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Marmy
Iran1697 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 04 2014 11:28 Eppa! wrote: Because the was no reason for except terror? I thought American enjoyed being #1 I am getting gaming, furniture and adhesive tape ads. it was about ending the war without having to put american lives at risk. Truman had been told by his generals that surrender would not happen without an american invasion of Japan. he made a decision to try to end the war while risking at most a hundred or so american lives, instead of risking a million in an invasion. You can argue whether that was right or wrong, but it was the chief reason behind the decision. it certainly was not just terror. Truman argued that it saved japanese lives in the long run as dropping the bombs would kill a hundred thousand japanese, but a full scale invasion and all the bombings it would entail would result in far more. Scientists were not adequately informed about the degree of problems caused by radiation at the time and truman was not informed of this at the time of his decision. Hell the US scientists tested the bombs by lining soldiers up to watch and giving them sunglasses as their only protection. certainly we can look back with 70 years of knowledge and say the decision was likely excessive, but it wasn't unreasonable for the time and limited knowledge of the weapons we had when we used them. Truman thought he was dropping the equivalent of an extremely powerful conventional payload. rather than a poisonous bomb we know them to be now. | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
The secret is not Mirror Entity, Counter-Spell, Vaporize or Ice Barrier. Hunter has exact lethal, but can also clear and leave himself with a very good board. Do you go face? edit: no targeted spells involved in the lethal, so Spellbender is not a factor | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
pretty much you are in a situation where: if its ice block you lose. if mage has pyro in hand or on top of the deck you lose. you'd also lose if mage has frost bolt and fireball or two fireballs ect. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On December 04 2014 12:06 PrinceXizor wrote: it was about ending the war without having to put american lives at risk. Truman had been told by his generals that surrender would not happen without an american invasion of Japan. he made a decision to try to end the war while risking at most a hundred or so american lives, instead of risking a million in an invasion. You can argue whether that was right or wrong, but it was the chief reason behind the decision. it certainly was not just terror. Truman argued that it saved japanese lives in the long run as dropping the bombs would kill a hundred thousand japanese, but a full scale invasion and all the bombings it would entail would result in far more. Scientists were not adequately informed about the degree of problems caused by radiation at the time and truman was not informed of this at the time of his decision. Hell the US scientists tested the bombs by lining soldiers up to watch and giving them sunglasses as their only protection. certainly we can look back with 70 years of knowledge and say the decision was likely excessive, but it wasn't unreasonable for the time and limited knowledge of the weapons we had when we used them. Truman thought he was dropping the equivalent of an extremely powerful conventional payload. rather than a poisonous bomb we know them to be now. Except some generals where against it because it would not change the outcome and some say that the fact that the Soviet entered the war ended it. Its not like the US haven't done similar acts (not nuclear) at later that to strengthen their world position. On December 04 2014 12:16 Alzadar wrote: Arena, Hunter vs Mage. Mage has a secret up, 12 damage on the board. Mage has 15 health, Hunter has 10. The secret is not Mirror Entity, Counter-Spell, Vaporize or Ice Barrier. Hunter has exact lethal, but can also clear and leave himself with a very good board. Do you go face? edit: no targeted spells involved in the lethal, so Spellbender is not a factor I would say depends on number of wins, higher wins = more likely to have pyro / fireballs and less likely to have iceblock. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On December 04 2014 11:28 Eppa! wrote: Because the was no reason for except terror? I thought American enjoyed being #1 I am getting gaming, furniture and adhesive tape ads. In addition to what was stated before, the human prospect of a full invasion of Japan was extremely grim for both sides, and was why when Truman was presented with an option to try and avoid it, he took it. At the time, the assessment of an invasion of Japan based on the level of fanatical resistance that was shown at Okinawa (the closest scenario and case study to which to base an invasion of Kyushu) was that it would rack up Allied dead in the hundreds of thousands (estimates range from 300,000 to over a million dead [these may be conservative], with total casualties in the millions), and millions (up to ten million or above, really) of Japanese dead (and far, far more casualties), in addition to nearly destroying the the entirety of the island infrastructure. If such an invasion was attempted, it could very well have met these estimates. The US manufactured 500,000 Purple Hearts in preparation for the invasion for a reason (we still haven't used them all; they're still far into surplus even after Iraq/Afghanistan). In any event, the strategic firebombings of Tokyo and other Japanese cities were far, far more lethal than either bombs. As for war crimes: there's a reason why there remains an underlying anti-Japanese sentiment throughout all of East and Southeast Asia. Unit 731 is abominable by itself, to mention nothing of comfort women. Except some generals where against it because it would not change the outcome and some say that the fact that the Soviet entered the war ended it. Its not like the US haven't done similar acts (not nuclear) at later that to strengthen their world position. The outcome wouldn't change (it was known since Midway, and in reality far before that: the USN simply had a staggering amount of carriers in production at the outbreak, far in advance of whatever the Japanese can produce), but the US and Commonwealth would still most likely have needed to conduct a full-scale invasion of Japan, and the casualty estimates of which were staggeringly high on both sides. You greatly underestimate how deeply Japanese hyper-militarism controlled the government at the time. In any event, the Soviet invasion did not come until Nagasaki (happened slightly earlier on the same day), and by examining the cabinet records, it appears to me that Japan would not have left the war with only a Soviet invasion; it was the twin shock of the Soviet attack on Manchuria combined with Nagasaki that would finally drive the cabinet to comply with surrender; it should also be noted that even with both Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion, the Imperial government still faced the likelihood of a military coup to continue the persecution of the war up until the Emperor was able to get on the air. I'll just point you to this alt-TL for just how dark it could get. http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=296250 Almost as dark as the Anglo-American/Nazi War TL http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=211950 | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 04 2014 12:41 Alzadar wrote: 0-0 run. The mage has only two cards in hand, which he's drawn in the past three turns (no long standing cards). He just played a Murloc Tidehunter when he has Spectral Knight and Azure Drake on the board. I'd still go for the kill. if you lose because its ice block, then whatever, he'd have 2-3 more chances at a killing card either way. he has 3 chances at an auto win pyroblast, (2 in hand and 1 on deck), and if he has frost bolt + ice lance or fireball or 2 fireballs, ect he also can auto win. its probably a duplicate or ice block. When you are at 10 health you lose to mage almost always unless you can kill them immediately, so might as well try to. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On December 04 2014 11:16 Dandel Ion wrote: why are you not purging your browsing information to deny the evil information overlords yet? That will do literally nothing to Google's database on you. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On December 04 2014 12:59 Dandel Ion wrote: well it's not the only step, that's true. Your browser history is stored in your browser. Your browser shouldn't release that information to the websites you visit. Unless you're using Google Chrome, in which case you've already snuggled up to the comforting metallic bosom of Google. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 04 2014 13:15 Alzadar wrote: For the record, I went face and it wasn't Ice Block. that was the correct play. if it wasn't ice block and you cleared, then he had 3 chances to kill you. if it WAS ice block and you cleared he has 4-5 chances to kill you. then add the chance he had fireballs ect. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
GoT Telltale is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally good. | ||
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