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Charlie Sheens House51325 Posts
Poll: Cure vs INnoVationINnoVation Wins (21) 70% Cure Wins (9) 30% 30 total votes Your vote: Cure vs INnoVation (Vote): Cure Wins (Vote): INnoVation Wins
Poll: Cure vs INnoVation II2020 Robot Upgrades > All (16) 64% 2020 Year Of Cure (9) 36% 25 total votes Your vote: Cure vs INnoVation II (Vote): 2020 Year Of Cure (Vote): 2020 Robot Upgrades > All
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I found the first semi-final to be pretty disappointing, as a viewer. I just want ggs and a well-fought battle.
Cure. I believe.
Year of Cure.
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4-1 for Inno is my guess, and after that another win for Inno in the grand finals. I think he will win TSL as well.
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Inno 4-2 is my guess, with mostly standard games from both sides. Inno doesn't need to resort to crazy cheese to beat Cure, and he probably wants to save it for TY.
Cure will put up a good fight each time but eventually get outmaneuvered in macro games. He might try some proxy reapers, but he's never been the type to rely on cheese.
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INno 4-1 with 10+ proxied buildings from him over the entire series.
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My head says INno and my heart says Cure, I’m thinking it will be 4-1 or 4-2 in INno’s favor
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2 of my favorite players clashing, I voted for Cure to win his first GSL but Inno would potentially claim GOAT status with another GSL win to solidify it. Such a tough choice!
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Finally having a messed up sleep schedule pays off. Gogo Inno.
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Belgica34430 Posts
I hope for some longer games, but I doubt it
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inno inno inno inno hwaiting
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INno should crush this, but I don't think either of them looked super hot in the previous round so who knows
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casting is the best training, look at Rotti
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Cure just said he's not gonna play standard? why say that right in front of Inno? lol
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On May 30 2020 13:07 Die4Ever wrote: Cure just said he's not gonna play standard? why say that right in front of Inno? lol Mind games.
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Their last ro4 in 2014 was barely won 4-3 by INno, had it gone the other way we'd either have had a soO or Cure champion, and SC2 history looks very different.
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I like this from Cure with the sneaky expo
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On Wednesday we were reminded that Parting is not a good player, the same will happen to cure today.
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this looks like one of my games except my banshee would be a-moved into a random turret
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and I think Cure is probably dead here lol
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On May 30 2020 13:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Not a fun game for SCVs. all SCVs do is complain, I'm not sure they ever have a good game
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Belgica34430 Posts
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yeah this game is crazy, stim is soooo far away for Cure he probably should just go mech
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if Cure wins this game I'm so impressed
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Cure looked really dead for the past 5 minutes yet now he's basically won. I guess that's the power of the raven.
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Golden Wall sometimes creates really fun games. Go cure!
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On May 30 2020 13:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Cure looked really dead for the past 5 minutes yet now he's basically won. I guess that's the power of the raven. Cure must have built like 5 ravens or something crazy
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I think Inno sending the first two viking out to the push instead of just taking out the ravens was a pivotal moment. They barely did anything when they could've stopped the turret harass that kept Cure in the game
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I find it interesting how Cure seems to never build many vikings to try to get air control in his TvTs
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really sick game from Cure
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Cure hasn't started his 3/3 and INno's is basically done, but with this much of a supply differential it probably won't matter.
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INno finally managed to drag them back to even army supply and then loses because he doesn't have any tanks at his third
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Inno is quite the optimist, haha
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INno's channeling the power of Fantasy.
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what a fun game to watch!
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well idk if its true but i recall fantasy said something like a big reason why he ggs so late is to demoralize his opponent
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Has Inno topped his match vs TaeJa? I caught the tell end of the last match and that reminded me of it.
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On May 30 2020 13:26 starkiller123 wrote: I find it interesting how Cure seems to never build many vikings to try to get air control in his TvTs
I noticed that too
He's been straight up out-muscling everyone mechanically in TvT, i think that's why he's getting away with it
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On May 30 2020 13:33 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 13:26 starkiller123 wrote: I find it interesting how Cure seems to never build many vikings to try to get air control in his TvTs I noticed that too He's been straight up out-muscling everyone mechanically in TvT, i think that's why he's getting away with it yeah I first noticed it in his series vs TY, its been pretty impressive to watch
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I think Gumiho did this sometimes in TvT
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what is going on in this series haha
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Cure sees the mag-field and still goes for hyperflight rotors? That's pretty brave.
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On May 30 2020 13:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Cure sees the mag-field and still goes for hyperflight rotors? That's pretty brave. At least mag-field doesn't affect banshees. I guess if you're dead set on using banshees vs a lot of cyclone you wanna have speed
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tank mech just feels better to me than cyclone mech idk
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Didn't Cure and SpeCial have a game in TSL where Cure had 3-3 vs 0-0 and still lost because upgrades don't mean shit in cyclone vs cyclone
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On May 30 2020 13:41 Zzzapper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 13:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Cure sees the mag-field and still goes for hyperflight rotors? That's pretty brave. At least mag-field doesn't affect banshees. I guess if you're dead set on using banshees vs a lot of cyclone you wanna have speed really? I guess I have no idea what exactly mag-field does, I've never actually build the upgrade before lol
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On May 30 2020 13:41 Fango wrote: Didn't Cure and SpeCial have a game in TSL where Cure had 3-3 vs 0-0 and still lost because upgrades don't mean shit in cyclone vs cyclone yeah it was a pretty hilarious game edit. 3000 post hype!
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On May 30 2020 13:41 starkiller123 wrote: tank mech just feels better to me than cyclone mech idk Cyclone mech loses straight up, but there's just something satisfying about killing a planetary in 5 seconds without even stopping your units
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On May 30 2020 13:41 starkiller123 wrote: tank mech just feels better to me than cyclone mech idk
You need both, a few tanks can turn a fight and cyclone are incredibly flimsy but if you only have tanks you're never gonna leave your base.
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this game is also weird haha
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On May 30 2020 13:41 Zzzapper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 13:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Cure sees the mag-field and still goes for hyperflight rotors? That's pretty brave. At least mag-field doesn't affect banshees. I guess if you're dead set on using banshees vs a lot of cyclone you wanna have speed
For sure, but you could also choose not to go banshee against someone building a lot of cyclones.
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On May 30 2020 13:42 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 13:41 Zzzapper wrote:On May 30 2020 13:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Cure sees the mag-field and still goes for hyperflight rotors? That's pretty brave. At least mag-field doesn't affect banshees. I guess if you're dead set on using banshees vs a lot of cyclone you wanna have speed really? I guess I have no idea what exactly mag-field does, I've never actually build the upgrade before lol Double damage vs. armored
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On May 30 2020 13:44 Zzzapper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 13:42 starkiller123 wrote:On May 30 2020 13:41 Zzzapper wrote:On May 30 2020 13:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Cure sees the mag-field and still goes for hyperflight rotors? That's pretty brave. At least mag-field doesn't affect banshees. I guess if you're dead set on using banshees vs a lot of cyclone you wanna have speed really? I guess I have no idea what exactly mag-field does, I've never actually build the upgrade before lol Double damage vs. armored ah I thought it was just a general damage buff not type specific
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I'm not regretting getting up early so far (not that I had a choice really)
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This is probably the most asymmetric mech vs mech game I've seen in quite a while. And now INno's bringing out the ravens + thors as his late game unit.
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Fun fact: with mag-field, every single lock-on shot on a BC costs 20/15 in repairs
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On May 30 2020 13:12 Fango wrote: Their last ro4 in 2014 was barely won 4-3 by INno, had it gone the other way we'd either have had a soO or Cure champion, and SC2 history looks very different. I've been watching reruns of old GSLs and I think of this kind of thing a lot, like wow this guy wasn't a legend yet and he barely won that match, would he have still become a legend if he lost? would he have lost passion for the game and fizzled out?
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Imagine back when ravens could fire 4 interference matrix instead of 2.
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Innovation is playing so sexy.
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this series has potential to be legendary tbh
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we've seen pretty much the whole terran tech tree except for ghosts
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On May 30 2020 13:50 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 13:12 Fango wrote: Their last ro4 in 2014 was barely won 4-3 by INno, had it gone the other way we'd either have had a soO or Cure champion, and SC2 history looks very different. I've been watching reruns of old GSLs and I think of this kind of thing a lot, like wow this guy wasn't a legend yet and he barely won that match, would he have still become a legend if he lost? would he have lost passion for the game and fizzled out? Another huge one was 2016 season 2 ro8 between ByuN and Ryung. Byun barely won 3-2 in a super close series, without that he never wins that GSL or blizzcon and would have probably retired without acheiving anything memorable
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Belgica34430 Posts
Perfect counter from INno
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wow cool game
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Tank BC seems like the most ultimate a-move deathball tbh
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On May 30 2020 13:53 Penev wrote: we've seen pretty much the whole terran tech tree except for ghosts
And it would have been worth it for Cure to get ghosts if he wasn't so broke.
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On May 30 2020 13:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 13:53 Penev wrote: we've seen pretty much the whole terran tech tree except for ghosts And it would have been worth it for Cure to get ghosts if he wasn't so broke. TY would have gotten ghosts to EMP the ravens
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Feels like Ravens are the eventual king right? Inno played conceptually well and I don't really see what Cure could've done there, Inno gets the mobility and eco advantage and Cure's technique "advantage" seems to be nullified by Ravens.
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Imno's TvT is the all time textbook of all the Terran. Whatever league you're, you cal always learn from him.
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Cure needed some thors of his own to punish Innovations huge commitment to anti-air. High impact gun would chunk away at ravens and libs during those standoffs too
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this series makes me realize how bad pvp is compared to tvt and zvz
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On May 30 2020 13:57 BerserkSword wrote: Cure needed some thors of his own to punish Innovations huge commitment to anti-air. High impact gun would chunk away at ravens and libs during those standoffs too
He was using his factories to build tanks, which he really needed or else Inno's cyclones would slaughter his BCs. Thors are horrible against cyclones.
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On May 30 2020 13:58 Anc13nt wrote: this series makes me realize how bad pvp is compared to tvt and zvz modern PvP has somehow made me miss the old hots colossus vs colossus meta
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On May 30 2020 13:59 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 13:57 BerserkSword wrote: Cure needed some thors of his own to punish Innovations huge commitment to anti-air. High impact gun would chunk away at ravens and libs during those standoffs too He was using his factories to build tanks, which he really needed or else Inno's cyclones would slaughter his BCs. Thors are horrible against cyclones.
Not in the lategame.
Yes early on cyclones can trade but when there is a critical mass of firepower cyclones just die.
You cant just mass tanks when the other Terran has ravens, libs, and thors (to actually beat that number of thors you need a critical mass of tanks which never was achieved in battle thanks to ravens)
Innovation wasnt even massing cyclones at that point. He had double digit thors, double digit ravens, and like 1 cyclone lol
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after seeing these first 2 games I just really hope the series goes to 7
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On May 30 2020 13:54 Fango wrote: Tank BC seems like the most ultimate a-move deathball tbh
How? Tanks are the least a-move deathball unit, you need to be careful with siege and un-siege, BCs too are stronger yamatoing and teleporting away that just trading, both vikings and thors take very efficient trades against them.
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On May 30 2020 14:03 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 13:54 Fango wrote: Tank BC seems like the most ultimate a-move deathball tbh How? Tanks are the least a-move deathball unit, you need to be careful with siege and un-siege, BCs too are stronger yamatoing and teleporting away that just trading, both vikings and thors take very efficient trades against them. yeah thors are much more a-move than BCs or tanks
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Omg it's baboon vs baboon
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Are 5 reaper + 3 hellion pushes a meta thing now? Lmao.
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cure is just a mechanical monster
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that was just comical haha
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Inno did not look amused.
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I really could see the skills of each players factoring into the final results of that game
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On May 30 2020 14:03 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 13:54 Fango wrote: Tank BC seems like the most ultimate a-move deathball tbh How? Tanks are the least a-move deathball unit, you need to be careful with siege and un-siege, BCs too are stronger yamatoing and teleporting away that just trading, both vikings and thors take very efficient trades against them. When I say a-move, I don't mean literally take your hands off your keyboard, I'm just talking about the micro requiement vs how effective the army is. The usually counter to mass tanks is to zone with libs or drop over them, both of those aren't really great with BCs
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On May 30 2020 14:08 Nakajin wrote: I really could see the skills of each players factoring into the final results of that game reminded me of hellbat drops from 2013, TvT is a chess match lol
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On May 30 2020 14:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are 5 reaper + 3 hellion pushes a meta thing now? Lmao. They've been meta for about two months now. Since the Maru vs INno match in super tournament at least
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On May 30 2020 14:09 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:08 Nakajin wrote: I really could see the skills of each players factoring into the final results of that game reminded me of hellbat drops from 2013 Except Inno usually won those
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On May 30 2020 14:10 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are 5 reaper + 3 hellion pushes a meta thing now? Lmao. They've been meta for about two months now. Since the Maru vs INno match in super tournament at least sort of fringe meta though, I don't think its that common still
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On May 30 2020 14:10 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are 5 reaper + 3 hellion pushes a meta thing now? Lmao. They've been meta for about two months now. Since the Maru vs INno match in super tournament at least
People have been doing it from time to time. But it hasn't been so common that I'd expect to see both players go for it.
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INno is insane with this build haha
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On May 30 2020 14:10 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:10 Fango wrote:On May 30 2020 14:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are 5 reaper + 3 hellion pushes a meta thing now? Lmao. They've been meta for about two months now. Since the Maru vs INno match in super tournament at least sort of fringe meta though, I don't think its that common still I think it's more meta at lower ranks (because everyone thinks they have sick micro). Pros seem to know better
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On May 30 2020 14:10 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:10 Fango wrote:On May 30 2020 14:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are 5 reaper + 3 hellion pushes a meta thing now? Lmao. They've been meta for about two months now. Since the Maru vs INno match in super tournament at least sort of fringe meta though, I don't think its that common still
Actually see it at least once every EPT cup tho (and TSL quals), so it's "fringe" in the sense that all the terran players keep saying it's shit, but then they do it anyway.
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3 cc in TvT just seems so crazy to me
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Wtf Cure did the diamond league build
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On May 30 2020 14:11 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:10 starkiller123 wrote:On May 30 2020 14:10 Fango wrote:On May 30 2020 14:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are 5 reaper + 3 hellion pushes a meta thing now? Lmao. They've been meta for about two months now. Since the Maru vs INno match in super tournament at least sort of fringe meta though, I don't think its that common still Actually see it at least once every EPT cup tho (and TSL quals), so it's "fringe" in the sense that all the terran players keep saying it's shit, but then they do it anyway.
Ah the shitty ravager build of terran builds.
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This is the greediest build Inno could have gone for.
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come on guys, back to interesting games pls
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lol the imperial march remix, a classic
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I liquibet Cure for the upset potential and now I'm feelin it!
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Belgica34430 Posts
This is what we dont want
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Unbelievably unlucky from INno. The build Cure went for is dogshit vs the standard double gas opener than INno likes. Or even a reaper expand if it's scouted
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Either Cure wins and its a short 4-1 or Inno comes back 4-3, no in betweens.
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Damn. I went to the bathroom and the game was over.
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On May 30 2020 14:14 Solar424 wrote: This is the greediest build Inno could have gone for. I mean he could have gone cc first but that would actually be suicide
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The entertainment value of this series has gone downhill unbelievably fast.
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On May 30 2020 14:14 Vindicare605 wrote: I liquibet Cure for the upset potential and now I'm feelin it!
If Cure wins even my shambles will be in shambles liquibetwise
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On May 30 2020 14:15 Fango wrote: Unbelievably unlucky from INno. The build Cure went for is dogshit vs the standard double gas opener than INno likes. Or even a reaper expand if it's scouted
Cure's build is literally what people do when they're off-racing and don't want to play TvT, I can't believe he did it in a pro match, it's so awful against like everything except what Inno did.
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Remember game 2 when everyone was saying how much they loved TvT? And then Cure gets two free wins
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On May 30 2020 14:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The entertainment value of this series has gone downhill unbelievably fast. Last game will be 12 scv vs 12 scv micro battle
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Cure vs TY would be the least hype GSL finals since RorO vs Symbol
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On May 30 2020 14:16 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:15 Fango wrote: Unbelievably unlucky from INno. The build Cure went for is dogshit vs the standard double gas opener than INno likes. Or even a reaper expand if it's scouted Cure's build is literally what people do when they're off-racing and don't want to play TvT, I can't believe he did it in a pro match, it's so awful against like everything except what Inno did. yeah that was actually so insanely unlucky haha
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On May 30 2020 14:17 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:16 blooblooblahblah wrote:On May 30 2020 14:15 Fango wrote: Unbelievably unlucky from INno. The build Cure went for is dogshit vs the standard double gas opener than INno likes. Or even a reaper expand if it's scouted Cure's build is literally what people do when they're off-racing and don't want to play TvT, I can't believe he did it in a pro match, it's so awful against like everything except what Inno did. yeah that was actually so insanely unlucky haha
Either that or Cure has a soul read on what INno's doing.
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On May 30 2020 14:17 sudete wrote: Cure vs TY would be the least hype GSL finals since RorO vs Symbol I actually think Cure vs TY would be quite hype, more interesting than TY INno imo
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I am vibing so much with this remix. I love the GSL DJ.
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On May 30 2020 14:15 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:14 Solar424 wrote: This is the greediest build Inno could have gone for. I mean he could have gone cc first but that would actually be suicide
I remember getting yell at for being a cheeser on the ladder after killing a guy that went CC first on the low ground with a single reaper, good times.
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On May 30 2020 14:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:17 starkiller123 wrote:On May 30 2020 14:16 blooblooblahblah wrote:On May 30 2020 14:15 Fango wrote: Unbelievably unlucky from INno. The build Cure went for is dogshit vs the standard double gas opener than INno likes. Or even a reaper expand if it's scouted Cure's build is literally what people do when they're off-racing and don't want to play TvT, I can't believe he did it in a pro match, it's so awful against like everything except what Inno did. yeah that was actually so insanely unlucky haha Either that or Cure has a soul read on what INno's doing. He must have known INno likes to play 3CC. That build is just so bad vs any standard TvT opener
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On May 30 2020 14:19 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:15 starkiller123 wrote:On May 30 2020 14:14 Solar424 wrote: This is the greediest build Inno could have gone for. I mean he could have gone cc first but that would actually be suicide I remember getting yell at for being a cheeser on the ladder after killing a guy that went CC first on the low ground with a single reaper, good times. when I get tilted on ladder I always go CC first cause fuck it lol
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Wonder what TY is saying while casting this
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Cure has a good murder face
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Innovation excuse train running wild tonight
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On May 30 2020 14:23 ssg wrote: Innovation excuse train running wild tonight is it though? I don't see many excuses really
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On May 30 2020 14:23 ssg wrote: Innovation excuse train running wild tonight Because going 3CC before factory definitely isn't a build order win vs 1-1-1 one base allin? That's all people are really saying
You could put any player in Cure's position and they would have won
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Uhh I don't like this build against what Cure is doing :/
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Has INno sent an SCV across the map every game? And Cure has not sent an SCV across in any game?
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this unscouted so it could work
edit. actually no haha
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well, game 2 was very nice
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On May 30 2020 14:27 Penev wrote: well, game 2 was very nice so was game 1
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On May 30 2020 14:27 Penev wrote: well, game 2 was very nice
And quite possibly longer than the subsequent games combined.
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Hey guys, this is why you never do this build
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I don't think anyone predicted Cure to win 4-1
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This is why you don't go for this build kids, Cure had zero tanks/marines/vikings and still holds it.
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On May 30 2020 14:29 starkiller123 wrote:so was game 1 This is the opposite of TY vs Parting.
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I was hoping for a long series. Would be nice to see Cure in the finals and hopefully winning it all!
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INno should send the ravens across the map and pray that they somehow get 10 SCVs apiece.
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Aaaaaaaand Cure just threw
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Damn Inno is really good.
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I'm glad we are actually getting a game again
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wtf. how is this happening
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According to TL's upcoming events, Inno is playing in two other tourneys later? Crazy.
GSL should still remain top of his priority. No excuses for losing.
Just slightly concerned how top pro-gamers are being overstretched and diluting the quality of games across the board...
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This is a repeat of Cure's doom drop tendencies from Golden Wall but with an even more disastrous result.
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Lol for some reason I felt this coming
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On May 30 2020 14:35 blooblooblahblah wrote: Lol for some reason I felt this coming I deep inside we all know Cure is just Cure and no lack of audience will change that.
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This is cute. Cure is playing the first marine/tank mirror of his life.
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On May 30 2020 14:35 RKC wrote: According to TL's upcoming events, Inno is playing in two other tourneys later? Crazy.
GSL should still remain top of his priority. No excuses for losing.
Just slightly concerned how top pro-gamers are being overstretched and diluting the quality of games across the board...
Game quality is always going to unpredictable in a heavy preparation format like GSL. More time to prep = less standard openers and more potential for sharper BO advantages
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On May 30 2020 14:35 blooblooblahblah wrote: Lol for some reason I felt this coming probably Mercury
or Venus, could be Venus
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Cure is too eager to close this out. I think if Inno just stays safe and patient, he can bring back the series. He'll probably do something risky and lose game 6 though
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can cure mentality recover after this?
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Jesus christ Cure is spiraling out of control
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Artosis went into Wolf territory there but he might be right
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Oh dear. That was an attack.
Well at least we get to see Obsidian again.
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On May 30 2020 14:40 Penev wrote: Artosis went into Wolf territory there but he might be right full Wolf is talking about hair cuts
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Cure is actually playing decently now but it feels too late
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Cure's got some nice moves for someone who's down half the tech tree.
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I think they overstated the importance of INnoVation's mineral dump macro CCs lol
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that looked like one of those “fuck it i just want to end the game” ladder games
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Inno seems pleased, Cure knows he messed up.
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I gotta admit I feel like i haven't seen Cure making vikings in TvT for months
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If Cure loses this series is it throw of the year?
Would be ridiculous considering he got free wins in games 3/4, and what should have been a sure win in game 5.
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In-base 2rax on a 4p map LOL
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prepare for bcs vs bcs split map
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This seems really bad for Cure
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We haven't yet seen a non-cross spawn game on Obsidian.
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On May 30 2020 14:47 Fango wrote: If Cure loses this series is it throw of the year?
Would be ridiculous considering he got free wins in games 3/4, and what should have been a sure win in game 5. Throw of the year already happened on wednesday.
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Not even proxy 2 rax in the center? Shameful
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lol Artosis still hating on Cure? I hope Cure wins now
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man why is artosis talking so much trash against cure lol
Cure is playing like a beast in 2020
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Is Cure going to try to do a double medivac drop? I dunno about that.
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On May 30 2020 14:49 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:47 Fango wrote: If Cure loses this series is it throw of the year?
Would be ridiculous considering he got free wins in games 3/4, and what should have been a sure win in game 5. Throw of the year already happened on wednesday.
Which one? If you're talking about the last game, not at all.
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On May 30 2020 14:52 BerserkSword wrote: man why is artosis talking so much trash against cure lol
Cure is playing like a beast in 2020 imagine talking trash about a GSL semifinalist who's up on Innovation
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On May 30 2020 14:52 BerserkSword wrote: man why is artosis talking so much trash against cure lol
Cure is playing like a beast in 2020 yeah he already smashed TY in the ro16, a little odd
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On May 30 2020 14:49 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:47 Fango wrote: If Cure loses this series is it throw of the year?
Would be ridiculous considering he got free wins in games 3/4, and what should have been a sure win in game 5. Throw of the year already happened on wednesday.
Forgetting warp gate or walking the entire army into siege tank fire?
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I have a feeling INno will just die to a stupid one base build in game 7
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I guess heading across the map with two medivacs can make sense after all. You could just kill your opponent.
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Cure is losing the mental game more than anything
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On May 30 2020 14:52 BerserkSword wrote: man why is artosis talking so much trash against cure lol
Cure is playing like a beast in 2020
i agree. Cure ascended to a higher level like gumiho imo
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INoVation is doing the Nerchio pout. This series is over.
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Inno's expression is hilarious.
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On May 30 2020 14:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote: ???
I guess heading across the map with two medivacs can make sense after all. You could just kill your opponent. when Cure does it, Artosis talks shit about him, when Inno does it he's a god lol
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I honestly wouldnt even gg there. Defenders advantage on that map should be massive and you turtle up and take your chances
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Emotional rollercoaster series for sure
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Cure got that dishearteningly bopped. He shooketh.
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Cure should just 3-rax reaper.
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Dragonpenix Gaming Cure, gimme dough
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On May 30 2020 14:49 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:47 Fango wrote: If Cure loses this series is it throw of the year?
Would be ridiculous considering he got free wins in games 3/4, and what should have been a sure win in game 5. Throw of the year already happened on wednesday. In PartinG's defense, he was already down 2-0 when he threw.
Cure on the other hand was one map from winning the series, and was absolutely winning said game before throwing it.
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i still remember game 5 when they showed the facecam because they so sure inno was dead. inno is a fighter.
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On May 30 2020 14:56 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote: ???
I guess heading across the map with two medivacs can make sense after all. You could just kill your opponent. when Cure does it, Artosis talks shit about him, when Inno does it he's a god lol There might be an argument to be said that Cure needs to kill his opponent with it to win, whereas INno can kill his opponent with it, but also probably wins a positional game
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On May 30 2020 14:58 Anc13nt wrote: i still remember game 5 when they showed the facecam because they so sure inno was dead. inno is a fighter. also Cure had a convincing murder face back then, just now he looked like there's an audience
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Well looks like Cure saved his last trick for game 7. Well nevermind
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Artosis praising the cyclone when literally the most standard TvT build is to make 3 reaper>2 hellion>cyclone.
I don't get why Cure is so keen on building his starports out on the map
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Cures auto turrets: 2 SCVs
Innos auto turrets: 4 SCVs
Its almost comical.
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On May 30 2020 15:04 Lexender wrote: Cures auto turrets: 2 SCVs
Innos auto turrets: 4 SCVs
Its almost comical.
At a point the series when it is 3-3!
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This is serious Fantasy GG timing
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I think 3 supply is where you can gg
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And in the end Inno threw
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damn I really didnt think Cure had in it him, Congrats!!!
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Well done, Cure
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China6282 Posts
New GSL champion here we go!
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So happy looking how relieved Cure is
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Even more Fantasy from INnovation.
This series didn't really inspire much confidence in Cure's chances against TY in the finals though.
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On May 30 2020 15:07 Estraizher wrote: Finally a new champion yeah its been a while
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This series was great and nothing can change my mind, damn.
Also TY is going to destroy Cure.
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aw luck was not in inno's favour this series. hope cure can take the finals.
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Artosis bias bopped. Cure's proved himself plenty,
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INno had more than enough to defend that btw, his vikings and ravens were just way out of position
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On May 30 2020 15:07 digmouse wrote: New GSL champion here we go! fuck yea
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Aw damn - I tuned in just as Innovation gg'ed. Apparently I missed a very close series
Well won Cure!
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Cure almost threw that series, close one!
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On May 30 2020 15:08 Die4Ever wrote:fuck yea It's the 3rd new GSL champion in a row.
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Tastetosis so biased against cure until the end. Happy for him.
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This is why I always disliked timing attack players - they get cheap wins even though they are overall much worse players compared to macro players.
BG.
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TY has full 7 game to watch how Cure plays his TvT, hoping for not a bop in finals at least
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On May 30 2020 15:09 MockHamill wrote: This is why I always disliked timing attack players - they get cheap wins even though they are overall much worse players compared to macro players.
BG.
Don't worry, TY will sort him out
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On May 30 2020 15:09 MockHamill wrote: This is why I always disliked timing attack players - they get cheap wins even though they are overall much worse players compared to macro players.
BG. I also dislike when people decide to play a video game in a way that I ideologically disapprove of.
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GG Cure, as expected INno is overrated due to his online record.
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Canada8772 Posts
Honestly I feel worst about Cure after his win than before, INno bungled that g7
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On May 30 2020 15:08 sudete wrote: TY 4-0
That will be beautiful to watch!
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the semis went almost max maps so the finals will be a 4-0 for sure
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welp there's always gsl season 3 for inno
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On May 30 2020 15:09 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:09 MockHamill wrote: This is why I always disliked timing attack players - they get cheap wins even though they are overall much worse players compared to macro players.
BG. I also dislike when people decide to play a video game in a way that I ideologically disapprove of.
Lol it's also a big stretch to call Cure a timing attack player, the guy is super legit in the other matchups. Using the same logic, you could give Inno a lot of shit for both his TvP and TvZ.
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On May 30 2020 15:11 Nakajin wrote: Honestly I feel worst about Cure after his win than before, INno bungled that g7
Inno bungled 3 games like an idiot, ok 2 games, the reaper/hellion game was such a dice roll.
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TY vs cute
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On May 30 2020 15:09 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:09 MockHamill wrote: This is why I always disliked timing attack players - they get cheap wins even though they are overall much worse players compared to macro players.
BG. I also dislike when people decide to play a video game in a way that I ideologically disapprove of. you see a lot of this with speedruns too, people get so mad when someone gets Mario to move through a wall lol, cry more
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On May 30 2020 15:09 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:09 MockHamill wrote: This is why I always disliked timing attack players - they get cheap wins even though they are overall much worse players compared to macro players.
BG. I also dislike when people decide to play a video game in a way that I ideologically disapprove of. Typically timing attack players win less often though. Or have a habit of eliminating 'better' players from tournaments and then losing quickly in the following rounds.
It makes sense to cheer for them less than well rounded or macro players (for some people).
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We got the TvT finals that's somehow Maru or Innovation is not on it after that RO16
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On May 30 2020 15:04 Lexender wrote: Cures auto turrets: 2 SCVs
Innos auto turrets: 4 SCVs
Its almost comical.
On May 30 2020 15:12 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:11 Nakajin wrote: Honestly I feel worst about Cure after his win than before, INno bungled that g7 Inno bungled 3 games like an idiot, ok 2 games, the reaper/hellion game was such a dice roll.
Funny, isn't it ? Cure was just better, there is nothing wrong, the cast was really biased and so was the LR.
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imagine hating on Cure right now
dude grinded for YEARS and always brought a high level of skill, but has nothing to show for it
let the dog have his day
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On May 30 2020 15:13 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:09 Ej_ wrote:On May 30 2020 15:09 MockHamill wrote: This is why I always disliked timing attack players - they get cheap wins even though they are overall much worse players compared to macro players.
BG. I also dislike when people decide to play a video game in a way that I ideologically disapprove of. Typically timing attack players win less often though. Or have a habit of eliminating 'better' players from tournaments and then losing quickly in the following rounds. It makes sense to cheer for them less than well rounded or macro players (for some people).
TY is a well rounded macro player, Maru is a well rounded macro player, INno isn't a well rounded macro player.
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this tournament had no bad outcome for me even before this match (refer to sig for further information) but i thoroughly enjoyed this series and i am glad my boy Cure gets what he deserves
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Anyone else remember this from 6 years ago?Super close semis between these two. Cure clutched it out this time. What a series!
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On May 30 2020 15:15 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:13 Fango wrote:On May 30 2020 15:09 Ej_ wrote:On May 30 2020 15:09 MockHamill wrote: This is why I always disliked timing attack players - they get cheap wins even though they are overall much worse players compared to macro players.
BG. I also dislike when people decide to play a video game in a way that I ideologically disapprove of. Typically timing attack players win less often though. Or have a habit of eliminating 'better' players from tournaments and then losing quickly in the following rounds. It makes sense to cheer for them less than well rounded or macro players (for some people). TY is a well rounded macro player, Maru is a well rounded macro player, INno isn't a well rounded macro player. I never actually said he was. But he's better than Cure (at least in this series).
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Canada8772 Posts
On May 30 2020 15:15 BerserkSword wrote: imagine hating on Cure right now
dude grinded for YEARS and always brought a high level of skill, but has nothing to show for it
let the dog have his day
But INno played all those lol games and he now can't have a symetrical trophy shelf with just 3 GSL trophy
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can't really fault cure for being weaker TvT lategame player than inno. Back in 2017, gumiho was possibly the best TvTer and I felt like his style was pretty aggressive like cure's. it's just another way of playing the matchup.
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On May 30 2020 15:18 Wolf wrote:Anyone else remember this from 6 years ago?Super close semis between these two. Cure clutched it out this time. What a series! Funnily enough, Cure also got smashed in the only marine/tank mirror they played back then.
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On May 30 2020 15:18 Wolf wrote:Anyone else remember this from 6 years ago?Super close semis between these two. Cure clutched it out this time. What a series! I was a bit afraid we'd get the same outcome after game 6
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On May 30 2020 15:19 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:15 BerserkSword wrote: imagine hating on Cure right now
dude grinded for YEARS and always brought a high level of skill, but has nothing to show for it
let the dog have his day But INno played all those lol games and he now can't have a symetrical trophy shelf with just 3 GSL trophy
Innovation will probably still be contending when he's in 30s anyway. he haas plenty of time
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On May 30 2020 15:18 Wolf wrote:Anyone else remember this from 6 years ago?Super close semis between these two. Cure clutched it out this time. What a series!
No manner mules this time.
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On May 30 2020 15:21 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:19 Nakajin wrote:On May 30 2020 15:15 BerserkSword wrote: imagine hating on Cure right now
dude grinded for YEARS and always brought a high level of skill, but has nothing to show for it
let the dog have his day But INno played all those lol games and he now can't have a symetrical trophy shelf with just 3 GSL trophy Innovation will probably still be contending when he's in 30s anyway. he haas plenty of time
Depends whether Blizzard continue to fund it for the next 4-5 years.
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On May 30 2020 15:23 rednusa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:21 BerserkSword wrote:On May 30 2020 15:19 Nakajin wrote:On May 30 2020 15:15 BerserkSword wrote: imagine hating on Cure right now
dude grinded for YEARS and always brought a high level of skill, but has nothing to show for it
let the dog have his day But INno played all those lol games and he now can't have a symetrical trophy shelf with just 3 GSL trophy Innovation will probably still be contending when he's in 30s anyway. he haas plenty of time Depends whether Blizzard continue to fund it for the next 4-5 years.
by then Wardi Inc. will have monopoly on the pro scene anyway
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On May 30 2020 15:27 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:23 rednusa wrote:On May 30 2020 15:21 BerserkSword wrote:On May 30 2020 15:19 Nakajin wrote:On May 30 2020 15:15 BerserkSword wrote: imagine hating on Cure right now
dude grinded for YEARS and always brought a high level of skill, but has nothing to show for it
let the dog have his day But INno played all those lol games and he now can't have a symetrical trophy shelf with just 3 GSL trophy Innovation will probably still be contending when he's in 30s anyway. he haas plenty of time Depends whether Blizzard continue to fund it for the next 4-5 years. by then Wardi Inc. will have monopoly on the pro scene anyway once Wardi figures out how to cast two tournaments at the same time, his ascent will be unstoppable
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On May 30 2020 15:18 Wolf wrote:Anyone else remember this from 6 years ago?Super close semis between these two. Cure clutched it out this time. What a series!
Crazy to think that this was 6 years ago. It feels like time in SC2 has been moving slower in recent years, with the player base stabilizing and pro players playing for longer. Hell, Nestea basically only had a career of 2 years in SC2, and Mvp really only played SC2 for about 3 years before injury
Back in 2010-2013, it felt like every month there was a new rising superstar.
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On May 30 2020 15:14 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:04 Lexender wrote: Cures auto turrets: 2 SCVs
Innos auto turrets: 4 SCVs
Its almost comical. Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:12 Lexender wrote:On May 30 2020 15:11 Nakajin wrote: Honestly I feel worst about Cure after his win than before, INno bungled that g7 Inno bungled 3 games like an idiot, ok 2 games, the reaper/hellion game was such a dice roll. Funny, isn't it ? Cure was just better, there is nothing wrong, the cast was really biased and so was the LR.
I mean Cure did what everyone thought he was going to do, Inno failed to respect that and and adapt and died for it.
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On May 30 2020 15:30 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:27 BerserkSword wrote:On May 30 2020 15:23 rednusa wrote:On May 30 2020 15:21 BerserkSword wrote:On May 30 2020 15:19 Nakajin wrote:On May 30 2020 15:15 BerserkSword wrote: imagine hating on Cure right now
dude grinded for YEARS and always brought a high level of skill, but has nothing to show for it
let the dog have his day But INno played all those lol games and he now can't have a symetrical trophy shelf with just 3 GSL trophy Innovation will probably still be contending when he's in 30s anyway. he haas plenty of time Depends whether Blizzard continue to fund it for the next 4-5 years. by then Wardi Inc. will have monopoly on the pro scene anyway once Wardi figures out how to cast two tournaments at the same time, his ascent will be unstoppable
With the development of the Wardi text-to-speech NLP bot (WardiBots), individuals will be able to purchase their own WardiBots to commentate on any game at any point in time. 5 years from now, WardiBots will also handle the vast majority of automated sports commentary with simulated twitch chat scrolling by on the right side of the screen
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On May 30 2020 15:48 sudete wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:30 Schelim wrote:On May 30 2020 15:27 BerserkSword wrote:On May 30 2020 15:23 rednusa wrote:On May 30 2020 15:21 BerserkSword wrote:On May 30 2020 15:19 Nakajin wrote:On May 30 2020 15:15 BerserkSword wrote: imagine hating on Cure right now
dude grinded for YEARS and always brought a high level of skill, but has nothing to show for it
let the dog have his day But INno played all those lol games and he now can't have a symetrical trophy shelf with just 3 GSL trophy Innovation will probably still be contending when he's in 30s anyway. he haas plenty of time Depends whether Blizzard continue to fund it for the next 4-5 years. by then Wardi Inc. will have monopoly on the pro scene anyway once Wardi figures out how to cast two tournaments at the same time, his ascent will be unstoppable With the development of the Wardi text-to-speech NLP bot (WardiBots), individuals will be able to purchase their own WardiBots to commentate on any game at any point in time. 5 years from now, WardiBots will also handle the vast majority of automated sports commentary with simulated twitch chat scrolling by on the right side of the screen oh, do they need any help in developing that? i need a job anyway...
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France12466 Posts
Nooo INno lost. Hopefully TY wins then.
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Well I have to say, good job Cure for making this work. But neither of them really impressed me that much today. I feel like there was a ton of unforced weirdness and errors in these games. So I'm not really convinced Cure's gonna be able to avoid avoid TY killing all of DPG in the playoffs.
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On May 30 2020 17:24 Poopi wrote: Nooo INno lost. Hopefully TY wins then.
He should. I believe he is the much smarter player and has 7 games to study. How much more can Cure really come up with?
Watching game 5, it seemed like all Inno had to do was somehow stabilizing on 3 bases, and his superior positional game would win.
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On May 30 2020 14:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 14:10 Fango wrote:On May 30 2020 14:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are 5 reaper + 3 hellion pushes a meta thing now? Lmao. They've been meta for about two months now. Since the Maru vs INno match in super tournament at least People have been doing it from time to time. But it hasn't been so common that I'd expect to see both players go for it. its been a thing since you could build reapers with reactor
legend has it that one day a terran opened with 1/1/1 reactor rax, and thought, wait instead of lifting this for hellions, i can build reactored reapers
his starport finished quickly thereafter and he thought... my reapers can jump, my hellions cannot. my hellions can't be healed by a medicac, but my reapers can
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On May 30 2020 15:09 sudete wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:09 MockHamill wrote: This is why I always disliked timing attack players - they get cheap wins even though they are overall much worse players compared to macro players.
BG. Don't worry, TY will sort him out
cure gonna spank ty if he can beat inno
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I had feeling that Cure could make the finals ever since he whupped TY in the group stage. He was out-THINKING TY. Whataman.
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On May 30 2020 18:00 c0sm0naut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 15:09 sudete wrote:On May 30 2020 15:09 MockHamill wrote: This is why I always disliked timing attack players - they get cheap wins even though they are overall much worse players compared to macro players.
BG. Don't worry, TY will sort him out cure gonna spank ty if he can beat inno Well I don't think we saw the best version of either player today and if this season of GSL has shown anything it's that if you don't bring your best version to the GSL studio TY is not going to let you get away with it.
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Wow congrats Cure! That was a really cool upset. Yeah, he got lucky in a couple of games, but INno was making risky moves also, doom drops are so coin flippy.....
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Inno threw the game on Golden Wall, why expand on the bottom when you know cure is there??? Well, unfortunate, I don't feel like watching a mirror finals without a player I enjoy rooting for...
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A decent series, glad INno made it close but so disappointed he couldn't reach the final, hopefully he keeps working hard and wins S2
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For me this was a pretty entertaining series, not the highest level of play, but I don't mind that. If you win 4 out of 7 maps, you deserve to win, that is pretty much it. Or the other way around: it is hard to claim that one is in principle the clearly superior player when he manages to lose 4 out of 7 maps. I believe this is gonna be a pretty sweet finals.
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I'm very glad that Cure won! I like him and his cinderella story, he has now his chance to emulate Byun converting his online dominance into offline titles.
Also, Cure just gave us another new Code S champion, disconfessed all those who were already calling Inno the champion and saved us from the rethoric of the unstoppable god resurrected one more time.
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you can almost feel people having flashbacks to ladder games they lost when they complain incoherently about players who attack before the 40 minute mark
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On May 30 2020 20:32 brickrd wrote: you can almost feel people having flashbacks to ladder games they lost when they complain incoherently about players who attack before the 40 minute mark
yeah, some coments on this thread are hillarious:
- Innovations goes full greedy and doesn't gets cut -> OMG great macro play by INno GGs. - Cure scouts greediness and attacks -> gtfo you cheeser.
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Great Prep from Cure, although that mech vs mech game 2 was eye opening for me (although it felt that inno had Cure's number in that game)
Couple of wild games in the middle and I felt that they were putting down Cure a little too much... dude obviously had a great game plan (and obviously a bit of luck, that hellion+reaper mirror was jokes)
Hopefully TY and Cure will be a great finals! Any time there is more Mech I am a happy man
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Great Prep from Cure, although that mech vs mech game 2 was eye opening for me (although it felt that inno had Cure's number in that game)
Has there ever been an asymmetrical mech mirror pro game before? I certainly don't recall Thor/Cyclone/Raven/Liberator working.
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congratz Cure one more series for your trophy
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Hey guys, does anyone know why Cure left Jin Air? He wasn't good enough or did he want to become a lone wolf?
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On May 31 2020 06:24 SeigeTankEmAll wrote: Hey guys, does anyone know why Cure left Jin Air? He wasn't good enough or did he want to become a lone wolf?
He's not a lone wolf, he is at Dragon Phoenix Gaming, where he gets a higher salary than before at Jin Air.
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It was all about money, no drama?
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On May 31 2020 08:03 SeigeTankEmAll wrote: It was all about money, no drama?
Pretty sure it was just about the money.
In fact cure recently said that he still goes to the jagw house to practice and drink with his boys a lot
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Ah I see, thank you. I was shocked to find out he left JAGW. I originally thought he had left because of power struggle with Maru and wanted to get more fame.
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Northern Ireland20729 Posts
That mech v mech game was good fun especially, WP Cure it’s great that a mainstay of the scene is breaking through in the prestige tournament.
Sad as I love Inno but hopefully he’ll keep this level up after a pretty mediocre 2019 by his high standards.
I’d favour TY for sure, especially as he has a full 7 map series to study but then again I think most favoured Inno going in here.
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as much as I hate to see Terran wins (ESPECIALLY in GSL) at the very least the two Good Guy Terrans I can genuinely feel good about seeing win are in the Finals.
Gogo CURE
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That first game in this series was very impressive. The tactical moves by Cure in the last five minutes are well worth a review on their own. He sacrificed four medevacs of marines and tanks in the main of Inno just to instead focus on attacking the entry of Innos base at the same time. It was f**king beautiful.
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Are there any good games to watch? Thank you beforehand.
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