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On January 10 2018 20:35 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2018 20:33 Zzzapper wrote:On January 10 2018 20:30 Musicus wrote:On January 10 2018 20:29 Zzzapper wrote:On January 10 2018 20:27 Musicus wrote:
I think you need plus 2 air attack to kill a phoenix with less shots than with zero attack upgrades. Until you have +2 it might already be all over. Rotti's stream is educational after all! +1 armor does the trick though okay then it was something else Rotti was talking about, I just remembered that he got asked why he didn't get air attack upgrades, thought it was a phoenix war, maybe it was PvZ instead and he was talking about hydras or something. Could be that he just hasn't done the numbers for armor upgrades, it's true that +1 attack does nothing. +2 armor is huge btw, number of attacks is 9/10/12/13 for 0/+1/+2/+3 oh +1 armor, I misread your comment. Yeah getting armor makes sense since phoenix attack twice anyway.
It's not really about the 2 attacks, that also makes the attack upgrades give +2 damage each. It's all about that attacks/kill number which is pretty underrated in general. For example everyone knows that attack upgrades are better than armor for roach vs. roach but it doesn't seem like many people are aware that +1 armor does literally nothing under normal circumstances.
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On January 10 2018 20:40 Zzzapper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2018 20:35 Musicus wrote:On January 10 2018 20:33 Zzzapper wrote:On January 10 2018 20:30 Musicus wrote:On January 10 2018 20:29 Zzzapper wrote:On January 10 2018 20:27 Musicus wrote:
I think you need plus 2 air attack to kill a phoenix with less shots than with zero attack upgrades. Until you have +2 it might already be all over. Rotti's stream is educational after all! +1 armor does the trick though okay then it was something else Rotti was talking about, I just remembered that he got asked why he didn't get air attack upgrades, thought it was a phoenix war, maybe it was PvZ instead and he was talking about hydras or something. Could be that he just hasn't done the numbers for armor upgrades, it's true that +1 attack does nothing. +2 armor is huge btw, number of attacks is 9/10/12/13 for 0/+1/+2/+3 oh +1 armor, I misread your comment. Yeah getting armor makes sense since phoenix attack twice anyway. It's not really about the 2 attacks, that also makes the attack upgrades give +2 damage each. It's all about that attacks/kill number which is pretty underrated in general. For example everyone knows that attack upgrades are better than armor for roach vs. roach but it doesn't seem like many people are aware that +1 armor does literally nothing under normal circumstances.
Well if phoenix would attack once instead of twice they would have 10+2 instead of (5+1) x 2, so then armor wouldn't be better than attack right?
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On January 10 2018 20:45 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2018 20:40 Zzzapper wrote:On January 10 2018 20:35 Musicus wrote:On January 10 2018 20:33 Zzzapper wrote:On January 10 2018 20:30 Musicus wrote:On January 10 2018 20:29 Zzzapper wrote:On January 10 2018 20:27 Musicus wrote:
I think you need plus 2 air attack to kill a phoenix with less shots than with zero attack upgrades. Until you have +2 it might already be all over. Rotti's stream is educational after all! +1 armor does the trick though okay then it was something else Rotti was talking about, I just remembered that he got asked why he didn't get air attack upgrades, thought it was a phoenix war, maybe it was PvZ instead and he was talking about hydras or something. Could be that he just hasn't done the numbers for armor upgrades, it's true that +1 attack does nothing. +2 armor is huge btw, number of attacks is 9/10/12/13 for 0/+1/+2/+3 oh +1 armor, I misread your comment. Yeah getting armor makes sense since phoenix attack twice anyway. It's not really about the 2 attacks, that also makes the attack upgrades give +2 damage each. It's all about that attacks/kill number which is pretty underrated in general. For example everyone knows that attack upgrades are better than armor for roach vs. roach but it doesn't seem like many people are aware that +1 armor does literally nothing under normal circumstances. Well if phoenix would attack once instead of twice they would have 10+2 instead of (5+1) x 2, so then armor wouldn't be better than attack right?
I guess so. It could also be 10+1 though, 10 is lower than where units usually start getting +2 damage/upgrade
e: 10/+1 (+10/+1 vs. light) like the old marauder would probably make most sense in this hypothetical situation
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On January 10 2018 20:50 Zzzapper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2018 20:45 Musicus wrote:On January 10 2018 20:40 Zzzapper wrote:On January 10 2018 20:35 Musicus wrote:On January 10 2018 20:33 Zzzapper wrote:On January 10 2018 20:30 Musicus wrote:On January 10 2018 20:29 Zzzapper wrote:On January 10 2018 20:27 Musicus wrote:
I think you need plus 2 air attack to kill a phoenix with less shots than with zero attack upgrades. Until you have +2 it might already be all over. Rotti's stream is educational after all! +1 armor does the trick though okay then it was something else Rotti was talking about, I just remembered that he got asked why he didn't get air attack upgrades, thought it was a phoenix war, maybe it was PvZ instead and he was talking about hydras or something. Could be that he just hasn't done the numbers for armor upgrades, it's true that +1 attack does nothing. +2 armor is huge btw, number of attacks is 9/10/12/13 for 0/+1/+2/+3 oh +1 armor, I misread your comment. Yeah getting armor makes sense since phoenix attack twice anyway. It's not really about the 2 attacks, that also makes the attack upgrades give +2 damage each. It's all about that attacks/kill number which is pretty underrated in general. For example everyone knows that attack upgrades are better than armor for roach vs. roach but it doesn't seem like many people are aware that +1 armor does literally nothing under normal circumstances. Well if phoenix would attack once instead of twice they would have 10+2 instead of (5+1) x 2, so then armor wouldn't be better than attack right? I guess so. It could also be 10+1 though, 10 is lower than where units usually start getting +2 damage/upgrade e: 10/+1 (+10/+1 vs. light) like the old marauder would probably make most sense in this hypothetical situation
Ah yeah, true.
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Why isnt liquipedia updating ?
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hm sortof kinda still in this, now we need to see his mechanics to come back!
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how was Dear vs ByuL and SortOf vs sOs
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Well it was neat that he was able to win a game against sOs.
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Rookie died for that, it makes me even sadder.
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took a game vs sOs, not bad, ggs
hopefully SortOf can do better in WCS this year!
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On January 10 2018 21:02 Alchemik wrote:
how was Dear vs ByuL and SortOf vs sOs
Awful.
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ByuL actually had to take the low ground 3rd as his natural, RIP
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On January 10 2018 21:14 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2018 21:02 Alchemik wrote:
how was Dear vs ByuL and SortOf vs sOs Awful.
Dear v ByuL game 1 was alright tbf.
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he just parked the prism above the creep right where the queens usually are
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Losing the sentries is so bad, he's never going to scout this spire now.
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That was some bad muta control at the end
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