EPTINnoVation wins TL community GOAT contest - Page 3
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Waxangel
United States33466 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
I actually missed a handful of the voting rounds but I am happy to see that things unfolded just the way I would have voted anyway ^^ On August 04 2019 11:46 Pangpootata wrote: Inno can win the SC2 greatest player vote, but can't win the GSL vs the World vote  Edit: Notice the top 4 are 3 terrans and 1 zerg? Just like how the bonjwas in BW were boxer, oov, Nada, savior I remember the good old times when boxer and oov were dominating the competition. I regret to have skipped following bw during the Nada and savior eras and only returned afterwards. But even then it is obviously a blasphemy to mention the bw bonjwas and omit Flash, who won 5 out of 6 individual tournaments in a single year (never mind his proleague and WCG achievements), and Jaedong who reached 4/6 individual tournament finals in a single year while being a proleague monster; And let's not forget that he still won 5 star leagues + GOMTV win + WCG + getting a lifttime of ~73% wins in the "coinflip" matchup - zvz (and even "85.7% wins since December 2007 up to June 2009"). Talking about bonjwas and not mentioning Flash and Jeadong seems simply absurd. | ||
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Xamo
Spain881 Posts
Tesagi btw. Thanks Nakajin, this was a lot of fun. | ||
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25933 Posts
Perhaps we shouldn’t tell him, us Inno appreciators want to see him out of his slump, perhaps this would kill his motivation in a ‘no worlds left to conquer’ sense | ||
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Sorathez
Australia209 Posts
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zZzleepyhead
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Classic shouldve made the list. | ||
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RatzBarcode
United States98 Posts
On August 07 2019 08:46 Waxangel wrote: Not a surprise, not THAT controversial. I was more miffed with some of the lower round snubs like sOs or MMA. sOs had those two really big prize wins but not much else. Probably has underachieved in GSL relative to his skill level. Only has 1 Silver (maybe some Ro4s?) and his probably the best player to have not won except for SoO, Taeja, and Solar if you don't count the SSL. MMA hasn't been relevent since he won a WCS EU and had a silver in Blizzcon out of nowhere, losing to the Dark Lord. That was in 2013 and 2014, i think. He beat MVP but lost to MKP, he pioneered heavy drop play, and had great TvT. He's like the 10th to 15th best player in SC2 history. A lot of players have had longer and nicer careers. ZZsleepyhead, while I do think MVP is loved a bit too much, what was he to do? He can't play an SC2 that he aged out of. He could only have beaten the people in front of him, which he did a lot of. Let's say he was born 3 years later, maybe he'd have been really good in HOTS before his injuries instead. Classic I feel has had an underrated career if you look at his hardware, he's actually probably the 2nd most accomplished Protoss behind Stats. He has more and better wins than MC, Parting, sOs, Dear, hero, and I think a slightly superior career to Zest, since Zest is so mercurial, and has shared a lot of his greatness period with Dear, and then the LOTV Protoss. | ||
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TheAnarchy
Chile1105 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25933 Posts
On August 09 2019 16:11 zZzleepyhead wrote: Am i the only one who thinks its wrong to have him in the running for GOAT? Hes been gone from the scene for so long I just dont care about him anymore. He played a primitive SC2. Sure, conquering the wild west requires its own set of skills, but mastering what we have now is more impressive. Classic shouldve made the list. Blasphemy. Nah but being serious being a strategy game especially I think fleshing out the game is a big part of greatness, arguably one a bit underrated in this poll even. Any top player by default will be better nowadays after years of development (and a faster expansion which emphasises mechanics even more), but not many planned series and overcame inferior mechanics like Mvp did frequently. Shame about the injuries really. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33466 Posts
On August 09 2019 17:28 RatzBarcode wrote: sOs had those two really big prize wins but not much else. Probably has underachieved in GSL relative to his skill level. Only has 1 Silver (maybe some Ro4s?) and his probably the best player to have not won except for SoO, Taeja, and Solar if you don't count the SSL. MMA hasn't been relevent since he won a WCS EU and had a silver in Blizzcon out of nowhere, losing to the Dark Lord. That was in 2013 and 2014, i think. He beat MVP but lost to MKP, he pioneered heavy drop play, and had great TvT. He's like the 10th to 15th best player in SC2 history. A lot of players have had longer and nicer careers. Eras are different—you don't devalue everything done in the past because everyone is better now. I think baseball, soccer, basketball, etc have it right—players from 100 years ago (who would absolutely suck now) are revered for their achievements in that place in time. Regarding sOs, he's the only player to win the most important annual tournament TWICE. Given how progamers themselves talk about BlizzCon, it's actually a bit crazy how fans (well, a specific TYPE of fan on TL) overvalue Code S in comparison. | ||
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BlazingGlory
Bulgaria855 Posts
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