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[WCS 2018] DreamHack Austin - Championship Sunday - Page 3

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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 03 2018 15:34 GMT
#41
3 CC should mean Heromarine wins this right?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 03 2018 15:36 GMT
#42
On June 04 2018 00:34 Fango wrote:
3 CC should mean Heromarine wins this right?


He's certainly ahead, but his position isn't trivially winning either.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 15:40:40
June 03 2018 15:40 GMT
#43
How did Heromarine lose a fight while being ahead 20 army supply ahead and a set up of upgrades?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 03 2018 15:41 GMT
#44
Marine Lord can't seem to split vs banelings
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
June 03 2018 15:42 GMT
#45
On June 04 2018 00:34 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 00:30 Elentos wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:29 Soularion wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:28 mierin wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:26 Soularion wrote:
Serral is unreal. I don't know if a foreigner has been good like this before.


I'm definitely in the "Serral needs to get his butt over to Korea" crowd!

Nah, it's not worth it. Balancing WCS and GSL has never been done successfully, not by TRUE, not by Neeb, not by Scarlett.

Serral playing against Koreans more would tell us if a foreigner has been "good like this before" though.

He's played against Koreans a fair amount though. He's played 10 offline sets (counting both Bo1s vs soO as one combined set) so far this year, and will most likely finish somewhere in the high teens, including sets against both Classic and Maru when they were pretty much undisputed best in the world. Stephano in 2011 played 15 sets, 4 of those being Bo1, and only played 'good' koreans in Bo3/Bo5. He played a ton more in 2012 but if you trim the weaker Koreans from that pool it looks pretty slim too.

If you trim the weaker Koreans Serral played like 5 matches.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 03 2018 15:43 GMT
#46
On June 04 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:
How did Heromarine lose a fight while being ahead 20 army supply ahead and a set up of upgrades?


The baneling hits weren't even that big until the end too... HeroMarine's tank focus firing was a bit lacking, but there had to be some Serral magic going on in that defense.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
June 03 2018 15:43 GMT
#47
On June 04 2018 00:26 Soularion wrote:
Serral is unreal. I don't know if a foreigner has been good like this before.

Neeb last year?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
June 03 2018 15:43 GMT
#48
On June 04 2018 00:41 Zaros wrote:
Marine Lord can't seem to split vs banelings


Marinelord?
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2655 Posts
June 03 2018 15:44 GMT
#49
Seeing Serral play would be actually fun and exiting if it didn't meant that the tournament becomes a ZvZ fest, saddly this is the foreign scene.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 03 2018 15:44 GMT
#50
On June 04 2018 00:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:
How did Heromarine lose a fight while being ahead 20 army supply ahead and a set up of upgrades?


The baneling hits weren't even that big until the end too... HeroMarine's tank focus firing was a bit lacking, but there had to be some Serral magic going on in that defense.

He burrowed/unburrowed queens to tank a siege tank salve
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 15:45:51
June 03 2018 15:44 GMT
#51
On June 04 2018 00:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:
How did Heromarine lose a fight while being ahead 20 army supply ahead and a set up of upgrades?


The baneling hits weren't even that big until the end too... HeroMarine's tank focus firing was a bit lacking, but there had to be some Serral magic going on in that defense.

I think in the start he had too many units still at the back, and towards the end he lost too many to banelings. If he was more aggressive and had good splits + tank targeting he wins that.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2655 Posts
June 03 2018 15:45 GMT
#52
On June 04 2018 00:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:
How did Heromarine lose a fight while being ahead 20 army supply ahead and a set up of upgrades?


The baneling hits weren't even that big until the end too... HeroMarine's tank focus firing was a bit lacking, but there had to be some Serral magic going on in that defense.

Nah he didn't do anything special, Heromarine just had awful splitting.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 03 2018 15:45 GMT
#53
On June 04 2018 00:42 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 00:34 Soularion wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:30 Elentos wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:29 Soularion wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:28 mierin wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:26 Soularion wrote:
Serral is unreal. I don't know if a foreigner has been good like this before.


I'm definitely in the "Serral needs to get his butt over to Korea" crowd!

Nah, it's not worth it. Balancing WCS and GSL has never been done successfully, not by TRUE, not by Neeb, not by Scarlett.

Serral playing against Koreans more would tell us if a foreigner has been "good like this before" though.

He's played against Koreans a fair amount though. He's played 10 offline sets (counting both Bo1s vs soO as one combined set) so far this year, and will most likely finish somewhere in the high teens, including sets against both Classic and Maru when they were pretty much undisputed best in the world. Stephano in 2011 played 15 sets, 4 of those being Bo1, and only played 'good' koreans in Bo3/Bo5. He played a ton more in 2012 but if you trim the weaker Koreans from that pool it looks pretty slim too.

If you trim the weaker Koreans Serral played like 5 matches.

He beat Rogue 2-1, Trap 3-2, and Classic 3-1. That's about it in terms of beating top koreans
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
June 03 2018 15:45 GMT
#54
On June 04 2018 00:44 Lexender wrote:
Seeing Serral play would be actually fun and exiting if it didn't meant that the tournament becomes a ZvZ fest, saddly this is the foreign scene.

Seeing Serral play would be fun and exciting if he actually had any competition.
Sadly the players that could challenge him aren't allowed to play in this tournament.

Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
June 03 2018 15:45 GMT
#55
Serral has not lost a single map yet. Am I seeing this right?
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 15:46:01
June 03 2018 15:45 GMT
#56
On June 04 2018 00:45 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 00:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:
How did Heromarine lose a fight while being ahead 20 army supply ahead and a set up of upgrades?


The baneling hits weren't even that big until the end too... HeroMarine's tank focus firing was a bit lacking, but there had to be some Serral magic going on in that defense.

Nah he didn't do anything special, Heromarine just had awful splitting.

On June 04 2018 00:44 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 00:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:
How did Heromarine lose a fight while being ahead 20 army supply ahead and a set up of upgrades?


The baneling hits weren't even that big until the end too... HeroMarine's tank focus firing was a bit lacking, but there had to be some Serral magic going on in that defense.

He burrowed/unburrowed queens to tank a siege tank salve
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 03 2018 15:46 GMT
#57
On June 04 2018 00:44 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 00:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:
How did Heromarine lose a fight while being ahead 20 army supply ahead and a set up of upgrades?


The baneling hits weren't even that big until the end too... HeroMarine's tank focus firing was a bit lacking, but there had to be some Serral magic going on in that defense.

He burrowed/unburrowed queens to tank a siege tank salve


That was cute, but I think at that point he was already fine after somehow having held the previous engagements.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
June 03 2018 15:46 GMT
#58
On June 04 2018 00:45 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 00:42 Elentos wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:34 Soularion wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:30 Elentos wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:29 Soularion wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:28 mierin wrote:
On June 04 2018 00:26 Soularion wrote:
Serral is unreal. I don't know if a foreigner has been good like this before.


I'm definitely in the "Serral needs to get his butt over to Korea" crowd!

Nah, it's not worth it. Balancing WCS and GSL has never been done successfully, not by TRUE, not by Neeb, not by Scarlett.

Serral playing against Koreans more would tell us if a foreigner has been "good like this before" though.

He's played against Koreans a fair amount though. He's played 10 offline sets (counting both Bo1s vs soO as one combined set) so far this year, and will most likely finish somewhere in the high teens, including sets against both Classic and Maru when they were pretty much undisputed best in the world. Stephano in 2011 played 15 sets, 4 of those being Bo1, and only played 'good' koreans in Bo3/Bo5. He played a ton more in 2012 but if you trim the weaker Koreans from that pool it looks pretty slim too.

If you trim the weaker Koreans Serral played like 5 matches.

He beat Rogue 2-1, Trap 3-2, and Classic 3-1. That's about it in terms of beating top koreans

It was about playing not beating. And he played Maru & Classic again.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 03 2018 15:46 GMT
#59
judging from play, I would put it like this:

in terms of choosing the correct unit composition, placement, general strategy and decisionmaking - neeb when he plays at his prime looks to me the best I have seen from a foreigner.

in terms of overall play - as in mechanics, consistency, not making mistakes, large scale control, etc - serral is undoubtedly the best foreigner I have seen and looks better than any korean I watch right now. and it's not just because we are seeing him against other foreigners. I am not saying he *is* better than dark or rogue, but his macro, movement, reactions.. it's typically hard to find any mistake. he's basically like stephano in his prime, which is already an amazing feat, but he's much crisper than that. stephano had a little sloppiness, serral almost never does.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
June 03 2018 15:47 GMT
#60
On June 04 2018 00:44 Lexender wrote:
Seeing Serral play would be actually fun and exiting if it didn't meant that the tournament becomes a ZvZ fest, saddly this is the foreign scene.


don't worry, Princess will save us from the horrors of zvz semis and final
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
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