Okay yeah for anyone who doesn't think there's any sort of problem with PvT interactions right now, on even supply, Dear just pushed 7 tanks with clumped units through the slow zones (in range of ALL the tanks) and just absolutely crushed Fantasy.

Penev

28512 Posts

July 17 2019 10:43 GMT

#47

the commentary isn't too bad btw, only Noregret is suffering from the "literally" plague a bit

nojok

France15845 Posts

July 17 2019 10:43 GMT

#48

I don't get fantasy's plan. Passive nothingness into waiting for toss to a move him.

Motlu

Australia884 Posts

July 17 2019 10:43 GMT

#49

These games have been so anti-climactic. Literally single fight games that end at the first fight.

edit: the fantasy-dear games not the armani-gumi ones

HolydaKing

21254 Posts

July 17 2019 10:44 GMT

#50

On July 17 2019 19:43 nojok wrote:
I don't get fantasy's plan. Passive nothingness into waiting for toss to a move him.

It worked for him against Classic in online matches, although he played Mech there if I remember correctly.

Uolokio

5 Posts

July 17 2019 10:45 GMT

#51

On July 17 2019 19:42 RampancyTW wrote:
Okay yeah for anyone who doesn't think there's any sort of problem with PvT interactions right now, on even supply, Dear just pushed 7 tanks with clumped units through the slow zones (in range of ALL the tanks) and just absolutely crushed Fantasy.

You know that Terran has a beautiful unit against protoss called the liberator? No idea why fantasy thinks its ok not to make them

sneakyfox

8216 Posts

July 17 2019 10:48 GMT

#52

Armani 2-0 Gumiho. Wut?

DarkGamer

Germany323 Posts

July 17 2019 10:48 GMT

#53

On July 17 2019 19:43 nojok wrote:
I don't get fantasy's plan. Passive nothingness into waiting for toss to a move him.

1. game: greedy 3. CC WAY BEFORE toss -> should have resulted in a more powerful mid- and lategame. but he got a-clicked.
=> my assumption: unit composition worked well for dear and bad for fantasy. but something is wrong with tvp engagements / i think fantasy knows better then me/we.

2. game: nice drop + liberator harashment resulted in a forced 3. nexus cancel -> one more time a economic advantage for fantasy (in theorie). BUT one more time dear hits a timing, which i dont get. ironicly its through a slowing field!!!
=> my assiumption: same as game 1 but dear with other unit composition (can toss build whatever they want?!). tanks didnt work out. maybe u just NEED mines against toss (zlots)?

edit: libs / mines i think works better then tanks?! but as i said before: its madness to think that i / we know better then pro's who play 20+ games a day. there are many top terran players who play tanks against toss right now.

Penev

28512 Posts

July 17 2019 10:49 GMT

#54

On July 17 2019 19:48 sneakyfox wrote:
Armani 2-0 Gumiho. Wut?

yep in straight up macro games (swarm host vs mech)