EPT[WCS 2018] DreamHack Austin - Championship Sunday - Page 5
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:58 Fango wrote: I honestly think Snute is the most underrated foreigner in terms of the GOAT discussion. He actually competed with them in HotS and did decent, especially against korean protoss. Other foreigners weren't really noteworthy during that time. Stuchiu had Snute at #3 which I think is pretty much agreeable. It's unfortunate that he played during the hardest era of competition because it makes him have very few notable runs, and Snute hasn't been good enough in LotV to justify putting him over NaNiwa. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:55 Zaros wrote: I disagree with you calling the foreign scene a joke, yes Serral is dominant so far and is favourite to win but the skill level in the foreign scene is closer to Korea than it has ever been and the overall skill level is higher than its ever been. Foreigners can't take a map off Serral because he is as good as top Korean zergs. Okay, maybe "joke" was a bit harsh but compared to Serral they are just not on the same level. | ||
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Penev
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:59 Soularion wrote: Stuchiu had Snute at #3 which I think is pretty much agreeable. It's unfortunate that he played during the hardest era of competition because it makes him have very few notable runs, and Snute hasn't been good enough in LotV to justify putting him over NaNiwa. I've always valued decent runs in harsh times to be equal or better to great runs in good times. Beating the current GSL and SSL champions back to back in 2015 is damn impressive. Probably more so than winning a tournament against obviously inferior opponents. | ||
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Ansibled
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The_Red_Viper
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On June 04 2018 01:01 Soularion wrote: Nerchio/Serral would be an insightful series. I really think Serral's ZvZ is his one weak spot domestically. http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=2018-03-01&before=&event=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= Yeah looks really weak | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 04 2018 01:00 Charoisaur wrote: Okay, maybe "joke" was a bit harsh but compared to Serral they are just not on the same level. There are players who are close like Elazer and Neeb/Special/Scarlett/Uthermal when they peak. Korean Protoss are praising Elazer as their main Zerg practice partner to help them take out rogue, soO and dark. I think if we look objectively who Serral has played against so far it's not the tip top players; clem, tlo aren't even top 20 foreigners imo. I wouldn't even put kelazhur or Heromarine in my top 10 maybe others disagree | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
On June 04 2018 01:09 Zaros wrote: There are players who are close like Elazer and Neeb/Special/Scarlett/Uthermal when they peak. Korean Protoss are praising Elazer as their main Zerg practice partner to help them take out rogue, soO and dark. I think if we look objectively who Serral has played against so far it's not the tip top players; clem, tlo aren't even top 20 foreigners imo. I wouldn't even put kelazhur or Heromarine in my top 10 maybe others disagree Uthermal and Special lost to Serral one-sidedly in WCS Challenger/WCS Leipzig. Neeb and Scarlett are out of form currently. The only one I can see beating Serral is Elazer in ZvZ. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On June 04 2018 01:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=2018-03-01&before=&event=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= Yeah looks really weak Conveniently cropping out his loss to Scarlett, which stands as his only Bo3+ loss in any matchup to a foreigner over the time frame. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 04 2018 01:12 Charoisaur wrote: Uthermal and Special lost to Serral one-sidedly in WCS Challenger/WCS Leipzig. Neeb and Scarlett are out of form currently. The only one I can see beating Serral is Elazer in ZvZ. Leipzig was ages ago so I wouldn't count special out yet but yes I would say Elazer is the most likely to beat Serral if anyone | ||
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Elentos
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On June 04 2018 01:13 Soularion wrote: Conveniently cropping out his loss to Scarlett, which stands as his only Bo3+ loss in any matchup to a foreigner over the time frame. Results that are from more than 3 months ago don't even give any indication to current form (even less sometimes doesn't) so it's more than fine to cut that. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Penev
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riotjune
United States3392 Posts
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Elentos
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 04 2018 01:13 Soularion wrote: Conveniently cropping out his loss to Scarlett, which stands as his only Bo3+ loss in any matchup to a foreigner over the time frame. I simply took the last three months, but sure if we wanna go for the full year here you go: http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=2018-01-01&before=&event=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= | ||
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Obamarauder
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