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StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
July 25 2020 07:19 GMT
#201
On July 25 2020 16:17 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:16 StasisField wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:15 Olli wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:04 Cricketer12 wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:01 Ej_ wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:01 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 25 2020 15:45 Olli wrote:
On July 25 2020 15:44 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 25 2020 15:36 Lexender wrote:
On July 25 2020 15:34 BerserkSword wrote:
neeb is a god for pioneering dt blink in the lategame vs terran


Aren't lategame blink dts used in every MU now? I'm pretty sure they are.


neeb was doing it like at least a year ago


This new DT blink usage is completely different to what Neeb was doing.


I wouldnt say completely different. It's just a different level of mechanics.

Ok, then lategame Shadow Stride was invented by Stats, in every matchup.

tbf name a lategame protoss play that wasn't invented by rain or stats


Double prism zealot spam brought to you by HerO

Usually followed by dying to BL Infestor

For when you wanna die and look fancy while doing it.


To be fair that was as good as it got for Protoss

Oh for sure. HerO was my favorite player until he retired for that reason. He made losing look good
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
July 25 2020 07:19 GMT
#202
On July 25 2020 16:17 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 Lexender wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Where gonna have a P>Z finals just to deny protoss any buffs.


Good joke. When's the last time a Protoss has won a bo7 against Zerg?

I honestly can't recall the last PvZ finals where Serral wasn't the Zerg, and I can't remember if Serral won all of those or not.

Serral won all the pvz finals, but he lost a couple semis/ro8s
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-25 07:20:26
July 25 2020 07:19 GMT
#203
On July 25 2020 16:17 swarminfestor wrote:
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On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


Rogue never lost Bo7 series, right? Dream must try hard to prevent that scenario to happen.

Rogue is 7-0 in offline bo7s, but he does lose them offline (as everybody does). However, only one of those is vs Terran, and he has lost a few bo7 and bo9s online vs INnoVation rather recently.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 25 2020 07:20 GMT
#204
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.
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StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
July 25 2020 07:20 GMT
#205
On July 25 2020 16:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:17 StasisField wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 Lexender wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Where gonna have a P>Z finals just to deny protoss any buffs.


Good joke. When's the last time a Protoss has won a bo7 against Zerg?

I honestly can't recall the last PvZ finals where Serral wasn't the Zerg, and I can't remember if Serral won all of those or not.

Serral won all the pvz finals, but he lost a couple semis/ro8s

That's what I thought but I wasn't confident enough to claim it as fact.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
July 25 2020 07:21 GMT
#206
On July 25 2020 16:17 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 Lexender wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Where gonna have a P>Z finals just to deny protoss any buffs.


Good joke. When's the last time a Protoss has won a bo7 against Zerg?

I honestly can't recall the last PvZ finals where Serral wasn't the Zerg, and I can't remember if Serral won all of those or not.



katowice 2020 Zest vs Rogue. Last year GSLs with Trap runner up vs Dark/rogue.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
July 25 2020 07:22 GMT
#207
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno

I will honestly not be surprised to see it happen, but he still remains the odds on favorite
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
mCon.Hephaistas
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands891 Posts
July 25 2020 07:22 GMT
#208
On July 25 2020 16:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
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On July 25 2020 16:15 Argonauta wrote:
Rogue says zerg is not doing well. Will people will make as much of a fuzz than when he said Zerg was too good?


Most of the Korean pros do seem to think that TvZ is very Terran favored. The results so far haven't really supported this theory.


Well winrates in this GSL and the last GSL are both very Terran favored
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-25 07:23:12
July 25 2020 07:23 GMT
#209
-snip-
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
July 25 2020 07:23 GMT
#210
On July 25 2020 16:20 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.


And yet couldn't deal with Reynor, he isn't going to win this tournament.
TL+ Member
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 25 2020 07:24 GMT
#211
On July 25 2020 16:23 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:20 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.


And yet couldn't deal with Reynor, he isn't going to win this tournament.

Permaban bet?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-25 07:26:42
July 25 2020 07:25 GMT
#212
On July 25 2020 16:23 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:20 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.


And yet couldn't deal with Reynor, he isn't going to win this tournament.

Literally same day as beating dark 4-0 in gsl. Was probably tired/not taking it seriously

But by all means imply DRG is top 2 zerg in the world.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-25 07:30:31
July 25 2020 07:27 GMT
#213
On July 25 2020 16:23 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:20 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.


And yet couldn't deal with Reynor, he isn't going to win this tournament.


Is Reynor playing in GSL?

Best TvZ doesn't mean 100% winrate, it means better than all the other Terrans. Which he is.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
July 25 2020 07:27 GMT
#214
On July 25 2020 16:24 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:23 DieuCure wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:20 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.


And yet couldn't deal with Reynor, he isn't going to win this tournament.

Permaban bet?


Let's go, 2013-2020.
TL+ Member
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-25 07:28:51
July 25 2020 07:28 GMT
#215
On July 25 2020 16:27 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:24 Ej_ wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:23 DieuCure wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:20 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.


And yet couldn't deal with Reynor, he isn't going to win this tournament.

Permaban bet?


Let's go, 2013-2020.

Ok cool . Hopefuly you won't try to weasel out with another account.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
July 25 2020 07:28 GMT
#216
On July 25 2020 16:25 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:23 DieuCure wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:20 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.


And yet couldn't deal with Reynor, he isn't going to win this tournament.

Literally same day as beating dark 4-0 in gsl. Was probably tired/not taking it seriously

But by all means imply DRG is top 2 zerg in the world.



Reynor is overhyped and not the 2nd best Zerg in the world.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
July 25 2020 07:29 GMT
#217
On July 25 2020 16:28 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:27 DieuCure wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:24 Ej_ wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:23 DieuCure wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:20 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.


And yet couldn't deal with Reynor, he isn't going to win this tournament.

Permaban bet?


Let's go, 2013-2020.

Ok cool . Hopefuly you won't try to weasel out with another account.

Ej found a way to make me cheer against DRG. Wack.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 25 2020 07:29 GMT
#218
On July 25 2020 16:22 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:15 Argonauta wrote:
Rogue says zerg is not doing well. Will people will make as much of a fuzz than when he said Zerg was too good?


Most of the Korean pros do seem to think that TvZ is very Terran favored. The results so far haven't really supported this theory.


Well winrates in this GSL and the last GSL are both very Terran favored


Sure. But Cure, Maru, INno, TY also managed to lose all their series against Serral and Reynor at Dreamhack Summers, and despite all the excuses in the world that hardly sells the idea that ZvT is unwinnable.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
July 25 2020 07:31 GMT
#219
On July 25 2020 16:28 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:27 DieuCure wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:24 Ej_ wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:23 DieuCure wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:20 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.


And yet couldn't deal with Reynor, he isn't going to win this tournament.

Permaban bet?


Let's go, 2013-2020.

Ok cool . Hopefuly you won't try to weasel out with another account.


Funny that you really think INno can win Dream/Rogue and a top protoss/TY.
TL+ Member
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 25 2020 07:32 GMT
#220
On July 25 2020 16:31 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2020 16:28 Ej_ wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:27 DieuCure wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:24 Ej_ wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:23 DieuCure wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:20 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:18 Argonauta wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 25 2020 16:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
INno > Stats Finals


Inno > DRG
Rogue > Dream
Parting > TY
Stats > Trap
----
Inno > Rogue
Stats > Parting
----
Inno > Stats

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


INno Vation is going to lose either vs DRG either vs Dream/Rogue. 0 chances to win this GSL. Maru has more chances to win it than INno


Inno literally has the best TvZ in the world right now, but sure.


And yet couldn't deal with Reynor, he isn't going to win this tournament.

Permaban bet?


Let's go, 2013-2020.

Ok cool . Hopefuly you won't try to weasel out with another account.


Funny that you really think INno can win Dream/Rogue and a top protoss/TY.

I don't care, I'm just willing to wager to get rid of you.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
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