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[GSL 2024] Code S:S1 - Grand Finals Day!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
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Die4Ever
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FataLe
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
On April 11 2024 15:28 FataLe wrote: Really want Stats to win this! Would Stats winning be the 2nd post military royal road? Who was the last royal roader, regardless of military status? I haven't followed the scene for like a decade, so the last and only SC2 royal roader I remember is Life. And FruitDealer if that even counts. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On April 11 2024 16:54 KristofferAG wrote: Who was the last royal roader, regardless of military status? I haven't followed the scene for like a decade, so the last and only SC2 royal roader I remember is Life. And FruitDealer if that even counts. The only actual Royal Roaders that I remember in SC2 are Soulkey in GSL and Maru in OSL. | ||
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
On April 11 2024 16:59 Vindicare605 wrote: The only actual Royal Roaders that I remember in SC2 are Soulkey in GSL and Maru in OSL. Oh, didn't know Soulkey was one. I know Life did it, and FruitDealer is one by default since he won the first GSL. | ||
Waxangel
United States33160 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On April 11 2024 17:07 KristofferAG wrote: Oh, didn't know Soulkey was one. I know Life did it, and FruitDealer is one by default since he won the first GSL. Hmm I might be mixing up Soulkey with Life since they both came into the scene around the same time. I just remember the first and I think only GSL royal roader we've had being a Zerg from that period. Yup yea. Life's run vs Mvp was the first royal road. | ||
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
On April 11 2024 17:09 Waxangel wrote: Did u know u can just look it up? https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Royal_Road I don't know why I didn't think to just check, I'm out of TL-shape. | ||
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Vindicare605
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KristofferAG
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Waxangel
United States33160 Posts
time is a flat circle | ||
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Vindicare605
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Vindicare605
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MJG
United Kingdom813 Posts
On April 11 2024 17:29 Waxangel wrote: winning with 1-base 4 gate... time is a flat circle Start Loop | ||
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Waxangel
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KristofferAG
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
Poll: Recommend Match 1: Stats vs herO? If you have time (8) Yes (1) No (1) 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Match 1: Stats vs herO? Poll: Recommend Match 2: Cure vs Maru? Yes (16) No (2) If you have time (1) 19 total votes Your vote: Recommend Match 2: Cure vs Maru? Poll: Recommend the Finals? Yes (14) No (5) If you have time (3) 22 total votes Your vote: Recommend the Finals? | ||
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tigera6
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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fealx
Germany376 Posts
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KristofferAG
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Vindicare605
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On April 11 2024 18:19 KristofferAG wrote: What a strange army compo for Maru. Maru stole this strat from Gumiho. Gumiho killed him in a previous GSL using this kind of heavy aggressive Viking style. | ||
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
Man, the commentary's still the best of any esport (at least that I watch). | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On April 11 2024 18:24 KristofferAG wrote: Wait since when could Battlecruisers scoot-n-shoot? I love that. Since LOTV. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33160 Posts
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ZAWGURN
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
Huh, guess they've just never been built in the handful of games I've watched since it became a thing. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On April 11 2024 18:39 KristofferAG wrote: Huh, guess they've just never been built in the handful of games I've watched since it became a thing. You must have missed the meta where opening Hellion into quick BC was popular vs Zerg. It was popular to semi popular for about a year. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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ZAWGURN
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Vindicare605
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-KG-
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nimbim
Germany983 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3414 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
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Ciaus237
South Africa258 Posts
Absolutely a throw by Cure though. WTF was that. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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fealx
Germany376 Posts
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tigera6
3219 Posts
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Terrorbladder
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MJG
United Kingdom813 Posts
On April 11 2024 18:24 KristofferAG wrote: Wait since when could Battlecruisers scoot-n-shoot? I love that. I've been replaying the WoL campaign and the old Battlecruiser is painful to micro lol. | ||
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Comedy
453 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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Sorusaba
272 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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KristofferAG
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Vindicare605
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Sorusaba
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On April 11 2024 20:22 Schelim wrote: would this be Maru's ninth GSL? 8SL | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
68L | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6793 Posts
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ZAWGURN
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KingzTig
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FataLe
New Zealand4492 Posts
On April 11 2024 20:50 ZAWGURN wrote: being a herO fan is going to take 10 years off of my lifespan with the amount of bad decisions he makes. he supply blocked himself, built two pylons and said fk it, ima blink in anyway. | ||
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KristofferAG
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
Poll: Recommend Match 1: Stats vs herO? If you have time (8) Yes (1) No (1) 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Match 1: Stats vs herO? Poll: Recommend Match 2: Cure vs Maru? Yes (16) No (2) If you have time (1) 19 total votes Your vote: Recommend Match 2: Cure vs Maru? Poll: Recommend the Finals? Yes (14) No (5) If you have time (3) 22 total votes Your vote: Recommend the Finals? | ||
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Wintex
Norway16836 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9444 Posts
Maru too good. | ||
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-KG-
Denmark1204 Posts
Grats to Maru for his 8th and a well played final! | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2704 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4492 Posts
Congrats Maru! | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6793 Posts
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On April 11 2024 21:02 Poopi wrote: I couldn’t watch more than 1 or 2 games but I am almost disappointed that Maru won. He needs to be on top at Riyadh, not keep collecting GSL trophies. Still, the goat doing goat things I guess, casually destroying every top KR player I dont think Maru was peaking much here, hes just doing his things and win. To be fair, herO screwed up more than Maru beat him. | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy826 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On April 11 2024 21:05 HsDLTitich wrote: GG! 4-1 is a harsh score, I thought it would be closer after the first two matches but alas. Was fun anyway Don't let the final score confuse you, the series were really competitive. Maru vs Cure ended in a 3-0 but it was VERY back and forth the entire time. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On April 11 2024 21:06 Vindicare605 wrote: Don't let the final score confuse you, the series were really competitive. Maru vs Cure ended in a 3-0 but it was VERY back and forth the entire time. He sorta build ordered Cure pretty much the entire series by using that Sky Terran so damn effectively. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On April 11 2024 21:05 tigera6 wrote: I dont think Maru was peaking much here, hes just doing his things and win. To be fair, herO screwed up more than Maru beat him. Yeah, but that’s problematic too imo, he needs to come as « weak » Maru for worlds | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On April 11 2024 21:14 Poopi wrote: Yeah, but that’s problematic too imo, he needs to come as « weak » Maru for worlds We still have ESL Spring, GSL S2 and the China tournament for that, plenty of opportunity  | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary462 Posts
Really shows the current state of GSL sadly. | ||
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lokol4890
102 Posts
On April 11 2024 21:35 kajtarp wrote: What an abysmal play from hero Really shows the current state of GSL sadly. Hero got 5-1ed by serral earlier this year at the finals of MC7. Was he playing abysmally back then too and are we linking that loss to the state of the game in general, or do we only make that connection when he loses in gsl? E: found the name the tournament and the actual scoreline. Updated accordingly | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On April 11 2024 21:14 Poopi wrote: Yeah, but that’s problematic too imo, he needs to come as « weak » Maru for worlds oh don't worry he'll manage to find a way to be eliminated in the group stage of some tournament by Bly and Erik or something | ||
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Mmakorea
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goldensail
132 Posts
On April 11 2024 22:29 Mmakorea wrote: Another local trophy for Maru. Have to see if he can finally win something meaningful internationally or else he will never surpass rogue or serral (probably never will) Dreamhacks not "meaningful" enough for you? Let's also not forget for the vast majority of SC2's history Korea represented the highest level of play, so to call it "another local trophy" is clearly the bias in you talking. | ||
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tigera6
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Harris1st
Germany6793 Posts
On April 11 2024 22:53 tigera6 wrote: So when Serral or Clem won all those EU title, are those just "local trophy"? Hell, that means Clem has never won anything meaningful until his ESL Winter title last year. Yes. Regional titles are meaningless | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
A bunch of crazy micro battles in the finals instead of the usual TvP tank pushes/allins deciding everything, and Maru pulling out skyterran builds for the TvT was sick | ||
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Starecat
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argonautdice
Canada2704 Posts
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Mmakorea
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On April 11 2024 22:50 goldensail wrote: Dreamhacks not "meaningful" enough for you? Let's also not forget for the vast majority of SC2's history Korea represented the highest level of play, so to call it "another local trophy" is clearly the bias in you talking. Any international tournaments > GSL for the last couple of years. Sorry to bust your bubbles, but any tournament that has Serral competing is the golden standard, been like that since 2018. It’s good Maru keep collecting these local trophies, let us know when he wins one world championship. Most of the time , it’s his peers that upsets Serral in these big tournaments, and yet Maru still manage to choke and not win any world championship. Ie when Oliveira dominated Maru | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On April 12 2024 00:51 Mmakorea wrote: Any international tournaments > GSL for the last couple of years. Sorry to bust your bubbles, but any tournament that has Serral competing is the golden standard, been like that since 2018. It’s good Maru keep collecting these local trophies, let us know when he wins one world championship. Most of the time , it’s his peers that upsets Serral in these big tournaments, and yet Maru still manage to choke and not win any world championship. Ie when Oliveira dominated Maru Any KIL during Kespa era > any world championship nowadays, we can go on forever in circles like that  There are only a handful of real contenders in the current scene, Oliveira was a fluke (power of the crowd) but otherwise it’s mostly the same 3 or 4 players, and they have little chance of getting upset by the other players Whereas back in the days there were dozens or more players capable of upsetting the favorites | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 12 2024 00:51 Mmakorea wrote: Any international tournaments > GSL for the last couple of years. Sorry to bust your bubbles, but any tournament that has Serral competing is the golden standard, been like that since 2018. International tournaments are the pinnacle of SC2 for the last few years, sure. But not since 2018, Serral was winning finals against Has in 2018. Maru won 5 Starleagues before Serral became the consensus world's best player. You can also simply look at who they had to beat to judge how 'meaningful' a win is. Serral won Blizzcon taking out sOs, Zest, Rogue, Dark, and Stats for example. Maru went an entire year without losing to any of them in GSL. He also still won GSL when Reynor, Neeb, and Special (the #2,#3, and #4 foreigners at the time ) where playing in it. GSL has never been region locked, hardly a 'local trophy' | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13963 Posts
TL uses it as an opportunity to talk about Serral and the status of ESL vs GSL | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On April 12 2024 02:40 Cricketer12 wrote: Maru wins an 8th GSL TL uses it as an opportunity to talk about Serral and the status of ESL vs GSL To be fair, the guy who started it was a fanboy who think GSL was just a "local trophy". | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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dysenterymd
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On April 12 2024 02:40 Cricketer12 wrote: Maru wins an 8th GSL TL uses it as an opportunity to talk about Serral and the status of ESL vs GSL Everything is a GOAT discussion. Maru is the best player in Korea by a solid margin, and has been since Rogue left. I expect G9L unless Reynor reaches peak form again soon (or Dark gets a father buff.) | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24261 Posts
Btw does anyone know how the Patreon sub works with replays? Can you get older reps or is it a sub for this season get this season kind of deal? | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
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goldensail
132 Posts
On April 12 2024 09:33 JJH777 wrote: Maru has lapped the field. 8 GSLs and his closest competitors only have 4. For KILs overall it's even more severe. He has 10 and his closest competitors still only have 4. Just makes it even more crazy that he's one of if not the only top Korean who has never won an event outside of Asia. To be fair Maru did win a couple of Dreamhacks, KoBs, etc. but yes the lack of a Blizzcon/Kato championship is a crazy outcome - not that two silvers in a row are "bad", it's just that we know how good he is at this game and to his fans anything other than a championship feels like an under achievement. Hero didn't play well in the last few games of the finals, perhaps he was trying too hard to avoid playing late games vs. Maru and got tilted when things didn't work out. Cure's 3rd game was another one of those legendary Maru comebacks - despite Cure's stated intention to treat Maru as "just another Terran player" he clearly still has a hard time doing so. | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On April 12 2024 10:41 goldensail wrote: To be fair Maru did win a couple of Dreamhacks, KoBs, etc. but yes the lack of a Blizzcon/Kato championship is a crazy outcome - not that two silvers in a row are "bad", it's just that we know how good he is at this game and to his fans anything other than a championship feels like an under achievement. Hero didn't play well in the last few games of the finals, perhaps he was trying too hard to avoid playing late games vs. Maru and got tilted when things didn't work out. Cure's 3rd game was another one of those legendary Maru comebacks - despite Cure's stated intention to treat Maru as "just another Terran player" he clearly still has a hard time doing so. All the other events Maru won that you're referencing were online unfortunately. He's legitimately only won while in Korea besides WESG which was only a few hours away by plane. I think it's pretty clear his overseas results were initially a poor travel issue combined with occasional bad bracket luck plus only playing in the hardest internationals but gradually became a mindset issue where he is in his own head about his lack of ability to win one. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
Well, can't blame the guy for winning, it's what he does and what he's supposed to do. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16595 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On April 12 2024 11:25 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Despite the games being fun to watch (Battlecruisers excepted), I can't help but feel disappointed. The winningest GSL player in the world wins another GSL. It's become so routine that you could probably look back to the last four or five GSLs Maru won and see me make the same complaint. Well, can't blame the guy for winning, it's what he does and what he's supposed to do. I mean, in super smash bros melee, the « GOAT » at the time and one of the gods Armada, actually retired because winning didn’t even make him feel anything anymore. Thankfully for Maru, he still hasn’t won an official world championship, so he can use those easier GSL to practice and has something to look forward to, while taking some $$$ to the bank. I bet he wouldn’t bother anymore if he won Katowice, which would be a shame for us viewers | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24261 Posts
On April 12 2024 11:25 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Despite the games being fun to watch (Battlecruisers excepted), I can't help but feel disappointed. The winningest GSL player in the world wins another GSL. It's become so routine that you could probably look back to the last four or five GSLs Maru won and see me make the same complaint. Well, can't blame the guy for winning, it's what he does and what he's supposed to do. For me it’s the overall field being a lot thinner and necessitating these format changes too Still good but not quite the same | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1097 Posts
On April 12 2024 09:33 JJH777 wrote: Maru has lapped the field. 8 GSLs and his closest competitors only have 4. For KILs overall it's even more severe. He has 10 and his closest competitors still only have 4. Just makes it even more crazy that he's one of if not the only top Korean who has never won an event outside of Asia. Ironically, should he crown himself World Champion at the EWC...it's still technically a tournament in Asia :D | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On April 12 2024 23:32 Balnazza wrote: Ironically, should he crown himself World Champion at the EWC...it's still technically a tournament in Asia :D Doesn’t matter much if the tournament is in Asia, Europe or US (or Africa) though? The competitive field is what ultimately matters, as well as competitive integrity (lol at the offline tournament in SA with ping, what a joke) | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1097 Posts
On April 13 2024 00:18 Poopi wrote: Doesn’t matter much if the tournament is in Asia, Europe or US (or Africa) though? The competitive field is what ultimately matters, as well as competitive integrity (lol at the offline tournament in SA with ping, what a joke) Does it matter? No, of course not. But it would just be "one of those stories" if hit happens to align that way | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2189 Posts
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WickedCestus
Canada25 Posts
The first couple sets of the finals were also great, with both players showcasing their skills in micro and decision-making. It definitely felt like herO started to tilt at the end, but that tends to happen when people are down to Maru in GSL finals. It just starts feeling inevitable. I'm not that disappointed with Maru winning GSL again, because he does consistently bring new styles and ideas, and is just an exciting player to watch overall, especially those defensive games when it feels like he's on the edge of dying for minutes on end. I thought this was one of the more exciting seasons of GSL in a while, in terms of the quality of the games. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24261 Posts
On April 13 2024 06:20 WickedCestus wrote: I quite enjoyed the semifinals, particularly the way the players tried to adapt to each other. It felt like herO looked at how Stats won game one and changed his style completely. Maru brought something really new to his games against Cure, and Cure seemed like he was on the verge of figuring it out, but Maru managed to pull it out with a bit of magic. The micro and positioning Maru displayed in that series was pretty insane. The first couple sets of the finals were also great, with both players showcasing their skills in micro and decision-making. It definitely felt like herO started to tilt at the end, but that tends to happen when people are down to Maru in GSL finals. It just starts feeling inevitable. I'm not that disappointed with Maru winning GSL again, because he does consistently bring new styles and ideas, and is just an exciting player to watch overall, especially those defensive games when it feels like he's on the edge of dying for minutes on end. I thought this was one of the more exciting seasons of GSL in a while, in terms of the quality of the games. Yeah it’s a bit weird. Those were some good finals and tighter than the final score would indicate and there were some fantastic skirmishes with both players microing their hearts out. herO was genuinely pretty unlucky in the one set he missed Maru’s move out, while doing a pretty clever infiltration with blink stalkers which Maru also totally missed. Good season overall too. Protoss had a good showing and thankfully I don’t believe it’s because they’ve been overbuffed. Just enough tweaks via patch and maps to make PvT a little less brutal, and PvZ’s in a decent spot currently. Stats and iirc Classic played very well to emerge from groups and in the former case to advance further, and we all know about herO’s PvZ if it’s called upon. On the flipside it doesn’t feel that Zergs are disadvantaged in the matchup either, it really strikes me that a combination of who shows up in better form that day, with a better plan, or gets that little bit of luck can win. Miss a move out, or fail to scout that tech building can be the margin, rather than the matchup being favoured innately in either direction. Thinking back I had a blast this season, but it still felt a bit hollow, I’ve been pondering why. Nothing to do with Maru winning again really now I think of it. All to do with a relative handful of players now I think are capable of beating Maru in a long series. I mean that can happen, peak Flash was rather good. Stats has really stepped up lately, but honestly I think Maru would have eviscerated him if he’d beat herO. As he did to Classic, I think games would have followed a similar pattern. It’s really only herO’s madcap aggressive style and mixing it up that gives Maru problems in longer PvT series. Of other players in the field, as fantastic as Dark is Maru’s strengths and style generally hard counter him these last couple of years, Shinrags is very good but does anyone see him beating Maru in a Bo7? Etc But with Flash there was something of a magic in just how good he was, because there was nobody missing from the field. Yeah a bit if ‘oh Flash won again’ but also that ‘holy shit this guy is good’ sense of awe. GSL these days is really plainly missing two players who absolutely can beat Maru, one of whom recently dismantled him and has a very strong H2H against him. Ah it’s not going to happen, and if rumours are true next season may be the last, but man even if it’s just a last hurrah it’d be fantastic to see a big foreign presence again. I know Reynor is like confirmed for next season, he’s said other foreigners are seriously considering it but never dropped names (which I agree with otherwise those individuals would be fielding endless questions). Serral can’t because military, even if he wanted to. If it’s even a couple of foreign big hitters I think it’ll bring a bit of hype back for next GSL season. Reynor on paper is a title contender, Clem too although I think less likely. A Showtime or Heromarine could conceivably go a few rounds, and at worst they’d raise the standard of the Ro16 | ||
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WickedCestus
Canada25 Posts
If the next season is the last, it's been a damn good run. Here's hoping Reynor (and maybe even a returning Rogue?? though maybe he's not truly Back yet) can make it even more exciting. I imagine if GSL does end, there's still gotta be an online Korean ESL tournament, right? Prize-pool wise, that would be better for the players, but it would be a shame to lose the icon that is the GSL. | ||
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tigera6
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
Cure Maru Game 1 was extremely exciting but the constant Maru praise even when Cure was on the comeback (or identifying HOW he can come back when he's got 2/2 bio and even on air attack vs armor) was rough to listen to, especially in contrast to the ASL cast. I love Maru but I was sad to see such a cool game get drowned in hype. Congrats to the champ! | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On April 15 2024 03:54 BluemoonSC wrote: Enjoyed the games but I really miss the dynamic of what artosis brought to the broadcast. That's not to say State is a bad caster but I feel like Tasteless and him feed into one another too much and analysis of the games gets lost in the hype. Cure Maru Game 1 was extremely exciting but the constant Maru praise even when Cure was on the comeback (or identifying HOW he can come back when he's got 2/2 bio and even on air attack vs armor) was rough to listen to, especially in contrast to the ASL cast. I love Maru but I was sad to see such a cool game get drowned in hype. Congrats to the champ! Putting ANY combination of casters in place of Artosis and Tasteless is going to feel like a downgrade long term. I think State and Tasteless do a good enough job of keeping the cast entertaining, but to say that there's something missing without Artosis being there is pointing out the obvious. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1097 Posts
On April 13 2024 13:28 tigera6 wrote: If ESL can keep going, then GSL will probably continue as well base on crowdfunding support. ESL doesnt have to pay the production cost and prize for KR region so they can save money there. If ESL would have to take over, I kind of assume they would abandon the Korean Region altogether and just include it into APAC. ESL doesn't really feel like they have any interest in the korean market across the board, so I don't see them picking it up just for SC2. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
On April 15 2024 06:57 Vindicare605 wrote: Putting ANY combination of casters in place of Artosis and Tasteless is going to feel like a downgrade long term. I think State and Tasteless do a good enough job of keeping the cast entertaining, but to say that there's something missing without Artosis being there is pointing out the obvious. Less so the fact that artosis isnt there and moreso that there is very little analysis occuring in the current casts (which happens to be the void he left). There is so much more to a cast than "wow I can't believe how good Maru is" and "guys I think we're going to see GG any second now" | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2384 Posts
On April 15 2024 08:51 BluemoonSC wrote: Less so the fact that artosis isnt there and moreso that there is very little analysis occuring in the current casts (which happens to be the void he left). There is so much more to a cast than "wow I can't believe how good Maru is" and "guys I think we're going to see GG any second now" Some analysis would be great, because when my untrained eyes watch those games and I see Hero doing all kinds of cool, technical micro stuff only to still lose to what looks like (yes I know it probably isn't) Terran A-move really puts a damper on things. I guess Flash sort of had a similar inevitability to him too, is it just godly macro? I feel like I must be missing something. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24261 Posts
On April 15 2024 08:51 BluemoonSC wrote: Less so the fact that artosis isnt there and moreso that there is very little analysis occuring in the current casts (which happens to be the void he left). There is so much more to a cast than "wow I can't believe how good Maru is" and "guys I think we're going to see GG any second now" State brings it in spades when there’s a Protoss involved and especially in PvP to be fair. It’s like he brings better analysis than Artosis in terms of specifics and depth in that scenario, but then does a fair bit less in other matchups. Why that is I dunno but that’s a pattern I think is there, although I also must stress I think he’s doing a good job. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On April 15 2024 10:45 WombaT wrote: State brings it in spades when there’s a Protoss involved and especially in PvP to be fair. It’s like he brings better analysis than Artosis in terms of specifics and depth in that scenario, but then does a fair bit less in other matchups. Why that is I dunno but that’s a pattern I think is there, although I also must stress I think he’s doing a good job. State doesn't play the other races, that much is obvious to me. He's a Protoss player through and through and when Protoss is involved his increased enthusiasm as well as his game knowledge and confidence in articulating that game knowledge all get raised in very noticeable ways. Artosis is a different kind of caster. While he played Protoss in SC2 and Terran in Brood War I believe he gets nearly all of his game knowledge from dilligently studying pro matches. He watches tournaments he isn't casting (which is something Tasteless notably doesn't do) and is very good at being able to analyze the patterns he sees from watching a lot of games, and due to his long career there's few people I can think of that have probably watched as much as Starcraft 2 as he has. I don't know if State will be able to apply the same kind of tactical thinking he uses when casting Protoss with the other races simply because I think he draws so much from his own playing experience in his commentary. It's possible that he can grow as a caster this way either by doing more playing of Terran and Zerg or learning to analyze game footage the way Artosis does. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
On April 15 2024 10:45 WombaT wrote: State brings it in spades when there’s a Protoss involved and especially in PvP to be fair. It’s like he brings better analysis than Artosis in terms of specifics and depth in that scenario, but then does a fair bit less in other matchups. Why that is I dunno but that’s a pattern I think is there, although I also must stress I think he’s doing a good job. IMO him and tasteless take turns on play by play a little too frequently without zooming out to look at the bigger picture. Can't have two of those in a broadcast, the color commentary should compliment the play by play and vice versa. State is doing a good job but their dynamic has a lot of room for growth. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24261 Posts
I’d hesitate to say Artosis is underrated, that would be a bit daft but I do think his abilities as an individual caster are pretty unsung sometimes, like he’s viewed as one half of the magical Tastosis archon rather than very good in his own right. He’s dovetailed with many a caster very well. Come to think of it, when Tasteless was out for a bit and Arty was rotating with co-casters, some of those were very good. In fact I loved all of them from memory, Artosis can seemingly cast with anyone and Special’s non-biased Terran casting was especially fun. I actually feel State maybe dovetailed better with Arty in past casts, where he’d more do the play by play, Tosis would do the more general analysis and then State would add an extra layer of Protoss insight that was above what Artosis could bring if Protoss were involved. It’ll come I think it’s just them figuring how to split roles a bit, and as I stress I think State’s doing grand. State with Gemini was also a fun cast Hopefully they’ve more than one more GSL to work with! | ||
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goldensail
132 Posts
On April 15 2024 09:57 Turbovolver wrote: Some analysis would be great, because when my untrained eyes watch those games and I see Hero doing all kinds of cool, technical micro stuff only to still lose to what looks like (yes I know it probably isn't) Terran A-move really puts a damper on things. I guess Flash sort of had a similar inevitability to him too, is it just godly macro? I feel like I must be missing something. LOL you are probably the first person who's said Terran, and of all Terrans Maru, "A-move". For every stalker blink and Colossus pickup, Maru is stutter stepping marines, picking up cyclones, flanking with ghosts, splitting to avoid disruptor shots... Historically Maru has had the upper hand vs. herO, although herO can certainly put up good fights e.g. 2022 GSL S2 grand final, and just this season's group stage fight between the two. IMO, herO lost because: 1. His early game attacks bounced off a well prepared Maru, and when things didn't go according to plan, it seems herO felt forced to double down into worse and worse gambles (e.g. blinknig into well defended positions) 2. herO often did not have sufficient AoE damage, unlike in the group stage games when he used storms very effectively. 3. herO felt tilted in the last couple of games e.g. in game 5 losing like 20 probes to that one liberator In contrast, Maru played quite well, except in game 1 where he threw away a lead. Maru's ability to macro while microing is one of the best, if not the best, in the business. If an opponent doesn't deal strong AoE damage or back stab very effectively, he will just win. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
On April 15 2024 16:30 WombaT wrote: Agree with both of the above, he’s doing a good job but they’re big boots to fill. Not just Artosis, who really is a very good caster indeed. But also the dynamic that really elevates Tastosis in many eyes. I’d hesitate to say Artosis is underrated, that would be a bit daft but I do think his abilities as an individual caster are pretty unsung sometimes, like he’s viewed as one half of the magical Tastosis archon rather than very good in his own right. He’s dovetailed with many a caster very well. Come to think of it, when Tasteless was out for a bit and Arty was rotating with co-casters, some of those were very good. In fact I loved all of them from memory, Artosis can seemingly cast with anyone and Special’s non-biased Terran casting was especially fun. I actually feel State maybe dovetailed better with Arty in past casts, where he’d more do the play by play, Tosis would do the more general analysis and then State would add an extra layer of Protoss insight that was above what Artosis could bring if Protoss were involved. It’ll come I think it’s just them figuring how to split roles a bit, and as I stress I think State’s doing grand. State with Gemini was also a fun cast Hopefully they’ve more than one more GSL to work with! IMO it's because Artosis is more adept at play by play, while Tasteless really shines in play by play and entertaining, but not in analysis to the same degree that artosis is at play by play, if that makes sense? Worth noting I watch a lot of artosis' solo casting, so maybe I'm just used to how much analysis is possible in a game while still being able to cover play by play by himself. They're all fantastic casters in their own right but good commentary requires a bit of yin and yang with respect to strengths in the cast. | ||
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