EPT[GSL 2018] Season 1 - Ro16 Group C - Page 14
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On February 21 2018 21:37 Fyzar wrote: Gumi had like 6 tanks left, I don’t think he can suicide in for vikings and have enough left over. I think if played perfectly Gumi should eventually win there. no way to know, but its pretty difficult to chase a marine based army with tanks. i dont think gumi could have forced a good engagement | ||
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12133 Posts
On February 21 2018 21:44 Myrddrael wrote: People saying 1/8 is balance is kinda funny as well Since the RO16 groups are made by players it's really hard to say - it's a balance issue. Look at group A, the strongest Terran loses to a foreigner. Will you blame the balance? Innovation made the group himself and had the power to move Scarlett away! And look at group B - Dark and soO were favorites. But then again - this was a group made by players, with a random draw we could have had a better results - e.g. from group D we will have 2 P no matter what. With Maru there we could have TP advancing. From ro16 onwards is hard to tell balance from GSL distribution because of how the groups are set up. I'm not saying there are no balance issues, but saying this based on how players screw their groups in GSL is not exactly smart. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16091 Posts
On February 21 2018 21:55 deacon.frost wrote: Since the RO16 groups are made by players it's really hard to say - it's a balance issue. Look at group A, the strongest Terran loses to a foreigner. Will you blame the balance? Innovation made the group himself and had the power to move Scarlett away! And look at group B - Dark and soO were favorites. But then again - this was a group made by players, with a random draw we could have had a better results - e.g. from group D we will have 2 P no matter what. With Maru there we could have TP advancing. From ro16 onwards is hard to tell balance from GSL distribution because of how the groups are set up. I'm not saying there are no balance issues, but saying this based on how players screw their groups in GSL is not exactly smart. When one of the strongest players loses to one of the weakest players then it can very well be because of balance. Of course in that specific series Inno didn't lose because of balance looking at the games but I don't get your argument "He lost to a player he's supposed to beat therefore balance wasn't a factor." In the BL/Infestor and Blink era lots of players lost to players he's supposed to beat. I don't think in Group B soO was favored over TY. Is terran weak? I don't think we have enough data to determine that especially with the last patch being so recent. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12133 Posts
On February 21 2018 22:08 Charoisaur wrote: When one of the strongest players loses to one of the weakest players then it can very well be because of balance. Of course in that specific series Inno didn't lose because of balance looking at the games but I don't get your argument "He lost to a player he's supposed to beat therefore balance wasn't a factor." In the BL/Infestor and Blink era lots of players lost to players he's supposed to beat. I don't think in Group B soO was favored over TY. Is terran weak? I don't think we have enough data to determine that especially with the last patch being so recent. No, you misread it. My main argument is, that players pick their groups therefore we cannot directly say - "It's balance". Because players made it possible to have 2 Protoss players advancing from group D no matter what. Players made it the way that 2 strongest zergs were facing 2 terrans(thus 2 terrans were kicked even in theory before the RO16 started). Players are choosing their groups the way to advance and thus screwing any potential balance discussion. Can we talk about balance after group D finalize and the RO8 is done? Because remember, from group D two best PvP players advance, not necessarily 2 best PvX players! This is why I'm saying we have to stop balance issues at RO16. It would have been easier to see any balance issues with some random draw. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Also 4th GSL ro8 that Maru is the only terran | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
If TY beat aLive we'd probably have had perfect results | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16091 Posts
On February 21 2018 23:38 Fango wrote: I've been saying for a while that Maru would beat Gumiho if he actually played normal games instead of coinflips but I didn't think it would ever happen Also 4th GSL ro8 that Maru is the only terran Reverse Patchterran. Maru is only good when terran is weak. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16091 Posts
On February 21 2018 23:44 Fango wrote: Only one terran in the ro8 mean anything balance wise. Group D was guaranteed 2 toss. Going by the first three, perfect balance would be 2 of each. We're pretty close with 2 P, 3 Z, 1 T. If TY beat aLive we'd probably have had perfect results I mean even if the game is perfectly balanced there would be a decent chance that one race has 1 or 0 players in the ro8 just by probability. Remember 2016 season 2 where we had 0 Zergs in the ro8 but a ZvZ finals in SSL? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 22 2018 02:17 Charoisaur wrote: I mean even if the game is perfectly balanced there would be a decent chance that one race has 1 or 0 players in the ro8 just by probability. Remember 2016 season 2 where we had 0 Zergs in the ro8 but a ZvZ finals in SSL? To be honest I do think zerg was very weak that season. It was basically only Dark and Solar doing decent. If those two happened to fall in the ro16 zerg was dead | ||
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leublix
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usopsama
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 22 2018 09:19 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? Final match between Gumiho and Maru for sure. The other series were quite one sided. Although gumi vs dear was a very weird one. | ||
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LuftGespenst
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 Gumithrow is always like an enigma. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
No need to change its stats this change alone is enough to make protoss players wet thier paints. :DDDD | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On February 22 2018 10:08 LuftGespenst wrote: Always disappointing when more well-rounded terran like TY and Gumiho fall short in TvT Gumithrow is always like an enigma. The only one i find disappointed is Noonius. | ||
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