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[GSL 2024] Code S:S1 - Grand Finals Day!

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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 10 2024 19:23 GMT
#1

GSL Code S


Thursday, Apr 11 8:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)Global StarCraft II League/2024/Season 1

Streams & Casters


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Format

  • Playoffs:
  • Single-elimination bracket.
  • Semifinals matches are Bo5.
  • Finals are Bo7

      Map Pool



Semi Finals


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(P)Stats vs (P)herO

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(T)Cure vs (T)Maru

Results


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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17721 Posts
April 11 2024 03:35 GMT
#2
I guess I'm hoping for Maru > Stats in the final
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4519 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 06:29:12
April 11 2024 06:28 GMT
#3
Really want Stats to win this! Would Stats winning be the 2nd post military royal road?
hi. big fan.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 07:54 GMT
#4
On April 11 2024 15:28 FataLe wrote:
Really want Stats to win this! Would Stats winning be the 2nd post military royal road?

Who was the last royal roader, regardless of military status?

I haven't followed the scene for like a decade, so the last and only SC2 royal roader I remember is Life. And FruitDealer if that even counts.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 08:00:06
April 11 2024 07:59 GMT
#5
On April 11 2024 16:54 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 15:28 FataLe wrote:
Really want Stats to win this! Would Stats winning be the 2nd post military royal road?

Who was the last royal roader, regardless of military status?

I haven't followed the scene for like a decade, so the last and only SC2 royal roader I remember is Life. And FruitDealer if that even counts.


The only actual Royal Roaders that I remember in SC2 are Soulkey in GSL and Maru in OSL.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 08:07 GMT
#6
On April 11 2024 16:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 16:54 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 11 2024 15:28 FataLe wrote:
Really want Stats to win this! Would Stats winning be the 2nd post military royal road?

Who was the last royal roader, regardless of military status?

I haven't followed the scene for like a decade, so the last and only SC2 royal roader I remember is Life. And FruitDealer if that even counts.


The only actual Royal Roaders that I remember in SC2 are Soulkey in GSL and Maru in OSL.

Oh, didn't know Soulkey was one. I know Life did it, and FruitDealer is one by default since he won the first GSL.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 08:09:24
April 11 2024 08:09 GMT
#7
Did u know u can just look it up?

(Wiki)Royal Road
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 08:11:15
April 11 2024 08:09 GMT
#8
On April 11 2024 17:07 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 16:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 11 2024 16:54 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 11 2024 15:28 FataLe wrote:
Really want Stats to win this! Would Stats winning be the 2nd post military royal road?

Who was the last royal roader, regardless of military status?

I haven't followed the scene for like a decade, so the last and only SC2 royal roader I remember is Life. And FruitDealer if that even counts.


The only actual Royal Roaders that I remember in SC2 are Soulkey in GSL and Maru in OSL.

Oh, didn't know Soulkey was one. I know Life did it, and FruitDealer is one by default since he won the first GSL.


Hmm I might be mixing up Soulkey with Life since they both came into the scene around the same time. I just remember the first and I think only GSL royal roader we've had being a Zerg from that period.

Yup yea. Life's run vs Mvp was the first royal road.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 08:19 GMT
#9
On April 11 2024 17:09 Waxangel wrote:
Did u know u can just look it up?

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Royal_Road

I don't know why I didn't think to just check, I'm out of TL-shape.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 08:23 GMT
#10
So many Stalkers and not a single Immortal was built.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 08:23 GMT
#11
Not sure if Stats looking solid or herO looking a bit off.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
April 11 2024 08:29 GMT
#12
winning with 1-base 4 gate...

time is a flat circle
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 08:30 GMT
#13
Why is PvP even a match up?
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 08:45 GMT
#14
Really seems like herO is playing this just like it's a WoL PvP and he's winning.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1375 Posts
April 11 2024 08:52 GMT
#15
On April 11 2024 17:29 Waxangel wrote:
winning with 1-base 4 gate...

time is a flat circle

Start Loop
4 Gate strong
People figure out 4 Gate and/or it gets nerfed
People slowly start using less safe openings and/or stop scouting for 4 Gate
End Loop
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
April 11 2024 08:54 GMT
#16
Pretty much what I expected. Stats is getting better, but it was too soon for this kind of challenge
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 08:54 GMT
#17
Finally TvT o'clock!
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 11:59:24
April 11 2024 08:58 GMT
#18
Poll: Recommend Match 1: Stats vs herO?

If you have time (8)
 
80%

Yes (1)
 
10%

No (1)
 
10%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Match 1: Stats vs herO?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend Match 2: Cure vs Maru?

Yes (16)
 
84%

No (2)
 
11%

If you have time (1)
 
5%

19 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Match 2: Cure vs Maru?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend the Finals?

Yes (14)
 
64%

No (5)
 
23%

If you have time (3)
 
14%

22 total votes

Your vote: Recommend the Finals?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
April 11 2024 08:59 GMT
#19
Stats looked good in the long macro game style but just not quick enough to defend the one-base style from herO.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 09:05:52
April 11 2024 09:05 GMT
#20
Maru is wearing a visible brace on his neck/shoulder. Just how bad is his injury now?
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 09:19 GMT
#21
What a strange army compo for Maru.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
fealx
Profile Joined September 2014
Germany376 Posts
April 11 2024 09:20 GMT
#22
man maru is so cool even if this might not work in the end
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 09:20 GMT
#23
Jesus SC2 is so fast-paced compared to what I remember.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 09:23 GMT
#24
This game is already better than the entirety of Stats vs herO.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 09:23 GMT
#25
On April 11 2024 18:19 KristofferAG wrote:
What a strange army compo for Maru.


Maru stole this strat from Gumiho. Gumiho killed him in a previous GSL using this kind of heavy aggressive Viking style.
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 09:24 GMT
#26
Wait since when could Battlecruisers scoot-n-shoot? I love that.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
April 11 2024 09:26 GMT
#27
First time watching Starcraft in a looong time.

Man, the commentary's still the best of any esport (at least that I watch).
Writermaru pls
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 09:27 GMT
#28
On April 11 2024 18:24 KristofferAG wrote:
Wait since when could Battlecruisers scoot-n-shoot? I love that.


Since LOTV.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
April 11 2024 09:30 GMT
#29
what a peculiar game of desert strike
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
ZAWGURN
Profile Joined July 2018
96 Posts
April 11 2024 09:37 GMT
#30
As a herO fan, I'm rooting for Maru. Even though Cure is overall a weaker player, Cure is herO's Kryptonite, while herO matches up pretty well against Maru.
CJ herO #1 fan.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 09:39 GMT
#31
On April 11 2024 18:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 18:24 KristofferAG wrote:
Wait since when could Battlecruisers scoot-n-shoot? I love that.


Since LOTV.

Huh, guess they've just never been built in the handful of games I've watched since it became a thing.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 09:41 GMT
#32
Maru is so fucking good.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17721 Posts
April 11 2024 09:41 GMT
#33
MARU!
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 09:43 GMT
#34
On April 11 2024 18:39 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 18:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 11 2024 18:24 KristofferAG wrote:
Wait since when could Battlecruisers scoot-n-shoot? I love that.


Since LOTV.

Huh, guess they've just never been built in the handful of games I've watched since it became a thing.


You must have missed the meta where opening Hellion into quick BC was popular vs Zerg. It was popular to semi popular for about a year.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 09:54 GMT
#35
This shift into pure Bio from Cure was really smart.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
ZAWGURN
Profile Joined July 2018
96 Posts
April 11 2024 09:55 GMT
#36
cure is zerging this game. but i don't know how cure can deny the bc's when he hasn't made a single viking.
CJ herO #1 fan.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 09:58 GMT
#37
this game is so good!!!
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1218 Posts
April 11 2024 10:02 GMT
#38
What a game!! Sheesh
~~(,,ºº>
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany985 Posts
April 11 2024 10:02 GMT
#39
Maru is incredible. A lot of good builds for different situations, incredible late game and just unkillable when behind. Given his shape today, I don't think herO will stand any chance.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
April 11 2024 10:02 GMT
#40
What a sick fucking game
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17721 Posts
April 11 2024 10:03 GMT
#41
lol Maru
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa286 Posts
April 11 2024 10:03 GMT
#42
GG Maru.
Absolutely a throw by Cure though. WTF was that.
The time that we kill keeps us alive
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 10:03 GMT
#43
Poll: Recommend Match 2: Cure vs Maru?

Yes (16)
 
84%

No (2)
 
11%

If you have time (1)
 
5%

19 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Match 2: Cure vs Maru?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
fealx
Profile Joined September 2014
Germany376 Posts
April 11 2024 10:03 GMT
#44
he was 80 supply behind in a mirror match up and still won it, this guy is unbelieveable
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
April 11 2024 10:05 GMT
#45
So, are they going to nerf BC next?
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2719 Posts
April 11 2024 10:06 GMT
#46
Damn, Maru's such a god.
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1375 Posts
April 11 2024 10:13 GMT
#47
On April 11 2024 18:24 KristofferAG wrote:
Wait since when could Battlecruisers scoot-n-shoot? I love that.

I've been replaying the WoL campaign and the old Battlecruiser is painful to micro lol.
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Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
466 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 10:22:49
April 11 2024 10:22 GMT
#48
I wish reynor was already in this tournament to make it more exciting :D
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 10:45 GMT
#49
These guys came out swinging. What an exciting game 1 already.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Sorusaba
Profile Joined October 2017
294 Posts
April 11 2024 10:46 GMT
#50
game 1 somewhat standardized after a wild back and forth and a reverted SCV pull, both players showing they're worthy to be in the finals
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 11 2024 10:51 GMT
#51
Crazy game
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 10:54 GMT
#52
I already love these finals.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 11:05 GMT
#53
Maru REALLY has this style figured apparently.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Sorusaba
Profile Joined October 2017
294 Posts
April 11 2024 11:07 GMT
#54
Both games were mad fun, Maru smiling big and having a great time it looks like.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 11 2024 11:22 GMT
#55
would this be Maru's ninth GSL?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 11:23 GMT
#56
On April 11 2024 20:22 Schelim wrote:
would this be Maru's ninth GSL?


8SL
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 11 2024 11:23 GMT
#57
On April 11 2024 20:23 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 20:22 Schelim wrote:
would this be Maru's ninth GSL?


8SL


68L
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7021 Posts
April 11 2024 11:32 GMT
#58
On April 11 2024 20:23 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 20:23 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 11 2024 20:22 Schelim wrote:
would this be Maru's ninth GSL?


8SL


68L


687
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
ZAWGURN
Profile Joined July 2018
96 Posts
April 11 2024 11:50 GMT
#59
being a herO fan is going to take 10 years off of my lifespan with the amount of bad decisions he makes.
CJ herO #1 fan.
KingzTig
Profile Joined February 2024
155 Posts
April 11 2024 11:52 GMT
#60
Damn didn't realise it's final today. I see Maru is doing Maru things again
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4519 Posts
April 11 2024 11:53 GMT
#61
On April 11 2024 20:50 ZAWGURN wrote:
being a herO fan is going to take 10 years off of my lifespan with the amount of bad decisions he makes.

he supply blocked himself, built two pylons and said fk it, ima blink in anyway.
hi. big fan.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 11 2024 11:55 GMT
#62
What is herO even doing?
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17721 Posts
April 11 2024 11:56 GMT
#63
GGs Maru
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 11:58:08
April 11 2024 11:57 GMT
#64
Poll: Recommend Match 1: Stats vs herO?

If you have time (8)
 
80%

Yes (1)
 
10%

No (1)
 
10%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Match 1: Stats vs herO?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend Match 2: Cure vs Maru?

Yes (16)
 
84%

No (2)
 
11%

If you have time (1)
 
5%

19 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Match 2: Cure vs Maru?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend the Finals?

Yes (14)
 
64%

No (5)
 
23%

If you have time (3)
 
14%

22 total votes

Your vote: Recommend the Finals?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
April 11 2024 11:57 GMT
#65
Tesagi gg maru
The Bomber boy
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9754 Posts
April 11 2024 11:57 GMT
#66
Ridiculous again.
Maru too good.
RIP Meatloaf <3
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1218 Posts
April 11 2024 11:58 GMT
#67
For a moment I actually thought the P draught might have ended today. At least great to see RO4 and final representation this time.

Grats to Maru for his 8th and a well played final!
~~(,,ºº>
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
April 11 2024 11:58 GMT
#68
In the immortal words of Arty, " A LITERAL GOD TASTELESS"
very illegal and very uncool
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4519 Posts
April 11 2024 11:58 GMT
#69
Not a good last game. Shame they rotated around each other, Terran is favored in a base trade in at that stage of the game. Not like it would have mattered though. herO was playing really messy by then.

Congrats Maru!
hi. big fan.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
April 11 2024 12:02 GMT
#70
I couldn’t watch more than 1 or 2 games but I am almost disappointed that Maru won. He needs to be on top at Riyadh, not keep collecting GSL trophies. Still, the goat doing goat things I guess, casually destroying every top KR player
WriterMaru
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7021 Posts
April 11 2024 12:03 GMT
#71
Nerves getting to herO? That was just really sloppy paired with suboptimal decisionmaking... Sad Zealot
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
April 11 2024 12:05 GMT
#72
On April 11 2024 21:02 Poopi wrote:
I couldn’t watch more than 1 or 2 games but I am almost disappointed that Maru won. He needs to be on top at Riyadh, not keep collecting GSL trophies. Still, the goat doing goat things I guess, casually destroying every top KR player

I dont think Maru was peaking much here, hes just doing his things and win. To be fair, herO screwed up more than Maru beat him.
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy830 Posts
April 11 2024 12:05 GMT
#73
GG! 4-1 is a harsh score, I thought it would be closer after the first two matches but alas. Was fun anyway
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 11 2024 12:06 GMT
#74
On April 11 2024 21:05 HsDLTitich wrote:
GG! 4-1 is a harsh score, I thought it would be closer after the first two matches but alas. Was fun anyway


Don't let the final score confuse you, the series were really competitive. Maru vs Cure ended in a 3-0 but it was VERY back and forth the entire time.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 11 2024 12:10 GMT
#75
This ending tribute has me a bit teary-eye, I'm not a hard man to emotionally manipulate
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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
April 11 2024 12:12 GMT
#76
On April 11 2024 21:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 21:05 HsDLTitich wrote:
GG! 4-1 is a harsh score, I thought it would be closer after the first two matches but alas. Was fun anyway


Don't let the final score confuse you, the series were really competitive. Maru vs Cure ended in a 3-0 but it was VERY back and forth the entire time.


He sorta build ordered Cure pretty much the entire series by using that Sky Terran so damn effectively.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
April 11 2024 12:14 GMT
#77
On April 11 2024 21:05 tigera6 wrote:
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On April 11 2024 21:02 Poopi wrote:
I couldn’t watch more than 1 or 2 games but I am almost disappointed that Maru won. He needs to be on top at Riyadh, not keep collecting GSL trophies. Still, the goat doing goat things I guess, casually destroying every top KR player

I dont think Maru was peaking much here, hes just doing his things and win. To be fair, herO screwed up more than Maru beat him.

Yeah, but that’s problematic too imo, he needs to come as « weak » Maru for worlds
WriterMaru
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
April 11 2024 12:17 GMT
#78
On April 11 2024 21:14 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 21:05 tigera6 wrote:
On April 11 2024 21:02 Poopi wrote:
I couldn’t watch more than 1 or 2 games but I am almost disappointed that Maru won. He needs to be on top at Riyadh, not keep collecting GSL trophies. Still, the goat doing goat things I guess, casually destroying every top KR player

I dont think Maru was peaking much here, hes just doing his things and win. To be fair, herO screwed up more than Maru beat him.

Yeah, but that’s problematic too imo, he needs to come as « weak » Maru for worlds

We still have ESL Spring, GSL S2 and the China tournament for that, plenty of opportunity
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
April 11 2024 12:35 GMT
#79
What an abysmal play from hero Really shows the current state of GSL sadly.
Why so serious?
lokol4890
Profile Joined May 2023
114 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 12:41:27
April 11 2024 12:39 GMT
#80
On April 11 2024 21:35 kajtarp wrote:
What an abysmal play from hero Really shows the current state of GSL sadly.


Hero got 5-1ed by serral earlier this year at the finals of MC7. Was he playing abysmally back then too and are we linking that loss to the state of the game in general, or do we only make that connection when he loses in gsl?

E: found the name the tournament and the actual scoreline. Updated accordingly
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 11 2024 12:52 GMT
#81
On April 11 2024 21:14 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 21:05 tigera6 wrote:
On April 11 2024 21:02 Poopi wrote:
I couldn’t watch more than 1 or 2 games but I am almost disappointed that Maru won. He needs to be on top at Riyadh, not keep collecting GSL trophies. Still, the goat doing goat things I guess, casually destroying every top KR player

I dont think Maru was peaking much here, hes just doing his things and win. To be fair, herO screwed up more than Maru beat him.

Yeah, but that’s problematic too imo, he needs to come as « weak » Maru for worlds

oh don't worry he'll manage to find a way to be eliminated in the group stage of some tournament by Bly and Erik or something
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Mmakorea
Profile Joined March 2024
16 Posts
April 11 2024 13:29 GMT
#82
Another local trophy for Maru. Have to see if he can finally win something meaningful internationally or else he will never surpass rogue or serral (probably never will)
goldensail
Profile Joined May 2022
132 Posts
April 11 2024 13:50 GMT
#83
On April 11 2024 22:29 Mmakorea wrote:
Another local trophy for Maru. Have to see if he can finally win something meaningful internationally or else he will never surpass rogue or serral (probably never will)


Dreamhacks not "meaningful" enough for you? Let's also not forget for the vast majority of SC2's history Korea represented the highest level of play, so to call it "another local trophy" is clearly the bias in you talking.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
April 11 2024 13:53 GMT
#84
So when Serral or Clem won all those EU title, are those just "local trophy"? Hell, that means Clem has never won anything meaningful until his ESL Winter title last year.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7021 Posts
April 11 2024 14:14 GMT
#85
On April 11 2024 22:53 tigera6 wrote:
So when Serral or Clem won all those EU title, are those just "local trophy"? Hell, that means Clem has never won anything meaningful until his ESL Winter title last year.


Yes. Regional titles are meaningless
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 11 2024 15:28 GMT
#86
One sided matches but almost all very fun games.

A bunch of crazy micro battles in the finals instead of the usual TvP tank pushes/allins deciding everything, and Maru pulling out skyterran builds for the TvT was sick
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
April 11 2024 15:31 GMT
#87
G8L ? OMG He can't stop winning.
:3
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
April 11 2024 15:48 GMT
#88
G9L for the possible final season of GSL? Maru literally beat GSL as a single-player game when we run out of single-digit abbreviations for his accomplishments.
very illegal and very uncool
Mmakorea
Profile Joined March 2024
16 Posts
April 11 2024 15:51 GMT
#89
On April 11 2024 22:50 goldensail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 22:29 Mmakorea wrote:
Another local trophy for Maru. Have to see if he can finally win something meaningful internationally or else he will never surpass rogue or serral (probably never will)


Dreamhacks not "meaningful" enough for you? Let's also not forget for the vast majority of SC2's history Korea represented the highest level of play, so to call it "another local trophy" is clearly the bias in you talking.


Any international tournaments > GSL for the last couple of years.

Sorry to bust your bubbles, but any tournament that has Serral competing is the golden standard, been like that since 2018.

It’s good Maru keep collecting these local trophies, let us know when he wins one world championship. Most of the time , it’s his peers that upsets Serral in these big tournaments, and yet Maru still manage to choke and not win any world championship. Ie when Oliveira dominated Maru
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 15:58:21
April 11 2024 15:56 GMT
#90
On April 12 2024 00:51 Mmakorea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 22:50 goldensail wrote:
On April 11 2024 22:29 Mmakorea wrote:
Another local trophy for Maru. Have to see if he can finally win something meaningful internationally or else he will never surpass rogue or serral (probably never will)


Dreamhacks not "meaningful" enough for you? Let's also not forget for the vast majority of SC2's history Korea represented the highest level of play, so to call it "another local trophy" is clearly the bias in you talking.


Any international tournaments > GSL for the last couple of years.

Sorry to bust your bubbles, but any tournament that has Serral competing is the golden standard, been like that since 2018.

It’s good Maru keep collecting these local trophies, let us know when he wins one world championship. Most of the time , it’s his peers that upsets Serral in these big tournaments, and yet Maru still manage to choke and not win any world championship. Ie when Oliveira dominated Maru

Any KIL during Kespa era > any world championship nowadays, we can go on forever in circles like that

There are only a handful of real contenders in the current scene, Oliveira was a fluke (power of the crowd) but otherwise it’s mostly the same 3 or 4 players, and they have little chance of getting upset by the other players
Whereas back in the days there were dozens or more players capable of upsetting the favorites
WriterMaru
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 16:48:35
April 11 2024 16:48 GMT
#91
On April 12 2024 00:51 Mmakorea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2024 22:50 goldensail wrote:
On April 11 2024 22:29 Mmakorea wrote:
Another local trophy for Maru. Have to see if he can finally win something meaningful internationally or else he will never surpass rogue or serral (probably never will)


Dreamhacks not "meaningful" enough for you? Let's also not forget for the vast majority of SC2's history Korea represented the highest level of play, so to call it "another local trophy" is clearly the bias in you talking.


Any international tournaments > GSL for the last couple of years.

Sorry to bust your bubbles, but any tournament that has Serral competing is the golden standard, been like that since 2018.

International tournaments are the pinnacle of SC2 for the last few years, sure. But not since 2018, Serral was winning finals against Has in 2018. Maru won 5 Starleagues before Serral became the consensus world's best player.

You can also simply look at who they had to beat to judge how 'meaningful' a win is. Serral won Blizzcon taking out sOs, Zest, Rogue, Dark, and Stats for example. Maru went an entire year without losing to any of them in GSL.

He also still won GSL when Reynor, Neeb, and Special (the #2,#3, and #4 foreigners at the time ) where playing in it. GSL has never been region locked, hardly a 'local trophy'
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
April 11 2024 17:40 GMT
#92
Maru wins an 8th GSL
TL uses it as an opportunity to talk about Serral and the status of ESL vs GSL
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
April 11 2024 18:07 GMT
#93
On April 12 2024 02:40 Cricketer12 wrote:
Maru wins an 8th GSL
TL uses it as an opportunity to talk about Serral and the status of ESL vs GSL

To be fair, the guy who started it was a fanboy who think GSL was just a "local trophy".
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3089 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 19:50:33
April 11 2024 19:49 GMT
#94
Even though hero made some flubs, I still always enjoy watching him play. GGs!
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-11 19:53:19
April 11 2024 19:53 GMT
#95
On April 12 2024 02:40 Cricketer12 wrote:
Maru wins an 8th GSL
TL uses it as an opportunity to talk about Serral and the status of ESL vs GSL

Everything is a GOAT discussion.

Maru is the best player in Korea by a solid margin, and has been since Rogue left. I expect G9L unless Reynor reaches peak form again soon (or Dark gets a father buff.)
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4958 Posts
April 11 2024 20:27 GMT
#96
I just catch up the games.... I wanted the fairy tale of Stats winning a GSL after the military, instead I got GOAT vibes from Maru.... he just flows with the game, its not even clever build orders or preparation. He just has an intrinsic understanding of the SC2 engine and he just flows with it.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
April 11 2024 23:40 GMT
#97
Fun finals, some pretty damn good games but alas for us Protoss bros

Btw does anyone know how the Patreon sub works with replays? Can you get older reps or is it a sub for this season get this season kind of deal?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
April 12 2024 00:33 GMT
#98
Maru has lapped the field. 8 GSLs and his closest competitors only have 4. For KILs overall it's even more severe. He has 10 and his closest competitors still only have 4. Just makes it even more crazy that he's one of if not the only top Korean who has never won an event outside of Asia.
goldensail
Profile Joined May 2022
132 Posts
April 12 2024 01:41 GMT
#99
On April 12 2024 09:33 JJH777 wrote:
Maru has lapped the field. 8 GSLs and his closest competitors only have 4. For KILs overall it's even more severe. He has 10 and his closest competitors still only have 4. Just makes it even more crazy that he's one of if not the only top Korean who has never won an event outside of Asia.


To be fair Maru did win a couple of Dreamhacks, KoBs, etc. but yes the lack of a Blizzcon/Kato championship is a crazy outcome - not that two silvers in a row are "bad", it's just that we know how good he is at this game and to his fans anything other than a championship feels like an under achievement.

Hero didn't play well in the last few games of the finals, perhaps he was trying too hard to avoid playing late games vs. Maru and got tilted when things didn't work out.

Cure's 3rd game was another one of those legendary Maru comebacks - despite Cure's stated intention to treat Maru as "just another Terran player" he clearly still has a hard time doing so.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
April 12 2024 01:55 GMT
#100
On April 12 2024 10:41 goldensail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2024 09:33 JJH777 wrote:
Maru has lapped the field. 8 GSLs and his closest competitors only have 4. For KILs overall it's even more severe. He has 10 and his closest competitors still only have 4. Just makes it even more crazy that he's one of if not the only top Korean who has never won an event outside of Asia.


To be fair Maru did win a couple of Dreamhacks, KoBs, etc. but yes the lack of a Blizzcon/Kato championship is a crazy outcome - not that two silvers in a row are "bad", it's just that we know how good he is at this game and to his fans anything other than a championship feels like an under achievement.

Hero didn't play well in the last few games of the finals, perhaps he was trying too hard to avoid playing late games vs. Maru and got tilted when things didn't work out.

Cure's 3rd game was another one of those legendary Maru comebacks - despite Cure's stated intention to treat Maru as "just another Terran player" he clearly still has a hard time doing so.


All the other events Maru won that you're referencing were online unfortunately. He's legitimately only won while in Korea besides WESG which was only a few hours away by plane. I think it's pretty clear his overseas results were initially a poor travel issue combined with occasional bad bracket luck plus only playing in the hardest internationals but gradually became a mindset issue where he is in his own head about his lack of ability to win one.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
April 12 2024 02:25 GMT
#101
Despite the games being fun to watch (Battlecruisers excepted), I can't help but feel disappointed. The winningest GSL player in the world wins another GSL. It's become so routine that you could probably look back to the last four or five GSLs Maru won and see me make the same complaint.

Well, can't blame the guy for winning, it's what he does and what he's supposed to do.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17149 Posts
April 12 2024 07:25 GMT
#102
not 5, not 6, not 7
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
April 12 2024 07:53 GMT
#103
On April 12 2024 11:25 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Despite the games being fun to watch (Battlecruisers excepted), I can't help but feel disappointed. The winningest GSL player in the world wins another GSL. It's become so routine that you could probably look back to the last four or five GSLs Maru won and see me make the same complaint.

Well, can't blame the guy for winning, it's what he does and what he's supposed to do.

I mean, in super smash bros melee, the « GOAT » at the time and one of the gods Armada, actually retired because winning didn’t even make him feel anything anymore. Thankfully for Maru, he still hasn’t won an official world championship, so he can use those easier GSL to practice and has something to look forward to, while taking some $$$ to the bank.

I bet he wouldn’t bother anymore if he won Katowice, which would be a shame for us viewers
WriterMaru
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
April 12 2024 12:00 GMT
#104
On April 12 2024 11:25 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Despite the games being fun to watch (Battlecruisers excepted), I can't help but feel disappointed. The winningest GSL player in the world wins another GSL. It's become so routine that you could probably look back to the last four or five GSLs Maru won and see me make the same complaint.

Well, can't blame the guy for winning, it's what he does and what he's supposed to do.

For me it’s the overall field being a lot thinner and necessitating these format changes too

Still good but not quite the same
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1247 Posts
April 12 2024 14:32 GMT
#105
On April 12 2024 09:33 JJH777 wrote:
Maru has lapped the field. 8 GSLs and his closest competitors only have 4. For KILs overall it's even more severe. He has 10 and his closest competitors still only have 4. Just makes it even more crazy that he's one of if not the only top Korean who has never won an event outside of Asia.


Ironically, should he crown himself World Champion at the EWC...it's still technically a tournament in Asia :D
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
April 12 2024 15:18 GMT
#106
On April 12 2024 23:32 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2024 09:33 JJH777 wrote:
Maru has lapped the field. 8 GSLs and his closest competitors only have 4. For KILs overall it's even more severe. He has 10 and his closest competitors still only have 4. Just makes it even more crazy that he's one of if not the only top Korean who has never won an event outside of Asia.


Ironically, should he crown himself World Champion at the EWC...it's still technically a tournament in Asia :D

Doesn’t matter much if the tournament is in Asia, Europe or US (or Africa) though? The competitive field is what ultimately matters, as well as competitive integrity (lol at the offline tournament in SA with ping, what a joke)
WriterMaru
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1247 Posts
April 12 2024 15:38 GMT
#107
On April 13 2024 00:18 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2024 23:32 Balnazza wrote:
On April 12 2024 09:33 JJH777 wrote:
Maru has lapped the field. 8 GSLs and his closest competitors only have 4. For KILs overall it's even more severe. He has 10 and his closest competitors still only have 4. Just makes it even more crazy that he's one of if not the only top Korean who has never won an event outside of Asia.


Ironically, should he crown himself World Champion at the EWC...it's still technically a tournament in Asia :D

Doesn’t matter much if the tournament is in Asia, Europe or US (or Africa) though? The competitive field is what ultimately matters, as well as competitive integrity (lol at the offline tournament in SA with ping, what a joke)


Does it matter? No, of course not. But it would just be "one of those stories" if hit happens to align that way
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2248 Posts
April 12 2024 19:32 GMT
#108
Can't help but feel disappointed whenever I remember that GSL ro4+finals is on the same day. Really takes away from the finals-feeling and the extensive preparation that goes into each map. Guess we have to be thankful for what we still get but man it really ain't much. Another uninspired Maru win sigh
Cogito, ergo Toss
WickedCestus
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada25 Posts
April 12 2024 21:20 GMT
#109
I quite enjoyed the semifinals, particularly the way the players tried to adapt to each other. It felt like herO looked at how Stats won game one and changed his style completely. Maru brought something really new to his games against Cure, and Cure seemed like he was on the verge of figuring it out, but Maru managed to pull it out with a bit of magic. The micro and positioning Maru displayed in that series was pretty insane.

The first couple sets of the finals were also great, with both players showcasing their skills in micro and decision-making. It definitely felt like herO started to tilt at the end, but that tends to happen when people are down to Maru in GSL finals. It just starts feeling inevitable. I'm not that disappointed with Maru winning GSL again, because he does consistently bring new styles and ideas, and is just an exciting player to watch overall, especially those defensive games when it feels like he's on the edge of dying for minutes on end. I thought this was one of the more exciting seasons of GSL in a while, in terms of the quality of the games.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
April 12 2024 22:01 GMT
#110
On April 13 2024 06:20 WickedCestus wrote:
I quite enjoyed the semifinals, particularly the way the players tried to adapt to each other. It felt like herO looked at how Stats won game one and changed his style completely. Maru brought something really new to his games against Cure, and Cure seemed like he was on the verge of figuring it out, but Maru managed to pull it out with a bit of magic. The micro and positioning Maru displayed in that series was pretty insane.

The first couple sets of the finals were also great, with both players showcasing their skills in micro and decision-making. It definitely felt like herO started to tilt at the end, but that tends to happen when people are down to Maru in GSL finals. It just starts feeling inevitable. I'm not that disappointed with Maru winning GSL again, because he does consistently bring new styles and ideas, and is just an exciting player to watch overall, especially those defensive games when it feels like he's on the edge of dying for minutes on end. I thought this was one of the more exciting seasons of GSL in a while, in terms of the quality of the games.

Yeah it’s a bit weird. Those were some good finals and tighter than the final score would indicate and there were some fantastic skirmishes with both players microing their hearts out. herO was genuinely pretty unlucky in the one set he missed Maru’s move out, while doing a pretty clever infiltration with blink stalkers which Maru also totally missed.

Good season overall too. Protoss had a good showing and thankfully I don’t believe it’s because they’ve been overbuffed. Just enough tweaks via patch and maps to make PvT a little less brutal, and PvZ’s in a decent spot currently. Stats and iirc Classic played very well to emerge from groups and in the former case to advance further, and we all know about herO’s PvZ if it’s called upon.

On the flipside it doesn’t feel that Zergs are disadvantaged in the matchup either, it really strikes me that a combination of who shows up in better form that day, with a better plan, or gets that little bit of luck can win. Miss a move out, or fail to scout that tech building can be the margin, rather than the matchup being favoured innately in either direction.

Thinking back I had a blast this season, but it still felt a bit hollow, I’ve been pondering why. Nothing to do with Maru winning again really now I think of it. All to do with a relative handful of players now I think are capable of beating Maru in a long series. I mean that can happen, peak Flash was rather good.

Stats has really stepped up lately, but honestly I think Maru would have eviscerated him if he’d beat herO. As he did to Classic, I think games would have followed a similar pattern. It’s really only herO’s madcap aggressive style and mixing it up that gives Maru problems in longer PvT series. Of other players in the field, as fantastic as Dark is Maru’s strengths and style generally hard counter him these last couple of years, Shinrags is very good but does anyone see him beating Maru in a Bo7? Etc

But with Flash there was something of a magic in just how good he was, because there was nobody missing from the field. Yeah a bit if ‘oh Flash won again’ but also that ‘holy shit this guy is good’ sense of awe. GSL these days is really plainly missing two players who absolutely can beat Maru, one of whom recently dismantled him and has a very strong H2H against him.

Ah it’s not going to happen, and if rumours are true next season may be the last, but man even if it’s just a last hurrah it’d be fantastic to see a big foreign presence again.

I know Reynor is like confirmed for next season, he’s said other foreigners are seriously considering it but never dropped names (which I agree with otherwise those individuals would be fielding endless questions). Serral can’t because military, even if he wanted to.

If it’s even a couple of foreign big hitters I think it’ll bring a bit of hype back for next GSL season. Reynor on paper is a title contender, Clem too although I think less likely. A Showtime or Heromarine could conceivably go a few rounds, and at worst they’d raise the standard of the Ro16
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WickedCestus
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada25 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-13 04:03:26
April 13 2024 02:38 GMT
#111
You're right about there not being real challengers to Maru. He's won 4 of the last 5 championships, and been in 5 of the last 6 finals. The one where he lost in the first round felt like he barely showed up. The loss of TY and Rogue has definitely hurt the most. They always felt like they could beat anybody, and particularly challenge Maru. Without them, Maru feels a definite head above the competition. It's still exciting to watch him win (and I'm a bit of a fanboy), but I can see why it would turn people off.

If the next season is the last, it's been a damn good run. Here's hoping Reynor (and maybe even a returning Rogue?? though maybe he's not truly Back yet) can make it even more exciting.

I imagine if GSL does end, there's still gotta be an online Korean ESL tournament, right? Prize-pool wise, that would be better for the players, but it would be a shame to lose the icon that is the GSL.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
April 13 2024 04:28 GMT
#112
If ESL can keep going, then GSL will probably continue as well base on crowdfunding support. ESL doesnt have to pay the production cost and prize for KR region so they can save money there.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
April 14 2024 18:54 GMT
#113
Enjoyed the games but I really miss the dynamic of what artosis brought to the broadcast. That's not to say State is a bad caster but I feel like Tasteless and him feed into one another too much and analysis of the games gets lost in the hype.

Cure Maru Game 1 was extremely exciting but the constant Maru praise even when Cure was on the comeback (or identifying HOW he can come back when he's got 2/2 bio and even on air attack vs armor) was rough to listen to, especially in contrast to the ASL cast.

I love Maru but I was sad to see such a cool game get drowned in hype. Congrats to the champ!
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
April 14 2024 21:57 GMT
#114
On April 15 2024 03:54 BluemoonSC wrote:
Enjoyed the games but I really miss the dynamic of what artosis brought to the broadcast. That's not to say State is a bad caster but I feel like Tasteless and him feed into one another too much and analysis of the games gets lost in the hype.

Cure Maru Game 1 was extremely exciting but the constant Maru praise even when Cure was on the comeback (or identifying HOW he can come back when he's got 2/2 bio and even on air attack vs armor) was rough to listen to, especially in contrast to the ASL cast.

I love Maru but I was sad to see such a cool game get drowned in hype. Congrats to the champ!


Putting ANY combination of casters in place of Artosis and Tasteless is going to feel like a downgrade long term. I think State and Tasteless do a good enough job of keeping the cast entertaining, but to say that there's something missing without Artosis being there is pointing out the obvious.
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1247 Posts
April 14 2024 23:41 GMT
#115
On April 13 2024 13:28 tigera6 wrote:
If ESL can keep going, then GSL will probably continue as well base on crowdfunding support. ESL doesnt have to pay the production cost and prize for KR region so they can save money there.


If ESL would have to take over, I kind of assume they would abandon the Korean Region altogether and just include it into APAC. ESL doesn't really feel like they have any interest in the korean market across the board, so I don't see them picking it up just for SC2.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
April 14 2024 23:51 GMT
#116
On April 15 2024 06:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2024 03:54 BluemoonSC wrote:
Enjoyed the games but I really miss the dynamic of what artosis brought to the broadcast. That's not to say State is a bad caster but I feel like Tasteless and him feed into one another too much and analysis of the games gets lost in the hype.

Cure Maru Game 1 was extremely exciting but the constant Maru praise even when Cure was on the comeback (or identifying HOW he can come back when he's got 2/2 bio and even on air attack vs armor) was rough to listen to, especially in contrast to the ASL cast.

I love Maru but I was sad to see such a cool game get drowned in hype. Congrats to the champ!


Putting ANY combination of casters in place of Artosis and Tasteless is going to feel like a downgrade long term. I think State and Tasteless do a good enough job of keeping the cast entertaining, but to say that there's something missing without Artosis being there is pointing out the obvious.

Less so the fact that artosis isnt there and moreso that there is very little analysis occuring in the current casts (which happens to be the void he left). There is so much more to a cast than "wow I can't believe how good Maru is" and "guys I think we're going to see GG any second now"
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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
April 15 2024 00:57 GMT
#117
On April 15 2024 08:51 BluemoonSC wrote:
Less so the fact that artosis isnt there and moreso that there is very little analysis occuring in the current casts (which happens to be the void he left). There is so much more to a cast than "wow I can't believe how good Maru is" and "guys I think we're going to see GG any second now"

Some analysis would be great, because when my untrained eyes watch those games and I see Hero doing all kinds of cool, technical micro stuff only to still lose to what looks like (yes I know it probably isn't) Terran A-move really puts a damper on things.

I guess Flash sort of had a similar inevitability to him too, is it just godly macro? I feel like I must be missing something.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
April 15 2024 01:45 GMT
#118
On April 15 2024 08:51 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2024 06:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 15 2024 03:54 BluemoonSC wrote:
Enjoyed the games but I really miss the dynamic of what artosis brought to the broadcast. That's not to say State is a bad caster but I feel like Tasteless and him feed into one another too much and analysis of the games gets lost in the hype.

Cure Maru Game 1 was extremely exciting but the constant Maru praise even when Cure was on the comeback (or identifying HOW he can come back when he's got 2/2 bio and even on air attack vs armor) was rough to listen to, especially in contrast to the ASL cast.

I love Maru but I was sad to see such a cool game get drowned in hype. Congrats to the champ!


Putting ANY combination of casters in place of Artosis and Tasteless is going to feel like a downgrade long term. I think State and Tasteless do a good enough job of keeping the cast entertaining, but to say that there's something missing without Artosis being there is pointing out the obvious.

Less so the fact that artosis isnt there and moreso that there is very little analysis occuring in the current casts (which happens to be the void he left). There is so much more to a cast than "wow I can't believe how good Maru is" and "guys I think we're going to see GG any second now"

State brings it in spades when there’s a Protoss involved and especially in PvP to be fair.

It’s like he brings better analysis than Artosis in terms of specifics and depth in that scenario, but then does a fair bit less in other matchups. Why that is I dunno but that’s a pattern I think is there, although I also must stress I think he’s doing a good job.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-15 02:32:32
April 15 2024 02:30 GMT
#119
On April 15 2024 10:45 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2024 08:51 BluemoonSC wrote:
On April 15 2024 06:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 15 2024 03:54 BluemoonSC wrote:
Enjoyed the games but I really miss the dynamic of what artosis brought to the broadcast. That's not to say State is a bad caster but I feel like Tasteless and him feed into one another too much and analysis of the games gets lost in the hype.

Cure Maru Game 1 was extremely exciting but the constant Maru praise even when Cure was on the comeback (or identifying HOW he can come back when he's got 2/2 bio and even on air attack vs armor) was rough to listen to, especially in contrast to the ASL cast.

I love Maru but I was sad to see such a cool game get drowned in hype. Congrats to the champ!


Putting ANY combination of casters in place of Artosis and Tasteless is going to feel like a downgrade long term. I think State and Tasteless do a good enough job of keeping the cast entertaining, but to say that there's something missing without Artosis being there is pointing out the obvious.

Less so the fact that artosis isnt there and moreso that there is very little analysis occuring in the current casts (which happens to be the void he left). There is so much more to a cast than "wow I can't believe how good Maru is" and "guys I think we're going to see GG any second now"

State brings it in spades when there’s a Protoss involved and especially in PvP to be fair.

It’s like he brings better analysis than Artosis in terms of specifics and depth in that scenario, but then does a fair bit less in other matchups. Why that is I dunno but that’s a pattern I think is there, although I also must stress I think he’s doing a good job.


State doesn't play the other races, that much is obvious to me. He's a Protoss player through and through and when Protoss is involved his increased enthusiasm as well as his game knowledge and confidence in articulating that game knowledge all get raised in very noticeable ways.

Artosis is a different kind of caster. While he played Protoss in SC2 and Terran in Brood War I believe he gets nearly all of his game knowledge from dilligently studying pro matches. He watches tournaments he isn't casting (which is something Tasteless notably doesn't do) and is very good at being able to analyze the patterns he sees from watching a lot of games, and due to his long career there's few people I can think of that have probably watched as much as Starcraft 2 as he has.

I don't know if State will be able to apply the same kind of tactical thinking he uses when casting Protoss with the other races simply because I think he draws so much from his own playing experience in his commentary. It's possible that he can grow as a caster this way either by doing more playing of Terran and Zerg or learning to analyze game footage the way Artosis does.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
April 15 2024 06:47 GMT
#120
On April 15 2024 10:45 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2024 08:51 BluemoonSC wrote:
On April 15 2024 06:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 15 2024 03:54 BluemoonSC wrote:
Enjoyed the games but I really miss the dynamic of what artosis brought to the broadcast. That's not to say State is a bad caster but I feel like Tasteless and him feed into one another too much and analysis of the games gets lost in the hype.

Cure Maru Game 1 was extremely exciting but the constant Maru praise even when Cure was on the comeback (or identifying HOW he can come back when he's got 2/2 bio and even on air attack vs armor) was rough to listen to, especially in contrast to the ASL cast.

I love Maru but I was sad to see such a cool game get drowned in hype. Congrats to the champ!


Putting ANY combination of casters in place of Artosis and Tasteless is going to feel like a downgrade long term. I think State and Tasteless do a good enough job of keeping the cast entertaining, but to say that there's something missing without Artosis being there is pointing out the obvious.

Less so the fact that artosis isnt there and moreso that there is very little analysis occuring in the current casts (which happens to be the void he left). There is so much more to a cast than "wow I can't believe how good Maru is" and "guys I think we're going to see GG any second now"

State brings it in spades when there’s a Protoss involved and especially in PvP to be fair.

It’s like he brings better analysis than Artosis in terms of specifics and depth in that scenario, but then does a fair bit less in other matchups. Why that is I dunno but that’s a pattern I think is there, although I also must stress I think he’s doing a good job.

IMO him and tasteless take turns on play by play a little too frequently without zooming out to look at the bigger picture. Can't have two of those in a broadcast, the color commentary should compliment the play by play and vice versa. State is doing a good job but their dynamic has a lot of room for growth.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
April 15 2024 07:30 GMT
#121
Agree with both of the above, he’s doing a good job but they’re big boots to fill. Not just Artosis, who really is a very good caster indeed. But also the dynamic that really elevates Tastosis in many eyes.

I’d hesitate to say Artosis is underrated, that would be a bit daft but I do think his abilities as an individual caster are pretty unsung sometimes, like he’s viewed as one half of the magical Tastosis archon rather than very good in his own right. He’s dovetailed with many a caster very well.

Come to think of it, when Tasteless was out for a bit and Arty was rotating with co-casters, some of those were very good. In fact I loved all of them from memory, Artosis can seemingly cast with anyone and Special’s non-biased Terran casting was especially fun. I actually feel State maybe dovetailed better with Arty in past casts, where he’d more do the play by play, Tosis would do the more general analysis and then State would add an extra layer of Protoss insight that was above what Artosis could bring if Protoss were involved.

It’ll come I think it’s just them figuring how to split roles a bit, and as I stress I think State’s doing grand. State with Gemini was also a fun cast

Hopefully they’ve more than one more GSL to work with!
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goldensail
Profile Joined May 2022
132 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-15 12:21:42
April 15 2024 12:19 GMT
#122
On April 15 2024 09:57 Turbovolver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2024 08:51 BluemoonSC wrote:
Less so the fact that artosis isnt there and moreso that there is very little analysis occuring in the current casts (which happens to be the void he left). There is so much more to a cast than "wow I can't believe how good Maru is" and "guys I think we're going to see GG any second now"

Some analysis would be great, because when my untrained eyes watch those games and I see Hero doing all kinds of cool, technical micro stuff only to still lose to what looks like (yes I know it probably isn't) Terran A-move really puts a damper on things.

I guess Flash sort of had a similar inevitability to him too, is it just godly macro? I feel like I must be missing something.


LOL you are probably the first person who's said Terran, and of all Terrans Maru, "A-move".

For every stalker blink and Colossus pickup, Maru is stutter stepping marines, picking up cyclones, flanking with ghosts, splitting to avoid disruptor shots...

Historically Maru has had the upper hand vs. herO, although herO can certainly put up good fights e.g. 2022 GSL S2 grand final, and just this season's group stage fight between the two.

IMO, herO lost because:
1. His early game attacks bounced off a well prepared Maru, and when things didn't go according to plan, it seems herO felt forced to double down into worse and worse gambles (e.g. blinknig into well defended positions)
2. herO often did not have sufficient AoE damage, unlike in the group stage games when he used storms very effectively.
3. herO felt tilted in the last couple of games e.g. in game 5 losing like 20 probes to that one liberator

In contrast, Maru played quite well, except in game 1 where he threw away a lead. Maru's ability to macro while microing is one of the best, if not the best, in the business. If an opponent doesn't deal strong AoE damage or back stab very effectively, he will just win.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
April 16 2024 06:56 GMT
#123
On April 15 2024 16:30 WombaT wrote:
Agree with both of the above, he’s doing a good job but they’re big boots to fill. Not just Artosis, who really is a very good caster indeed. But also the dynamic that really elevates Tastosis in many eyes.

I’d hesitate to say Artosis is underrated, that would be a bit daft but I do think his abilities as an individual caster are pretty unsung sometimes, like he’s viewed as one half of the magical Tastosis archon rather than very good in his own right. He’s dovetailed with many a caster very well.

Come to think of it, when Tasteless was out for a bit and Arty was rotating with co-casters, some of those were very good. In fact I loved all of them from memory, Artosis can seemingly cast with anyone and Special’s non-biased Terran casting was especially fun. I actually feel State maybe dovetailed better with Arty in past casts, where he’d more do the play by play, Tosis would do the more general analysis and then State would add an extra layer of Protoss insight that was above what Artosis could bring if Protoss were involved.

It’ll come I think it’s just them figuring how to split roles a bit, and as I stress I think State’s doing grand. State with Gemini was also a fun cast

Hopefully they’ve more than one more GSL to work with!

IMO it's because Artosis is more adept at play by play, while Tasteless really shines in play by play and entertaining, but not in analysis to the same degree that artosis is at play by play, if that makes sense?

Worth noting I watch a lot of artosis' solo casting, so maybe I'm just used to how much analysis is possible in a game while still being able to cover play by play by himself.

They're all fantastic casters in their own right but good commentary requires a bit of yin and yang with respect to strengths in the cast.
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