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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
May 09 2020 08:12 GMT
#261
On May 09 2020 16:16 Fango wrote:
TY has made 10/12 GSL playoffs in LotV. Still more than any other player

Stats has only made 5, INnoVation only 3, and Maru 7.

I have a spreadsheet with the LotV GSL results of all players in this Ro16 (things I do when I'm bored ). TY's average GSL result this expansion is Ro8, the only other player who matches that is Dark who has a slightly better average because he has 0 Ro32 eliminations.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 09 2020 08:20 GMT
#262
On May 09 2020 16:55 Vanadiel wrote:
Yeah that's true. Isn't ty the king of leading 2-0 and then lose 3-2?

I've said this before, but he would have been called a bonjwa in 2017 if he had won all the series he lost 3-2 after going up 2-0. Almost all those matches were against the opponents that would have been his biggest challenge in each given event.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 09 2020 08:26 GMT
#263
On May 09 2020 17:12 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2020 16:16 Fango wrote:
TY has made 10/12 GSL playoffs in LotV. Still more than any other player

Stats has only made 5, INnoVation only 3, and Maru 7.

I have a spreadsheet with the LotV GSL results of all players in this Ro16 (things I do when I'm bored ). TY's average GSL result this expansion is Ro8, the only other player who matches that is Dark who has a slightly better average because he has 0 Ro32 eliminations.

Surely there's no way Maru averages lower than ro8 right? Out of 11 seasons he's only finished below ro8 4 times (with the above scores including 4 wins and 2 ro4s).
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-09 08:29:58
May 09 2020 08:26 GMT
#264
On May 09 2020 17:20 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2020 16:55 Vanadiel wrote:
Yeah that's true. Isn't ty the king of leading 2-0 and then lose 3-2?

I've said this before, but he would have been called a bonjwa in 2017 if he had won all the series he lost 3-2 after going up 2-0. Almost all those matches were against the opponents that would have been his biggest challenge in each given event.

Well I do believe 2017 is simultaneously the best and most disappointing year of TY's career, but he definitely wouldn't have auto-won 2 GSLs, IEM and Blizzcon by winning a 3rd map in each of those series. Well probably Blizzcon cause soO in the finals would have been his last opponent.
On May 09 2020 17:26 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2020 17:12 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2020 16:16 Fango wrote:
TY has made 10/12 GSL playoffs in LotV. Still more than any other player

Stats has only made 5, INnoVation only 3, and Maru 7.

I have a spreadsheet with the LotV GSL results of all players in this Ro16 (things I do when I'm bored ). TY's average GSL result this expansion is Ro8, the only other player who matches that is Dark who has a slightly better average because he has 0 Ro32 eliminations.

Surely there's no way Maru averages lower than ro8 right? Out of 11 seasons he's only finished below ro8 4 times (with the above scores including 4 wins and 2 ro4s).

His average is exactly 9th place. This is mainly because he lost in Code A once (but also 2 Ro32 exits). If he had no losses before Ro16 like Dark, Maru would almost average Ro4.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
May 09 2020 09:16 GMT
#265
On May 09 2020 17:26 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2020 17:20 Fango wrote:
On May 09 2020 16:55 Vanadiel wrote:
Yeah that's true. Isn't ty the king of leading 2-0 and then lose 3-2?

I've said this before, but he would have been called a bonjwa in 2017 if he had won all the series he lost 3-2 after going up 2-0. Almost all those matches were against the opponents that would have been his biggest challenge in each given event.

Well I do believe 2017 is simultaneously the best and most disappointing year of TY's career, but he definitely wouldn't have auto-won 2 GSLs, IEM and Blizzcon by winning a 3rd map in each of those series. Well probably Blizzcon cause soO in the finals would have been his last opponent.
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2020 17:26 Fango wrote:
On May 09 2020 17:12 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2020 16:16 Fango wrote:
TY has made 10/12 GSL playoffs in LotV. Still more than any other player

Stats has only made 5, INnoVation only 3, and Maru 7.

I have a spreadsheet with the LotV GSL results of all players in this Ro16 (things I do when I'm bored ). TY's average GSL result this expansion is Ro8, the only other player who matches that is Dark who has a slightly better average because he has 0 Ro32 eliminations.

Surely there's no way Maru averages lower than ro8 right? Out of 11 seasons he's only finished below ro8 4 times (with the above scores including 4 wins and 2 ro4s).

His average is exactly 9th place. This is mainly because he lost in Code A once (but also 2 Ro32 exits). If he had no losses before Ro16 like Dark, Maru would almost average Ro4.

Did you calculate that by using ro32 as 32, ro16 as 16 etc?
If so I think that's a flawed approach, since for example ro32 and ro8 would average out at 20, instead of the intuitive 16. (Bad results would weight more than good ones in general)
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-09 09:29:25
May 09 2020 09:26 GMT
#266
On May 09 2020 18:16 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2020 17:26 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2020 17:20 Fango wrote:
On May 09 2020 16:55 Vanadiel wrote:
Yeah that's true. Isn't ty the king of leading 2-0 and then lose 3-2?

I've said this before, but he would have been called a bonjwa in 2017 if he had won all the series he lost 3-2 after going up 2-0. Almost all those matches were against the opponents that would have been his biggest challenge in each given event.

Well I do believe 2017 is simultaneously the best and most disappointing year of TY's career, but he definitely wouldn't have auto-won 2 GSLs, IEM and Blizzcon by winning a 3rd map in each of those series. Well probably Blizzcon cause soO in the finals would have been his last opponent.
On May 09 2020 17:26 Fango wrote:
On May 09 2020 17:12 Elentos wrote:
On May 09 2020 16:16 Fango wrote:
TY has made 10/12 GSL playoffs in LotV. Still more than any other player

Stats has only made 5, INnoVation only 3, and Maru 7.

I have a spreadsheet with the LotV GSL results of all players in this Ro16 (things I do when I'm bored ). TY's average GSL result this expansion is Ro8, the only other player who matches that is Dark who has a slightly better average because he has 0 Ro32 eliminations.

Surely there's no way Maru averages lower than ro8 right? Out of 11 seasons he's only finished below ro8 4 times (with the above scores including 4 wins and 2 ro4s).

His average is exactly 9th place. This is mainly because he lost in Code A once (but also 2 Ro32 exits). If he had no losses before Ro16 like Dark, Maru would almost average Ro4.

Did you calculate that by using ro32 as 32, ro16 as 16 etc?
If so I think that's a flawed approach, since for example ro32 and ro8 would average out at 20, instead of the intuitive 16. (Bad results would weight more than good ones in general)

It's calculated optimistically. 4th place in Ro32 is 25, 3rd is 17. 4th place in Ro16 is 13, 3rd is 9. Ro8 is 5, Ro4 is 3. Because functionally those players that are eliminated in those rounds are all tied for the same position.

Not that it changes the order the players end up in.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4955 Posts
May 09 2020 09:35 GMT
#267
Just saw the games. Props to Cure for advancing and wtf Stats? I was expecting more of the shield of Aiur
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
May 09 2020 09:45 GMT
#268
On May 09 2020 18:35 Argonauta wrote:
Just saw the games. Props to Cure for advancing and wtf Stats? I was expecting more of the shield of Aiur

Even aside from the meta not being great for Stats' playstyle, I don't think he's really the same Stats he used to be. And today may have been the last time he plays GSL before military, I think Stats implied there was a possibility of this being his last GSL. Hope not though.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
May 09 2020 10:15 GMT
#269
On May 09 2020 15:40 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2020 15:39 BerserkSword wrote:
On May 09 2020 15:38 starkiller123 wrote:
ladder map when???? Also mech continues to be bad vs toss lol


TY has been doing well vs protoss with mech
Special (TY jr) killed neeb with mech recently too

I just think stats is the wrong person to go mech on a bit map with. like that year zero maru vs stats game last year

Wins against Neeb aren't worth much these days

Don't take that away from Rotterdam.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
May 09 2020 10:26 GMT
#270
well today's games did not live up to expectation. One cool game tho
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
May 09 2020 10:37 GMT
#271
wtf happened in Stats vs Solar G1?? HAHAHAHA
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16095 Posts
May 09 2020 10:51 GMT
#272
This group definitely didn't live up to its "almost GROUP OF DEATH" title.

But nonetheless, Cure and TY are advancing. The tournament is in a good place.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4955 Posts
May 09 2020 10:56 GMT
#273
On May 09 2020 18:45 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2020 18:35 Argonauta wrote:
Just saw the games. Props to Cure for advancing and wtf Stats? I was expecting more of the shield of Aiur

Even aside from the meta not being great for Stats' playstyle, I don't think he's really the same Stats he used to be. And today may have been the last time he plays GSL before military, I think Stats implied there was a possibility of this being his last GSL. Hope not though.


No he is not, I am not sure how the military works exactly in korea but maybe knowing you are going to expend 1 or 2 years isolated from family and friends and normal life in general makes you want to enjoy life more
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
May 09 2020 11:32 GMT
#274
On May 09 2020 19:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
This group definitely didn't live up to its "almost GROUP OF DEATH" title.

But nonetheless, Cure and TY are advancing. The tournament is in a good place.


Yeah, in a way. On paper it looked like the one with the most even chances for all. But part of that is that nobody was quite sure what kinda shape Cure and Solar would be in on the day. Cure goes through in first? A lot of us were hoping for something like that, but who had confidence in predicting this outcome? Similarly, Solar out last? This would be a reasonable thing to guess for this group, but I really didn't expect him to get THAT wrecked. What I'm saying is that you're right that it wasn't close in the classic group of death way, but the final outcome was, I think, as unpredictable as it looked beforehand.
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28500 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-09 12:16:37
May 09 2020 12:16 GMT
#275
I swear I'm quantum entangled with solar somehow; when I bet on him he immediately implodes and when I don't he kicks out all favorites.

Oh well, terraaaan
I Protoss winner, could it be?
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
May 09 2020 18:24 GMT
#276
Group B(op)
the farm ends here
jjmmtt
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
May 10 2020 03:46 GMT
#277
TY vs Dark. This is the best matchup in all Starcraft right here, this is what I think of when I think of Terran forces fighting the Zerg is with these two commanding.
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-10 05:04:20
May 10 2020 05:03 GMT
#278
+ Show Spoiler +
Loser's Match Game 2+ Show Spoiler +
Why does Stats dmg everything to red. Like perfect shade fakes. Then when it's time to kill everything, he engages the lings >< Soooo tilting howwwww.
edit* Oh and he all queen energy used....
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 10 2020 12:54 GMT
#279
On May 09 2020 17:26 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2020 17:20 Fango wrote:
On May 09 2020 16:55 Vanadiel wrote:
Yeah that's true. Isn't ty the king of leading 2-0 and then lose 3-2?

I've said this before, but he would have been called a bonjwa in 2017 if he had won all the series he lost 3-2 after going up 2-0. Almost all those matches were against the opponents that would have been his biggest challenge in each given event.

Well I do believe 2017 is simultaneously the best and most disappointing year of TY's career, but he definitely wouldn't have auto-won 2 GSLs, IEM and Blizzcon by winning a 3rd map in each of those series. Well probably Blizzcon cause soO in the finals would have been his last opponent

Maybe not auto won. But he would have been extremely favoured to win t least GSL season 2 and blizzcon. Both times he would have had to face soO in the finals, who even without the soO factor just didn't have great ZvT.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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