having a king and thus a kingdom, unable to act against you and easily manipulated is quite powerful in terms of a roleplaying advantage. Sure, but a Sanctuary and a +15 Diplomacy bonus are far below the bounds of a Limited Wish spell, even accounting for the no-save/permanency, since these are 1st and 2nd level spell effects. Plus, again, there's still the incapacitated restriction which you failed to read. On December 23 2014 13:52 PrinceXizor wrote: not to mention if domination was really a big deal the great old one warlock gets that as an invocation anyway. Well, once per day and the 5E version of Dominate Person is way less broken than the 3.5E version. Plus I'm not sure if, as written, the Warlock is allowed to use the Heightened versions given how his Invocations work. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 23 2014 13:56 TheYango wrote: Sure, but a Sanctuary and a +15 Diplomacy bonus are far below the bounds of a Limited Wish spell, even accounting for the no-save/permanency, since these are 1st and 2nd level spell effects. Plus, again, there's still the incapacitated restriction which you failed to read. incapacitating isn't difficult. its not bound, or unconscious. its Incapacitated, someone unable to act freely. holding their hand to your lips as a king is slightly bent over in court, that king is temporarily incapacitated. he is unable to act freely. if it was bound unconscious or otherwise impaired in that manner, it'd have stated so. incapacitated is an inability to act freely. the wording is seemingly to prevent playing tag in combat with the ability. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 23 2014 14:05 PrinceXizor wrote: incapacitating isn't difficult. its not bound, or unconscious. its Incapacitated, someone unable to act freely. holding their hand to your lips as a king is slightly bent over in court, that king is temporarily incapacitated. he is unable to act freely. if it was bound unconscious or otherwise impaired in that manner, it'd have stated so. incapacitated is an inability to act freely. the wording is seemingly to prevent playing tag in combat with the ability. Well, no, in the context of the rules, "incapacitated" is a specific keyword condition (see the "conditions" section in the appendix) that many spells and abilities refer to, that refers to a creature unable to take actions or reactions. The situation you described doesn't qualify. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 23 2014 14:08 ComaDose wrote: fuck you i can work improved feitn with my syth dont p[lay me like that Somehow I knew I was gonna get drunk Coma's response after I made that post, lol. | ||
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