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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 27 2014 20:31 GMT
#60741
On September 28 2014 05:29 Scip wrote:
having different name for same things in different games isn't all that confusing.

right. but having specifically that different name, be a specific name from yet another game. is confusing.

Games call it A.
Second game calls something else C
Third game calls A, C.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 20:33:19
September 27 2014 20:31 GMT
#60742
On September 28 2014 05:27 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 05:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
It's really only confusing for people that play Dota and LoL. If you have no knowledge of Dota then orbwalking only ever means stutter stepping. I can see how it could be annoying but it's really a pretty minor thing.
well. really its confusing unless you only play league. in starcraft or warcraft 3 or any game with the same control scheme its stutter stepping. Orbwalking is a term borrowed from a specific game to mean something different in league.

it'd be like calling every time you get hit by a skillshot being "fragged".

Except it's not that confusing because the League community consistently uses the term orbwalking and knows exactly what they mean by it.

Like, I agree the origin is kinda fucked, but the LoL community has just adopted orbwalking to mean stutter stepping and the only people I see complain about it are people that also play Dota, not people that just play LoL.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 20:32:37
September 27 2014 20:31 GMT
#60743
On September 28 2014 05:27 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 05:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
It's really only confusing for people that play Dota and LoL. If you have no knowledge of Dota then orbwalking only ever means stutter stepping. I can see how it could be annoying but it's really a pretty minor thing.
well. really its confusing unless you only play league. in starcraft or warcraft 3 or any game with the same control scheme its stutter stepping. Orbwalking is a term borrowed from a specific game to mean something different in league.

it'd be like calling every time you get hit by a skillshot being "fragged". except worse i guess. because there was already a descriptive easy to understand term that explained the act in stutter stepping.

There's also a descriptive easy to understand term instead of "fragged", it's called "rekt"


also nobody ever says orbwalking that's a term from some shitty game nobody plays
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 27 2014 20:32 GMT
#60744
well, I don't know about "misuse", but it is more confusing when you have a same word for different things in different games
calling it orbwalking in LoL and stutterstepping in SC2 isn't very confusing
orbwalking meaning what it does in LoL and having a somewhat different meaning in Dota can be
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
September 27 2014 20:35 GMT
#60745
like leashing
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 20:38:24
September 27 2014 20:38 GMT
#60746
On September 28 2014 05:31 onlywonderboy wrote:
Like, I agree the origin is kinda fucked, but the LoL community has just adopted orbwalking to mean stutter stepping and the only people I see complain about it are people that also play Dota, not people that just play LoL.

How many people in this category do you think even know that orbwalking originated in dota as something different?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 27 2014 20:40 GMT
#60747
On September 28 2014 05:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 05:31 onlywonderboy wrote:
Like, I agree the origin is kinda fucked, but the LoL community has just adopted orbwalking to mean stutter stepping and the only people I see complain about it are people that also play Dota, not people that just play LoL.

How many people in this category do you think even know that orbwalking originated in dota as something different?

They probably don't and that's exactly why it doesn't matter to them and thus isn't confusing!
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 20:47:16
September 27 2014 20:42 GMT
#60748
And you don't see how that's circular logic?

This isn't confusing, because people who aren't confused by it, aren't confused by it.

Similarly how many people do you think know that Nashor is just Roshan backwards from dota and probably an even smaller group even know that Roshan and thus Nashor was named after a bowling ball? or that person getting a rampage means much different things between dota and league of legends.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 27 2014 20:50 GMT
#60749
It's not circular logic, it's me saying that since it's not confusing to the players that it's totally fine it's been adopted to mean something different in LoL. But clearly you disagree so this debate isn't going anywhere, I'll drop it.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 27 2014 20:50 GMT
#60750
He's just salty nobody gives MUH RESPEC to MUH GAEM

typical dotard
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
September 27 2014 20:57 GMT
#60751
On September 28 2014 05:42 PrinceXizor wrote:
And you don't see how that's circular logic?

This isn't confusing, because people who aren't confused by it, aren't confused by it.

Similarly how many people do you think know that Nashor is just Roshan backwards from dota and probably an even smaller group even know that Roshan and thus Nashor was named after a bowling ball? or that person getting a rampage means much different things between dota and league of legends.

I never noticed Nashor was Roshan backwards. I can never look at League the same ever again.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 20:59:16
September 27 2014 20:58 GMT
#60752
On September 28 2014 05:57 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 05:42 PrinceXizor wrote:
And you don't see how that's circular logic?

This isn't confusing, because people who aren't confused by it, aren't confused by it.

Similarly how many people do you think know that Nashor is just Roshan backwards from dota and probably an even smaller group even know that Roshan and thus Nashor was named after a bowling ball? or that person getting a rampage means much different things between dota and league of legends.

I never noticed Nashor was Roshan backwards. I can never look at League the same ever again.

i mean. its NOT it backward. because the sh isn't reversed technically because its 2 letters and not 1. but it was named as such.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 27 2014 21:01 GMT
#60753
TBH if you're going to use a term that had its meaning corrupted going from DotA to League, try "melee carry".

lol
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Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
September 27 2014 21:03 GMT
#60754
There are melee carries in League? Coulda fooled me...
Steam: rook492
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 27 2014 21:03 GMT
#60755
On September 28 2014 06:01 TheYango wrote:
TBH if you're going to use a term that had its meaning corrupted going from DotA to League, try "melee carry".

lol

This I can support.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 21:16:55
September 27 2014 21:16 GMT
#60756
So, asking from teh perspective of a scrub in LoL who's never played DoTA, whats the differences between a "melee carry" in DoTA vs. a fed Yi/Trynd/Jax whom I'd classify as a melee carry then?

Then again, I've noticed hard carries in DoTA can legit 1v5 carry vs. fed LoL ADC's who still need help from team.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 27 2014 21:16 GMT
#60757
On September 28 2014 06:01 TheYango wrote:
TBH if you're going to use a term that had its meaning corrupted going from DotA to League, try "melee carry".

lol


Can confirm. Atleast when I played DotA years ago, melee carry Heros like Spectre were the tankiest in the game.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 27 2014 21:17 GMT
#60758
On September 28 2014 06:16 sung_moon wrote:
So, asking from teh perspective of a scrub in LoL who's never played DoTA, whats the differences between a "melee carry" in DoTA vs. a fed Yi/Trynd/Jax whom I'd classify as a melee carry then?

Then again, I've noticed hard carries in DoTA can legit 1v5 carry vs. fed LoL ADC's who still need help from team.


Melee carries are bruisers. The league community just has these huge misconceptions around the term melee carry that's warped the term into meaning something else.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 21:22:07
September 27 2014 21:19 GMT
#60759
On September 28 2014 06:16 sung_moon wrote:
So, asking from teh perspective of a scrub in LoL who's never played DoTA, whats the differences between a "melee carry" in DoTA vs. a fed Yi/Trynd/Jax whom I'd classify as a melee carry then?

Then again, I've noticed hard carries in DoTA can legit 1v5 carry vs. fed LoL ADC's who still need help from team.

A lot of people playing LoL associate the concept of melee carry specifically with only glass-cannon 5-damage-item melee DPS heroes (analogous to ranged carries) when in fact such a hero is rare in both games.

The broad concept of melee carry as it exists in DotA applies more generally to the class of heroes typically referred to as "bruisers" in LoL, which is conceptually realistic, and common in both games.

EDIT: Also, the problem with the term "orb-walking" as it's used by the LoL community actually has nothing to do with the term's root in DotA terminology. Rather, it's the fact that the proper term "animation canceling" is still used when referring to cancelling the backswing on spells. So now you have two different terms ("orb-walking" for autoattacks, and "animation canceling" for spells) that refer to the same physical action when there's no real need for the distinction at all.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 21:22:00
September 27 2014 21:21 GMT
#60760
edit: double
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