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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:45 Noonius wrote: Serral has not lost a single map yet. Am I seeing this right? not surprising, foreign scene is pretty much a joke. Last year Neeb, this year Serral - the skill level is so low that the few good players just dominate everything. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:46 Elentos wrote: It was about playing not beating. And he played Maru & Classic again. Getting ruined 0-3 doesn't help his status in comparison to koreans though. | ||
Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:42 Elentos wrote: If you trim the weaker Koreans Serral played like 5 matches. If you trim the weaker Koreans, Serral played Rogue, Impact, Zest, Trap, Classic twice and Maru (and soO). You can try to argue against Zest/Impact but they're still Code S tier. When I say trimming weaker Koreans from Stephano's results I mean guys like ReaL, JYP, Heart, GanZi, Rain, Daisy, KeeN, Revival, TheStC, CranK. These guys were fringe Code S at best in 2012, and Stephano played 18 sets vs them that year. That's a third of his sets vs Koreans. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:47 Charoisaur wrote: not surprising, foreign scene is pretty much a joke. Last year Neeb, this year Serral - the skill level is so low that the few good players just dominate everything. Oh be quiet | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:49 Soularion wrote: they're still Code S tier. In 2018 this is probably the most backhanded compliment you can give a Korean. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:47 mierin wrote: Honestly I think Serral's ZvT has improved quite a bit...I really wouldn't mind seeing him vs. TY, Maru or Inno. He's always been able to dominate the EU terrans. I like Heromarine but he isn't even on the same level as a Keen or aLive or Bunny. The best korean zergs (soO, dark, solar) struggle to beat TY/Maru/Inno a lot of the time, and they get constant practice against them. I wouldn't have much confidence in Serral | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
? You disagree that Serral is far better than the other players? Not dropping a map thus far seems to indicate that pretty clearly. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:50 Elentos wrote: In 2018 this is probably the most backhanded compliment you can give a Korean. How do you rate Serral's chances vs Zanster and NoRegret? | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:47 Charoisaur wrote: not surprising, foreign scene is pretty much a joke. Last year Neeb, this year Serral - the skill level is so low that the few good players just dominate everything. What other good foreigners even existed in 2012 when Stephano put up his GOAT case? LucifroN? VortiX? BabyKnight? You can't act as those guys are on another level compared to the likes of uThermal, Elazer, SpeCial, Snute, TRUE, Scarlett. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:51 Charoisaur wrote: ? You disagree that Serral is far better than the other players? Not dropping a map thus far seems to indicate that pretty clearly. No, but the entire post reeks of your annoying, abrasive "fuck wcs" attitude like you had nothing better to do in your spare time than ragging on something nobody who reads your posts can change as if the god almighty was going to smite Blizzard down and paint words "CHAROSAIR WAS RIGHT, REGION LOCK KILLED SC2" on the sky | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:51 Soularion wrote: What other good foreigners even existed in 2012 when Stephano put up his GOAT case? LucifroN? VortiX? BabyKnight? You can't act as those guys are on another level compared to the likes of uThermal, Elazer, SpeCial, Snute, TRUE, Scarlett. Yea but at least there were some Koreans in the foreign scene tournaments back then to show some competitive matches | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:50 Elentos wrote: In 2018 this is probably the most backhanded compliment you can give a Korean. I mean like, solidly Code S tier. Zest made more Ro8s than every korean I listed for Stephano combined, and Impact is still a pretty solid player. Just gotten some unfortunate luck having to face against Classic/Stats/soO/TY in Code S Ro32. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:53 Die4Ever wrote: Yea but at least there were some Koreans in the tournaments back then to show some competitive matches Yeah and the Koreans were asscheeks. Put Serral up against Leenock, LosirA, KeeN, aLive, DoKyung, Cure and ByuL and he'd still look damn good. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:51 Charoisaur wrote: ? You disagree that Serral is far better than the other players? Not dropping a map thus far seems to indicate that pretty clearly. I disagree with you calling the foreign scene a joke, yes Serral is dominant so far and is favourite to win but the skill level in the foreign scene is closer to Korea than it has ever been and the overall skill level is higher than its ever been. Foreigners can't take a map off Serral because he is as good as top Korean zergs. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:55 Soularion wrote: Yeah and the Koreans were asscheeks. Put Serral up against Leenock, LosirA, KeeN, aLive, DoKyung, Cure and ByuL and he'd still look damn good. That's fine, would've at least been a better or more interesting match than we've gotten so far | ||
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Durnuu
13326 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:55 Zaros wrote: the overall skill level is higher than its ever been. according to what? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:53 Ej_ wrote: No, but the entire post reeks of your annoying, abrasive "fuck wcs" attitude like you had nothing better to do in your spare time than ragging on something nobody who reads your posts can change as if the god almighty was going to smite Blizzard down and paint words "CHAROSAIR WAS RIGHT, REGION LOCK KILLED SC2" on the sky no idea what this wall of text is supposed to mean. Region-lock obv didn't kill sc2 but I don't think the WCS events with Serral (and Neeb last year) just winning everything are turning out as Blizzard expected. It just bores me that nobody can challenge the good players. | ||
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