• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:45
CEST 07:45
KST 14:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch0Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
NaDa's Body Soulkey on ASL S20 BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1707 users

[NationWars 2019] Ro8 - Page 9

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 All
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
December 02 2019 00:08 GMT
#161
Wow. Can’t believe Germany lost
TL+ Member
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-02 08:07:37
December 02 2019 08:07 GMT
#162
This one's hard to stomach. Really thought we had a good shot at going all the way this year.
Really feel like we are always punching under our weight at these Nation Wars.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6951 Posts
December 02 2019 09:28 GMT
#163
Just caught up with the vods: What the hell Germany? Losing vs Frenchies is not okay!

On a related note, we just got drawn into a group with France and CR7 in the Euros 2020. Brutal group F death
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25665 Posts
December 02 2019 11:15 GMT
#164
On December 02 2019 06:46 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2019 06:41 Supter wrote:
A few months from now Clem will be the undisputed second best foreign terran. He's improving so much so fast.


Is Special even undisputably better right now? In TvP, Special is almost certainly worse, and they went out in the same round in HSC, Special with the easier matchup.

I think Clem hasn’t had that breakout tournament just yet to put him ahead of Special or HeRoMaRinE quite just yet, but he’s definitely got the potential to outstrip them.

Special is a pretty damn good preparation player though, I’d give him the edge over the rest of the foreign field in scenarios where that comes into play.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
December 02 2019 13:24 GMT
#165
Special worse than Clem in TvP?

The same special that has been eliminating guys like sos, neeb, parting etc all year? The one that classic wouldn’t draft into his code s group?

Special is one of the best tvpers in the world imo. He hates Protoss with such a passion that he’s now quite the tvp beast lol. It’s the only matchup I see special punching above his weight
TL+ Member
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25665 Posts
December 02 2019 13:40 GMT
#166
On December 02 2019 22:24 BerserkSword wrote:
Special worse than Clem in TvP?

The same special that has been eliminating guys like sos, neeb, parting etc all year? The one that classic wouldn’t draft into his code s group?

Special is one of the best tvpers in the world imo. He hates Protoss with such a passion that he’s now quite the tvp beast lol. It’s the only matchup I see special punching above his weight

This tends to happen if he has some prep time and in those scenarios he is indeed a beast.

If we did a marathon run where Special and Clem have to play 10 TvPs vs a series of blind opponents I’m not sure Special does much better than Clem, if at all.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6951 Posts
December 02 2019 13:49 GMT
#167
Really curious how France will play against Korea. Hometeam vs jetlagged Koreans should be equalizing if not favoring France.

And ofc the next iteration of Serral vs Reynor. Somehow I don't get tired of these two battling it out (yet).
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1923 Posts
December 02 2019 13:52 GMT
#168
On December 02 2019 22:40 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2019 22:24 BerserkSword wrote:
Special worse than Clem in TvP?

The same special that has been eliminating guys like sos, neeb, parting etc all year? The one that classic wouldn’t draft into his code s group?

Special is one of the best tvpers in the world imo. He hates Protoss with such a passion that he’s now quite the tvp beast lol. It’s the only matchup I see special punching above his weight

This tends to happen if he has some prep time and in those scenarios he is indeed a beast.

If we did a marathon run where Special and Clem have to play 10 TvPs vs a series of blind opponents I’m not sure Special does much better than Clem, if at all.


Also check out Clem vs MaNa from Nationwars. Great game I will be very disappointed if does not make it to "best games of the month." MaNa is no slouch and showed he is in great shape at HSC a week later.
Buff the siegetank
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
December 03 2019 08:26 GMT
#169
On December 02 2019 22:40 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2019 22:24 BerserkSword wrote:
Special worse than Clem in TvP?

The same special that has been eliminating guys like sos, neeb, parting etc all year? The one that classic wouldn’t draft into his code s group?

Special is one of the best tvpers in the world imo. He hates Protoss with such a passion that he’s now quite the tvp beast lol. It’s the only matchup I see special punching above his weight

This tends to happen if he has some prep time and in those scenarios he is indeed a beast.

If we did a marathon run where Special and Clem have to play 10 TvPs vs a series of blind opponents I’m not sure Special does much better than Clem, if at all.


i know clem is like 7k mmr on EU ladder or something, but special even has better weekender TvP than clem.

Special overall just has better tournament TvP than clem which, imo, means his TvP is better.

idk i personally just place tournament ability over ladder ability. Special's TvP is very impressive.
TL+ Member
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
December 03 2019 08:37 GMT
#170
On December 02 2019 22:49 Harris1st wrote:
Really curious how France will play against Korea. Hometeam vs jetlagged Koreans should be equalizing if not favoring France.

And ofc the next iteration of Serral vs Reynor. Somehow I don't get tired of these two battling it out (yet).

Korean players will have 4 days to fight against the jetlag, it should be ok for them.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Prev 1 7 8 9 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 15m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech75
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 355
JulyZerg 49
Nal_rA 33
Bale 20
SilentControl 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Icarus 6
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm142
League of Legends
JimRising 668
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K677
Coldzera 354
Other Games
summit1g8316
C9.Mang0376
XaKoH 136
ViBE35
Trikslyr23
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick712
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 43
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1117
• Stunt429
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
4h 15m
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
Map Test Tournament
5h 15m
The PondCast
7h 15m
RSL Revival
1d 4h
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
1d 21h
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Online Event
3 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.