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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12502 Posts
May 13 2020 12:27 GMT
#461
On May 13 2020 21:19 stilt wrote:
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On May 13 2020 21:11 Nebuchad wrote:
The gap in race results between foreigners and Koreans is one of the most interesting things about SC2. It's not difficult to explain but it's a stark contrast.


Indeed, it's quite crazy. It's hard to explain why there is such a contrast at the source but since 2012, it feels easier for a eu zerg to be on top just because there are a lot of them at a very good/top level which is good for talent pool/sharing of info.
Even if you're talking about meta/efficient comp, there are large differences.
Korean Zergs refused to use infestor for a long time (players like Kyrix even thought it was not viable).
And it's the same for turtle sh, only eu zergs really used it, Soulkey didn't really go full turtle mod and other zergs like soO/Byul prefered suiciding mass BL/ultra to the 4pop, 15 range ground/air tempest until Life used it at the end of 2014 after losing badly to Zest in Toronto.


I don't think it's that hard to explain. It's about a strategy being easier to do than to counter. To know that this strategy is OP, you have to have developed it to its full potential. But you would only do that if you win most of your games with it, like the Europeans did, because their opponents were a bit weaker and couldn't beat the unrefined versions of the build. In Korea you would do the roach into broodlord infestor build and then you'd die, a lot, because you didn't know how to do the build perfectly yet and the opponent was PartinG. So instead you'd do builds that are a little bit safer against PartinG, but weaker overall because they don't get to the OP composition as fast.

I get why Jonnyrecco would figure out how to do this perfectly and HyuN wouldn't. They had different incentives based on population.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
May 13 2020 12:27 GMT
#462
Trap's micro during big fights is.....questionable today.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
May 13 2020 12:28 GMT
#463
Trap is not looking too hot in PvT today. His engagements compared to PartinG's are real ugly.
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
May 13 2020 12:28 GMT
#464
Also, the existence of these destructible debris fields in the middle of the city is a damning statement to the recycling attitude of these people. It's not Naples level of non-functioning trash transport, but it's not exactly great.
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Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
May 13 2020 12:28 GMT
#465
finally trap realizes you make disruptors to win in this MU
~~~~~
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
May 13 2020 12:29 GMT
#466
Artosis' use of the word "technicality" is very interesting, are they trolling us?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-13 12:30:14
May 13 2020 12:29 GMT
#467
On May 13 2020 21:25 Elentos wrote:
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On May 13 2020 21:23 stilt wrote:
On May 13 2020 21:18 Elentos wrote:
On May 13 2020 21:16 darklycid wrote:
On May 13 2020 21:16 Fango wrote:
Zerg was close to being the strongest korean race but soO/Dark like to choke and Life decided to get arrested.

Terran being dominant in korea and seemingly unplayable outside it will always be baffling, though.

Currently terran is looking pretty goodish outside of korea tho.

Until the big offline events happen again and all the decent non-Korean Terrans finally remind everyone that they have no clutch factor.


Clutch factor wasn't what they missed overall, they were just behind... I feel like the current foreigner T have never been as strong as they are now, even if Lucifron/Thorzain were amazing.

No I'm literally talking about the ones that are good now. Not the ones who used to be. They're a group of people who performs best before all the chips are down and then crumble under the pressure.


HM is just super solid and stable, Special managed to get great results, I don't think they lose because they crumbled under pressure. Soul and maybe Uthermal correspond a bit more to your description I guess.
And Clem might be a bit shaky sometimes but he seems to have pass a signficant landmark, I might be biaised toward my fellow countryman but he seems sharper than last year and I have good expectations for this year.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
May 13 2020 12:29 GMT
#468
On May 13 2020 21:28 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Also, the existence of these destructible debris fields in the middle of the city is a damning statement to the recycling attitude of these people. It's not Naples level of non-functioning trash transport, but it's not exactly great.

well at least when you shoot at it it eventually dissipates into nothingness
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3560 Posts
May 13 2020 12:30 GMT
#469
Well now he's Dead as he got completely outpositioned.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12133 Posts
May 13 2020 12:30 GMT
#470
Bunny eating every aoe protoss throws at him... dude!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
May 13 2020 12:31 GMT
#471
Parting is the only player to actually look good today.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
May 13 2020 12:31 GMT
#472
Bunny's going to detach his tail
I Protoss winner, could it be?
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3560 Posts
May 13 2020 12:32 GMT
#473
Imagine Bunny having good multitasking and not f2 his army to the top where some zealots were.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12133 Posts
May 13 2020 12:33 GMT
#474
On May 13 2020 21:32 darklycid wrote:
Imagine Bunny having good multitasking and not f2 his army to the top where some zealots were.

Or him splitting!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13325 Posts
May 13 2020 12:33 GMT
#475
Wow Trap vetoing Obsidian, damn jin air scum
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
May 13 2020 12:35 GMT
#476
Artosis doesn't skip leg day.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
May 13 2020 12:35 GMT
#477
On May 13 2020 21:33 Durnuu wrote:
Wow Trap vetoing Obsidian, damn jin air scum

Someone should host a separate GSL playoff tournament between all the players who didn't veto Obsidian. And make every map Obsidian.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 13 2020 12:36 GMT
#478
On the plus side Dark's looking to join the elite club of winning while being the only player of your race in the ro8
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3560 Posts
May 13 2020 12:37 GMT
#479
On May 13 2020 21:36 Fango wrote:
On the plus side Dark's looking to join the elite club of winning while being the only player of your race in the ro8

Just you wait for Rag to top group D
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
May 13 2020 12:37 GMT
#480
On May 13 2020 21:36 Fango wrote:
On the plus side Dark's looking to join the elite club of winning while being the only player of your race in the ro8

And the club of GSL champions with destroyed wrists. But if Dark plays like in the Ro16 he has no hope of winning this tournament.
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