On May 06 2019 19:05 HolydaKing wrote: Great preperation from Fantasy, I just hope Stats won't crush him (if he advances) and Fantasy ends up losing the elimination match.
I was thinking the same. rematch curse if he faces Rogue again. But I honestly think Leenock has a chance against Fantasy and he will defeat Rogue. Rogue is dropping hard this year.
On May 06 2019 19:13 Ej_ wrote: Stats with the fake all-in to force Zerg to stop droning into later all-in with better upgrades, so the zerg is underdroned AND has a shit army.
Honestly this is the most Protoss game I've seen in years.
On May 06 2019 19:27 Argonauta wrote: I would love to see the HOTS inmortal back
I like that they moved away from the hard counter aspect of it, just need to fix the robo cost to what it was before Blizz decided to add "variety" to Protoss openings :D
On May 06 2019 19:27 Argonauta wrote: I would love to see the HOTS inmortal back
I like that they moved away from the hard counter aspect of it, just need to fix the robo cost to what it was before Blizz decided to add "variety" to Protoss openings :D
well now they hard counter everything specially coupled with WP micro
On May 06 2019 19:27 Argonauta wrote: I would love to see the HOTS inmortal back
I like that they moved away from the hard counter aspect of it, just need to fix the robo cost to what it was before Blizz decided to add "variety" to Protoss openings :D
well now they hard counter everything specially coupled with WP micro
then maybe a slight number nerf would be more than enough, anything, but making units good versus specific unit types
On May 06 2019 19:41 Z3nith wrote: I love it when people complain about Protoss being a no skill race and then complain when warp prism micro, an example of Protoss skill, isn't nerfed.
On May 06 2019 19:41 Z3nith wrote: I love it when people complain about Protoss being a no skill race and then complain when warp prism micro, an example of Protoss skill, isn't nerfed.
The issue with warp prism micro is that there is no way to micro against it. It's a one sided interaction, where protoss controls everything and zerg controls nothing.
On May 06 2019 19:13 Ej_ wrote: Stats with the fake all-in to force Zerg to stop droning into later all-in with better upgrades, so the zerg is underdroned AND has a shit army.
Honestly this is the most Protoss game I've seen in years.
the current PvZ meta is pretty much the LotV economy version of 7gate/8gate from HotS
On May 06 2019 19:41 Z3nith wrote: I love it when people complain about Protoss being a no skill race and then complain when warp prism micro, an example of Protoss skill, isn't nerfed.
The issue with warp prism micro is that there is no way to micro against it. It's a one sided interaction, where protoss controls everything and zerg controls nothing.
So just like phoenix vs muta or forcefields vs your main base ramp, they've been foreshadowing this for years.
On May 06 2019 19:41 Z3nith wrote: I love it when people complain about Protoss being a no skill race and then complain when warp prism micro, an example of Protoss skill, isn't nerfed.
The issue with warp prism micro is that there is no way to micro against it. It's a one sided interaction, where protoss controls everything and zerg controls nothing.
remember when the counter to tankivacs became queens dropped from speed overlords?
On May 06 2019 19:41 Z3nith wrote: I love it when people complain about Protoss being a no skill race and then complain when warp prism micro, an example of Protoss skill, isn't nerfed.
The issue with warp prism micro is that there is no way to micro against it. It's a one sided interaction, where protoss controls everything and zerg controls nothing.
So just like phoenix vs muta or forcefields vs your main base ramp, they've been foreshadowing this for years.
Also revelation... Can't prevent it, can't get rid of it when it happens, can't really minimize it, lasts an eternity, can't do anything about it.
They should just nerf the warpin ability from the warp prism a little bit so it is not instant-reinforcement at the battlefield. I mean it is absurdly powerful at the moment
On May 06 2019 19:52 Nerchio wrote: They should just nerf the warpin ability from the warp prism a little bit so it is not instant-reinforcement at the battlefield. I mean it is absurdly powerful at the moment
Maybe if Warpprisms had the same warp-in speed as pylons by themselves? (i.e. slow)
On May 06 2019 19:52 Nerchio wrote: They should just nerf the warpin ability from the warp prism a little bit so it is not instant-reinforcement at the battlefield. I mean it is absurdly powerful at the moment
Maybe if Warpprisms had the same warp-in speed as pylons by themselves? (i.e. slow)
I would say protoss players would cry out of this world about this change but really anything like +2-3 seconds would already be quite big and would give other races more time to react.
On May 06 2019 19:41 Z3nith wrote: I love it when people complain about Protoss being a no skill race and then complain when warp prism micro, an example of Protoss skill, isn't nerfed.
The issue with warp prism micro is that there is no way to micro against it. It's a one sided interaction, where protoss controls everything and zerg controls nothing.
It's Leenock, he cheeses like 95% of the time, so Rogue can only blame himself, I think Leenock going through is good for Fanta cos I think Rogue would beat him in the rematch
Rogue cheesed so many people out of the GSL with nydus allin, it feels fantastic to see leenock give him a taste of his own medicine, plus it's great news for fantasy's chance of making ro16
On May 06 2019 20:38 fastr wrote: Rogue cheesed so many people out of the GSL with nydus allin, it feels fantastic to see leenock give him a taste of his own medicine, plus it's great news for fantasy's chance of making ro16
On May 06 2019 20:38 fastr wrote: Rogue cheesed so many people out of the GSL with nydus allin, it feels fantastic to see leenock give him a taste of his own medicine, plus it's great news for fantasy's chance of making ro16
i will never understand this "dirty cheeser" shit lol even innovation did 2rax and hellbats all the time when those were strong
On May 06 2019 20:38 fastr wrote: Rogue cheesed so many people out of the GSL with nydus allin, it feels fantastic to see leenock give him a taste of his own medicine, plus it's great news for fantasy's chance of making ro16
On May 06 2019 20:38 fastr wrote: Rogue cheesed so many people out of the GSL with nydus allin, it feels fantastic to see leenock give him a taste of his own medicine, plus it's great news for fantasy's chance of making ro16
i will never understand this "dirty cheeser" shit lol even innovation did 2rax and hellbats all the time when those were strong
Its mostly reserved for ppl that suck at long games compared to their normal opposition, which I think is very true in the case of Leencok
On May 06 2019 20:38 fastr wrote: Rogue cheesed so many people out of the GSL with nydus allin, it feels fantastic to see leenock give him a taste of his own medicine, plus it's great news for fantasy's chance of making ro16
i will never understand this "dirty cheeser" shit lol even innovation did 2rax and hellbats all the time when those were strong
Its mostly reserved for ppl that suck at long games compared to their normal opposition, which I think is very true in the case of Leencok
but that guy was calling rogue the cheeser ???
also, in game minutes aren't points that make you win so i still don't see why anyone cares
On May 06 2019 20:38 fastr wrote: Rogue cheesed so many people out of the GSL with nydus allin, it feels fantastic to see leenock give him a taste of his own medicine, plus it's great news for fantasy's chance of making ro16
i will never understand this "dirty cheeser" shit lol even innovation did 2rax and hellbats all the time when those were strong
Its mostly reserved for ppl that suck at long games compared to their normal opposition, which I think is very true in the case of Leencok
but that guy was calling rogue the cheeser ???
also, in game minutes aren't points that make you win so i still don't see why anyone cares
Because there are people that get snobbish about cheese and feel that there is somehow a right way to win games. If you win within the limits of the game it counts.
On May 06 2019 20:31 Nerchio wrote: Sorry but it is impossible not to see the spine coming up, i will just stop watching KR games
Actually also wondering about that. How do you not see that when it's in vision and not moving?
The observer tried to mimic Rogue's POV (or did he actually follow his camera view?) that if his camera was centred on hatch, it wasn't in his vision (but it was on the minimap.) Not very surprising considering how tilted Rogue looked after G1, he was probably going crazy in his head and not paying attention to spines in his base
On May 06 2019 20:31 Nerchio wrote: Sorry but it is impossible not to see the spine coming up, i will just stop watching KR games
Actually also wondering about that. How do you not see that when it's in vision and not moving?
The observer tried to mimic Rogue's POV (or did he actually follow his camera view?) that if his camera was centred on hatch, it wasn't in his vision (but it was on the minimap.) Not very surprising considering how tilted Rogue looked after G1, he was probably going crazy in his head and not paying attention to spines in his base
I know it's not on his main screen. He sees it once his exctractor finishes, because of building range.
I'm talking about the mini map. What else are you doing in the first few minutes of the game if not thinking about proxies/cheese, i.e. watching your god damn mini map?
Wow, Rogue is seriously broken. Did he just give up mentally after another GSL RO8 loss? He cant seem to win a game since then. 2 Jinair best players eliminated in RO32, that is also something we dont see often. Something does not feel right there atm...
On May 06 2019 20:31 Nerchio wrote: Sorry but it is impossible not to see the spine coming up, i will just stop watching KR games
Actually also wondering about that. How do you not see that when it's in vision and not moving?
The observer tried to mimic Rogue's POV (or did he actually follow his camera view?) that if his camera was centred on hatch, it wasn't in his vision (but it was on the minimap.) Not very surprising considering how tilted Rogue looked after G1, he was probably going crazy in his head and not paying attention to spines in his base
I know it's not on his main screen. He sees it once his exctractor finishes, because of building range.
I'm talking about the mini map. What else are you doing in the first few minutes of the game if not thinking about proxies/cheese, i.e. watching your god damn mini map?
Beating yourself up, being angry, thinking you're one game away from elimination, feeling like shit cause you lost to a drone pull, etc
fantasy please, thats literally what leenock does to win, I swear a smart player like Mvp would go infinity - 0 vs this, instead we get maru look alikes that get cheesed by obvious cheesers.
On May 06 2019 21:03 AlgeriaT wrote: Ok FanTa this is it. We're not going to get knocked out by Elton John zerg today ok got it? Fucking hold it together.
its actually incredible how much the trajectory of this game looks like early-mid HotS ZvT if liberators existed (other the the tank tech in the beginning)
fanta had a very low scv number, also known as the jjakji syndrome : micro like a god, have very nice tactics, but die because you didnt make scvs. Thankfully Leenock can't play late game.
Leenock is devastated while Fantasy has won another OSL judging by his excitement; he should be the first gamer advancing to ro16 in Code S after coming back from the army, to say the truth.
On May 06 2019 21:27 Penev wrote: I dare anyone to balance whine on this one
Well to be honest Leenock played like a bronze scrub and still almost won once he got to the GGlord infestor viper comp...
he was never really that close to winning, the reason he was winning some frontal fights is because fantasy had armies taking out bases on the other side of the map which is how you fight brood lord ultra. fantasy microed his lategame better and therefore won. im not sure where you see leenock "almost winning"
btw don't forget fantasy was far behind in the midgame even with leenock macroing badly
The game was over the moment Leenock overextended his broodlord and lost his anti air. Very sloppy from both sides but Leenock's mistake were more glaring in the late game, as expected. Good to see Fantasy qualifying, but I think we can safely say he won't make it in the ro8 this season.
On May 06 2019 21:27 Penev wrote: I dare anyone to balance whine on this one
Well to be honest Leenock played like a bronze scrub and still almost won once he got to the GGlord infestor viper comp...
he was never really that close to winning, the reason he was winning some frontal fights is because fantasy had armies taking out bases on the other side of the map which is how you fight brood lord ultra. fantasy microed his lategame better and therefore won. im not sure where you see leenock "almost winning"
btw don't forget fantasy was far behind in the midgame even with leenock macroing badly
leenock almost won the game too, there was one very dangerous moment when fanta had very little and Leenock had overwhelming numbers of broods,fanta would've died if Leenock kept going but I think he was afraid of mines and vikings hiding and turned back.
I think Fanta is more than capable of a ro8 at this point, just needs a bit of luck with his group.
On May 06 2019 21:31 Xain0n wrote: Leenock is devastated while Fantasy has won another OSL judging by his excitement; he should be the first gamer advancing to ro16 in Code S after coming back from the army, to say the truth.
On May 06 2019 21:36 Toua wrote: So the name for this season of GSL is actualy about how no jin air player will advance to the round of 16
Still got 3 more chances for a Jin Air player to make it out. Would be ironic if sOs also bombs out and only Cure and Trap qualifies for the ro16. As the big three of Jin Air falls off.
On May 06 2019 20:46 Harris1st wrote: Maru out Rogue out
Teamhouse environment?
Well I guess Maru can lose after one year and half. And Rogue has just been terrible last month!
No kidding, what the hell happened to him. I have even seen him in an online league, going 0-5 in a group of 6, or something similar
No idea, seems like Hurricane crushed his soul. Rogue won his last series three weeks ago, after that he is 0-7 in bo3 and even went 1-1 in Xiaose's Proleague dropping a map to Wanted...
Oh, FanTa. I'm so proud of you. Today I was preparing for the worst, to finally have tell you that even though I love you, I needed to end our relationship. But then you did it. You proved that you're willing to deal with your commitment issues, to take the step to being something more than just a swole body to me, and go to the ro16 together. So take my hand babe. Take me to bed and show me that GG timing. I'm sorry I ever thought about leaving you.
So the question is who are the favourites for this GSL? Classic, Stats and Dark seem the big ones so far with maybe Innovation and TY as other possible victors. That is if Inno knows how to win a TvP.
On May 06 2019 21:27 Penev wrote: I dare anyone to balance whine on this one
Well to be honest Leenock played like a bronze scrub and still almost won once he got to the GGlord infestor viper comp...
he was never really that close to winning, the reason he was winning some frontal fights is because fantasy had armies taking out bases on the other side of the map which is how you fight brood lord ultra. fantasy microed his lategame better and therefore won. im not sure where you see leenock "almost winning"
btw don't forget fantasy was far behind in the midgame even with leenock macroing badly
leenock almost won the game too, there was one very dangerous moment when fanta had very little and Leenock had overwhelming numbers of broods,fanta would've died if Leenock kept going but I think he was afraid of mines and vikings hiding and turned back.
I think Fanta is more than capable of a ro8 at this point, just needs a bit of luck with his group.
lol no some guy in this thread had this right: winner of FanTaSy/Leenock was the #1 pick in ro16
On May 06 2019 22:08 Z3nith wrote: So the question is who are the favourites for this GSL? Classic, Stats and Dark seem the big ones so far with maybe Innovation and TY as other possible victors. That is if Inno knows how to win a TvP.
Right now I would put my money on a Protoss, e.g. Stats and Classic. We'll know more when TY and Dark played
Fantasy played pretty great. He just needs to pick up on the blink meta quicker. Is the solution a bunker in the main or something like a turret on the edge to repel the observer? Terrans need to work this out or they can't 1/1/1 while making very few units as they tech up. Protoss will just punish it.
On May 06 2019 22:08 Z3nith wrote: So the question is who are the favourites for this GSL? Classic, Stats and Dark seem the big ones so far with maybe Innovation and TY as other possible victors. That is if Inno knows how to win a TvP.
Right now I would put my money on a Protoss, e.g. Stats and Classic. We'll know more when TY and Dark played
Inno will win the G5L and everyone will complain about terran winning the 7th GSL in a row.
On May 06 2019 22:08 Z3nith wrote: So the question is who are the favourites for this GSL? Classic, Stats and Dark seem the big ones so far with maybe Innovation and TY as other possible victors. That is if Inno knows how to win a TvP.
Right now I would put my money on a Protoss, e.g. Stats and Classic. We'll know more when TY and Dark played
Inno will win the G5L and everyone will complain about terran winning the 7th GSL in a row.
That would be so incredibly boring. Asking for a Zerg victory would be too much, I guess...
On May 06 2019 22:08 Z3nith wrote: So the question is who are the favourites for this GSL? Classic, Stats and Dark seem the big ones so far with maybe Innovation and TY as other possible victors. That is if Inno knows how to win a TvP.
Right now I would put my money on a Protoss, e.g. Stats and Classic. We'll know more when TY and Dark played
Inno will win the G5L and everyone will complain about terran winning the 7th GSL in a row.
That would be so incredibly boring. Asking for a Zerg victory would be too much, I guess...
Don't worry, it's not season 3, Inno has no power. So far Classic seems like the guy to beat but we'll see how things develop. There's so much potential now that Maru is out and done making super easy Ro16 groups.
Mildly surprised Leenock lost to late game to Fantasy's bio. Leencok's beaten better players, he seemed a bit lost. Definitely the 2 right players advancing today.
On May 06 2019 22:08 Z3nith wrote: So the question is who are the favourites for this GSL? Classic, Stats and Dark seem the big ones so far with maybe Innovation and TY as other possible victors. That is if Inno knows how to win a TvP.
Right now I would put my money on a Protoss, e.g. Stats and Classic. We'll know more when TY and Dark played
Inno will win the G5L and everyone will complain about terran winning the 7th GSL in a row.
That would be so incredibly boring. Asking for a Zerg victory would be too much, I guess...
Don't worry, it's not season 3, Inno has no power. So far Classic seems like the guy to beat but we'll see how things develop. There's so much potential now that Maru is out and done making super easy Ro16 groups.
Mildly surprised Leenock lost to late game to Fantasy's bio. Leencok's beaten better players, he seemed a bit lost. Definitely the 2 right players advancing today.
I'm hoping Stats can win this GSL, I would be fine with Classic winning though. I also kinda want Dear to win and I think he has been looking quite good
On May 06 2019 22:08 Z3nith wrote: So the question is who are the favourites for this GSL? Classic, Stats and Dark seem the big ones so far with maybe Innovation and TY as other possible victors. That is if Inno knows how to win a TvP.
Right now I would put my money on a Protoss, e.g. Stats and Classic. We'll know more when TY and Dark played
Inno will win the G5L and everyone will complain about terran winning the 7th GSL in a row.
That would be so incredibly boring. Asking for a Zerg victory would be too much, I guess...
Don't worry, it's not season 3, Inno has no power. So far Classic seems like the guy to beat but we'll see how things develop. There's so much potential now that Maru is out and done making super easy Ro16 groups.
Mildly surprised Leenock lost to late game to Fantasy's bio. Leencok's beaten better players, he seemed a bit lost. Definitely the 2 right players advancing today.
I'm hoping Stats can win this GSL, I would be fine with Classic winning though. I also kinda want Dear to win and I think he has been looking quite good
Dear is kinda fucked as long as there's so many Protoss players in the tournament.
On May 06 2019 23:02 BisuDagger wrote: Fantasy played pretty great. He just needs to pick up on the blink meta quicker. Is the solution a bunker in the main or something like a turret on the edge to repel the observer? Terrans need to work this out or they can't 1/1/1 while making very few units as they tech up. Protoss will just punish it.
Are you sure? If you ask me he was misreading the situation he was in in pretty much all macro games, couldn't close out games properly and looked lost in late game. Also got lucky with his build against Rogue in his second game.
He played great for someone who had a long break, but I don't see him advancing any further.
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