On November 08 2017 18:59 Ej_ wrote: Stephano gonna patchzerg it up and make top 8 massing infestors, like the good ol' days.
Will it be played on the test map? I've seen him massing infestor like crazy there. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see him massing infestors on any patch.
On November 08 2017 18:59 Ej_ wrote: Stephano gonna patchzerg it up and make top 8 massing infestors, like the good ol' days.
Will it be played on the test map? I've seen him massing infestor like crazy there. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see him massing infestors on any patch.
It will be awesome. But lot of zergs on this tournament so he can go out early, I hope he makes a good perf before the nerf
On November 08 2017 22:44 NarutO wrote: It will be played on the new patch. Confirming again for everyone that missed it
Hopefully that works out better than SHOUTcraft Kings did at Blizzcon last year when they played on the test patch and Zerg went undefeated. I'm sure the event will be great regardless, but it will be less fun if there is some unbalanced timing that turns one or more match up into something impossible to win.
On November 09 2017 00:59 Zaros wrote: Will be interesting to watch, generally very curious how Protoss is going to do with the huge rework.
I know people are definitely watching the early game really closely, but I'm anticipating the early game shield battery cheese as well as the late game shield battery spam.
On November 09 2017 05:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I am super excited for HSC. I am not super excited that i have to miss all of day 1 though, and that it starts at 5am every day so I miss a few hours
On November 09 2017 05:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I am super excited for HSC. I am not super excited that i have to miss all of day 1 though, and that it starts at 5am every day so I miss a few hours
Why living in Canada ?
Because I like living in a frozen desolate wasteland, I guess.
On November 09 2017 05:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I am super excited for HSC. I am not super excited that i have to miss all of day 1 though, and that it starts at 5am every day so I miss a few hours
Why living in Canada ?
Because I like living in a frozen desolate wasteland, I guess.
I like living in Canada because of the free health care whenever a foreigner crashes and burns.
Unfortunately I won't be able to watch most of the first two days, but I think it's very interesting to see the testmap in a competetive environment before the release, couldn't have a better way of testing!
On November 09 2017 21:26 Mozdk wrote: When was shield battery added and mama removed? Patch notes don't seem to be on front page. Or am I blind?
The patch isn't live yet, the test map changes were on the front page months ago.
Why are HSC playing them then? That's a lot of money that could be won with something that might be completely broken.
Why wouldn't they? HSC is barely about a competitive SCII tournament. It's SCII entertainment, and seeing the design changes in action for the first time is certainly entertaining. Besides, they're going live in a week anyway. No reason not to play them now.
I have no problem with this if the changes are confirmed to be final, I'd just blame Blizzard if it's going to be protoss OP. But if they're not confirmed changes, I can get how a few people could complain...
On November 09 2017 21:26 Mozdk wrote: When was shield battery added and mama removed? Patch notes don't seem to be on front page. Or am I blind?
The patch isn't live yet, the test map changes were on the front page months ago.
Why are HSC playing them then? That's a lot of money that could be won with something that might be completely broken.
It's just more interesting and the patch goes live next week without any chages until then most likely.
The real balance will only be achieved after some tournaments with money have been played on the new patch. Until then the players won't show off the brokes stuff.
Here are the patch notes, some stuff has changed though I think.
On November 09 2017 21:32 HsDLTitich wrote: Wait the test map changes are final?
I have no problem with this if the changes are confirmed to be final, I'd just blame Blizzard if it's going to be protoss OP. But if they're not confirmed changes, I can get how a few people could complain...
Final, as in the changes will go live like this next week. Tons of balance changes will be coming in the coming months for sure though.
You won't be able to balance a new patch before it goes live. No pros play the test map without tournaments and ladder running the new patch.
On November 09 2017 21:52 Mozdk wrote: So disruptor shot is a proximity thing now?
Purification Nova now detonates on contact with enemy units (not structures) Purification Nova still lasts 2 seconds before detonating Activation radius reduced from 0.5 to 0.25. Cooldown reduced from 21 to 14.3 Purification Nova no longer activated by enemy Changelings.
On November 09 2017 21:57 Zaros wrote: Keep in mind MMA has only just started playing SC2 again while Harstem has been playin test map for ages it was always gonna be one sided.
Tbh, I still thought his army service was not done yet.
On November 09 2017 22:19 Zzzapper wrote: Just tuned in, what's up with the main stream not showing supply and resources?
Blizzard has decided to remove those features for the new patch as they are confusing for new players and they want to recreate the brood war feel of not knowing what's going on
On November 09 2017 22:15 Musicus wrote: [quote] Harstem up 2 - 1
Ascension is starting.
MMA proxing a barracks at Harstem's third and taking 2 gas.
It's proxy ghosts.
Harstem scouted the barracks, building a robo and shield battery.
MMA adding a factory at home. 3 minutes in now.
First ghost killed 5 probes before dying. Second ghost is being held back since an observer is out.
MMA building a cyclone at home and proxing a star port at the north, 4 minutes in now.
Harstem: Robo bay and Warp Prism.
MMA: Expanding and Liberator harass.
MMA dropping 2 cyclones and researching Stim.
Harstem defending, and building a disruptor -> disruptor warp prism harass.
Both around 30 workers at 7 minutes.
Harstem: More Disrutor Prism harass, Twilight Council. Charge.
MMA: Defending, +1 attack, Tank being build, combat shields on the way.
Both building a third base, and production.
Harstem getting Colossi range, MMA just going Bio at this point.
MMA pushing towards Harstem's third base with 3 tanks and BIO.
Blink about to finish, 3 Colossi and 2 disruptors in Harstem's army.
Biiig doom drop from MMA in the main got scouted. Harstem intercepts.
MMA being forced into a bad fight. Harstem cleans up and is up about 30 supply.
Both going for a 4th base, antoher harassement force from MMA dies.
Harstem well ahead with a better army and upgrades.
3 medivac drop into Harstem's main. Recall from Harstem cleans it up. MMA could not take his 4th base and even lost the 3rd base. Harstem going for the kill.
On November 09 2017 22:16 Musicus wrote: [quote] Harstem scouted the barracks, building a robo and shield battery.
MMA adding a factory at home. 3 minutes in now.
First ghost killed 5 probes before dying. Second ghost is being held back since an observer is out.
MMA building a cyclone at home and proxing a star port at the north, 4 minutes in now.
Harstem: Robo bay and Warp Prism.
MMA: Expanding and Liberator harass.
MMA dropping 2 cyclones and researching Stim.
Harstem defending, and building a disruptor -> disruptor warp prism harass.
Both around 30 workers at 7 minutes.
Harstem: More Disrutor Prism harass, Twilight Council. Charge.
MMA: Defending, +1 attack, Tank being build, combat shields on the way.
Both building a third base, and production.
Harstem getting Colossi range, MMA just going Bio at this point.
MMA pushing towards Harstem's third base with 3 tanks and BIO.
Blink about to finish, 3 Colossi and 2 disruptors in Harstem's army.
Biiig doom drop from MMA in the main got scouted. Harstem intercepts.
MMA being forced into a bad fight. Harstem cleans up and is up about 30 supply.
Both going for a 4th base, antoher harassement force from MMA dies.
Harstem well ahead with a better army and upgrades.
3 medivac drop into Harstem's main. Recall from Harstem cleans it up. MMA could not take his 4th base and even lost the 3rd base. Harstem going for the kill.
Small counter attack from MMA doesn't do enough. Harstem in MMA's production.
When they said Emil was always casting from the basement, I imagined a cold and dark room without any people, but there is actually a lot going on down there.
On November 09 2017 23:08 Olli wrote: I blink sentry'd in all my PvZs on the test map. I haven't lost once.
IT'S BACK!
Oh yes it is, was fun seeing Showtime laughing while doing this on stream.
I held ravager/nydus/queen with it too, lol. It's pretty good.
Nydus is armored too right? Should be possible to focus it down quite effectively.
Especially if you get an early forge. Stalkers get +2 vs armored for every attack upgrade. At +1 attack, stalkers absolutely wreck anything roach based. At +2 they can probably fight ultras head on, lol.
Also didn't try any of the early gateway chronoboost things, but I heard they're good.
I think Elazer plays comletely different than Stephano.
He just goes brute force with ling/hydra with great micro, macro and aggression an all fronts while Stephano was looking to get to infestors and spread creep everywhere every game I think.
So that practice vs Stephano might not be too helpful right now unless Harstem gets to the late game.
On November 09 2017 23:04 Musicus wrote: bo5 groups, 1080p
Seriously BlizzCon looks like a joke now.
Especially with the clown make-up. I hope they fired those two make-up people.
Lol that makeup artist is a joke. Zombiegrub's makeup looked so thick. I think she's actually pretty attractive. You can tell from her Basetrade casts.
Elazer was talking about how Zerg players can now skip a number of things in ZvT (overlord speed, spores, etc.), so it isn't too surprising that Zerg is doing pretty well at the moment.
surprising to see Guru winning this group but even more so surprising to see him playing in the tournament in the first place. i thought for HSC, personality >> skill...
On November 10 2017 00:18 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: surprising to see Guru winning this group but even more so surprising to see him playing in the tournament in the first place. i thought for HSC, personality >> skill...
Stephano just exploiting MMA's lack of opening knowledge in legacy, pretty good swindle with the normal-looking 4 lings. Most terrans would have turned back after seeing the hatch timing
On November 10 2017 00:29 Leviance wrote: Korean stream has dropped hard in viewers
People were just waiting to see if MMA was going to look like a 6.1k MMR korean ladder player with almost no experience in 2017 patch lotv and the new patch... turns out he does.
On November 10 2017 00:50 geokilla wrote: I don't understand why Terrans are still trying for Hellion runbys. Time and time again, they've proven to be ineffective.
Hellion runbys won games at WCS Global Finals/Blizzcon.
On November 10 2017 01:02 Musicus wrote: So what's happening on the b-stream?
I thought Terran can not win vs Protoss?
How is uThermal up 2-0?
Game 1: uThermal sieged up Neeb's 5th and Neeb didn't handle it well at all (he didn't have enough immortals, air, or even chargelots) which then turned into a funky base trade which uThermal won pretty decisively. Game 2: Neeb scouted the lack of barracks in uThermal's main but handled the proxy reapers poorly. (he maybe chrono'd probes when he needed another stalker)
Neeb lost game 4 due to a pure bio (no medivac) attack on his 3rd. He tried to build some shield batteries, but with his low DPS, smaller army, they couldn't hold up against bio DPS.
On November 10 2017 01:13 Boggyb wrote: Neeb lost game 4 due to a pure bio (no medivac) attack on his 3rd. He tried to build some shield batteries, but with his low DPS, smaller army, they couldn't hold up against bio DPS.
He played to sloppy with his build tho, multiple oracles, no SCV damage, even losing some. Uthermal just made units on 2 bases and Neeb had nothing to stop it, I don't thing even the MsC would've mattered, except Uthermal would have gotten a few less marines to have medivacs.
On November 10 2017 01:13 Boggyb wrote: Neeb lost game 4 due to a pure bio (no medivac) attack on his 3rd. He tried to build some shield batteries, but with his low DPS, smaller army, they couldn't hold up against bio DPS.
He played to sloppy with his build tho, multiple oracles, no SCV damage, even losing some. Uthermal just made units on 2 bases and Neeb had nothing to stop it, I don't thing even the MsC would've mattered, except Uthermal would have gotten a few less marines to have medivacs.
Neeb looked like someone who doesn't have a lot of experience with the new patch and maps. I wouldn't read too much into balance based on his games.
On November 10 2017 01:20 Boggyb wrote: How much has Stephano been playing lately? I know he won the WESG France qualifier, but Drogo has been a shadow of his 2016 self in 2017.
On November 10 2017 01:23 Boggyb wrote: Have we seen new parasitic bomb? I was watching the Neeb uThermal series so missed games 3, 4, and most of game 5.
Those infested terrans looked pretty strong. Will be interesting to see if Blizzard nerfs it or gives Terran players a chance to figure it out (if it can be).
IT would be ok-ish if fungal didn't had such a big radius. I think the extra damage to air can be tonned down but getting 3/3 would be so bad considering that pre patch they were never used.
On November 10 2017 01:35 geokilla wrote: Stephano vs Harstem is gonna be interesting. Who do you guys think will take it?
probably Stephano, infestors too strong
Will he make it to the late game though? Even though MMA donated so many units in the early and mid game, Stephano looked really shaky. Sure it's a different matchup but still...
I mean after the first game protoss was declared OP now it's zerg. Players will need time to adapt and Blizzard needs to be on top of the numbers game coming month. Lets give new curlyhair david kim some benefit of the doubt.
Maybe some healdrone mech push will turn out to be unstoppable who knows
On November 10 2017 01:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I mean after the first game protoss was declared OP now it's zerg. Players will need time to adapt and Blizzard needs to be on top of the numbers game coming month. Lets give new curlyhair david kim some benefit of the doubt.
Maybe some healdrone mech push will turn out to be unstoppable who knows
On November 10 2017 01:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I mean after the first game protoss was declared OP now it's zerg. Players will need time to adapt and Blizzard needs to be on top of the numbers game coming month. Lets give new curlyhair david kim some benefit of the doubt.
Maybe some healdrone mech push will turn out to be unstoppable who knows
this is what no one understands. patch is new -> everyone rages over everything being BROKEN
has been like that since WoL 1.0
ofc balance talk should happen, but the way some people are biased or think their opinion is a fact is ridiculous
Time to look towards the next games. Patience vs Solar, Jjakji vs PtitDrogo, and MaNa vs Lambo. Gotta bet some money while I'm sitting here being bored at work.
Zerg scouting got better even without considering the speed buff due to the mothership core not being readily available to shoo away the overlords hanging on the overlord spots. I wonder if there's a way to abuse that with a fast liberator.
On November 10 2017 03:30 Noonius wrote: this map looks like weird version of habitation station
All bilaterally symmetric maps look kinda similar tbh (even discounting the fact that it's the same mapmaker). But BotB is quite different from Habitation play-wise.
On November 10 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote: Ah damn, MMA ruined the pathetic winrate of foreigners against koreans in bo5s. Jk awesome that he looked competitive.
You only chose the metric of offline Bo5 because it artificially deflates the winrate of the foreigners due to all the games with lower level foreigners (as if it needs any deflating). Statistically speaking the difference between a Bo3 and a Bo5 is just something like 5%.
On November 10 2017 03:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What happened in jjakji vs Drogo?
You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
On November 10 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote: Ah damn, MMA ruined the pathetic winrate of foreigners against koreans in bo5s. Jk awesome that he looked competitive.
You only chose the metric of offline Bo5 because it artificially deflates the winrate of the foreigners due to all the games with lower level foreigners (as if it needs any deflating). Statistically speaking the difference between a Bo3 and a Bo5 is just something like 5%.
It's not just that, if we take both blizzcons and katowice foreigners are 0-15 in maps and that were only the best of the best foreigners.
On November 10 2017 03:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What happened in jjakji vs Drogo?
You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
On November 10 2017 03:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What happened in jjakji vs Drogo?
You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
On November 10 2017 03:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What happened in jjakji vs Drogo?
You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
I'm not gonna lie, unless it's a hysterical meme, I don't typically remember what's written in an LR thread.
On November 10 2017 03:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What happened in jjakji vs Drogo?
You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
On November 10 2017 03:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What happened in jjakji vs Drogo?
You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
On November 10 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote: Ah damn, MMA ruined the pathetic winrate of foreigners against koreans in bo5s. Jk awesome that he looked competitive.
You only chose the metric of offline Bo5 because it artificially deflates the winrate of the foreigners due to all the games with lower level foreigners (as if it needs any deflating). Statistically speaking the difference between a Bo3 and a Bo5 is just something like 5%.
It's not just that, if we take both blizzcons and katowice foreigners are 0-15 in maps and that were only the best of the best foreigners.
I think koreans just play more confident in longer series because they know they're bettwr and getting cheesed won't be enough to eliminate them. Whereas in bo3 you get cheesed 1 time and suddenly your 1 game from losing the series.
On November 10 2017 03:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What happened in jjakji vs Drogo?
You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
I bet his 100k will be
"lol"
I hope he dedicates it to Enel in the One Piece thread. He's a key contributor there.
On November 10 2017 03:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What happened in jjakji vs Drogo?
You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
I'm not gonna lie, unless it's a hysterical meme, I don't typically remember what's written in an LR thread.
On November 10 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote: Ah damn, MMA ruined the pathetic winrate of foreigners against koreans in bo5s. Jk awesome that he looked competitive.
You only chose the metric of offline Bo5 because it artificially deflates the winrate of the foreigners due to all the games with lower level foreigners (as if it needs any deflating). Statistically speaking the difference between a Bo3 and a Bo5 is just something like 5%.
From a pure win% standpoint, I can see how the difference between bo3 and bo5 is minimal. But when it comes to actual players there seems to be a big difference. It's much easier to catch someone of guard with 2 allins than 3. And generally players will have more time to adapt to their opponent, and in many cases take the match more seriously
On November 10 2017 03:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What happened in jjakji vs Drogo?
You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
I bet his 100k will be
"lol"
You give him too much credit. He wont realize that he hit it.
On November 10 2017 03:50 geokilla wrote: [quote] You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
I bet his 100k will be
"lol"
I hope he dedicates it to Enel in the One Piece thread. He's a key contributor there.
On November 10 2017 03:50 geokilla wrote: [quote] You live in Iraq?
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
I bet his 100k will be
"lol"
I hope he dedicates it to Enel in the One Piece thread. He's a key contributor there.
So if we keep shitposting in that thread, he'll eventually hit 100k... interesting.
On November 10 2017 03:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote: [quote]
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
I bet his 100k will be
"lol"
I hope he dedicates it to Enel in the One Piece thread. He's a key contributor there.
On November 10 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote: Ah damn, MMA ruined the pathetic winrate of foreigners against koreans in bo5s. Jk awesome that he looked competitive.
You only chose the metric of offline Bo5 because it artificially deflates the winrate of the foreigners due to all the games with lower level foreigners (as if it needs any deflating). Statistically speaking the difference between a Bo3 and a Bo5 is just something like 5%.
From a pure win% standpoint, I can see how the difference between bo3 and bo5 is minimal. But when it comes to actual players there seems to be a big difference. It's much easier to catch someone of guard with 2 allins than 3. And generally players will have more time to adapt to their opponent, and in many cases take the match more seriously
The preparation is the bigger bit imo, since Bo5 are usually big tournament games. But if you look a things like TING groups or HSC I don't think the results look too different from if they were Bo3s.
On November 10 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote: Ah damn, MMA ruined the pathetic winrate of foreigners against koreans in bo5s. Jk awesome that he looked competitive.
You only chose the metric of offline Bo5 because it artificially deflates the winrate of the foreigners due to all the games with lower level foreigners (as if it needs any deflating). Statistically speaking the difference between a Bo3 and a Bo5 is just something like 5%.
From a pure win% standpoint, I can see how the difference between bo3 and bo5 is minimal. But when it comes to actual players there seems to be a big difference. It's much easier to catch someone of guard with 2 allins than 3. And generally players will have more time to adapt to their opponent, and in many cases take the match more seriously
The preparation is the bigger bit imo, since Bo5 are usually big tournament games. But if you look a things like TING groups or HSC I don't think the results look too different from if they were Bo3s.
Foreigners have no problems winning bo3's as shown at Blizzcon and IEM Katowice
On November 10 2017 03:54 Cricketer12 wrote: [quote] WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
I bet his 100k will be
"lol"
I hope he dedicates it to Enel in the One Piece thread. He's a key contributor there.
On November 10 2017 03:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote: [quote]
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
I bet his 100k will be
"lol"
I hope he dedicates it to Enel in the One Piece thread. He's a key contributor there.
I.. just learned about a new TL thing
So you're probably our next 50k poster...
this changes everything indeed
I find that thread is a bit slow to be honest, which is probably why I also don't have 50k posts yet.
On November 10 2017 03:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote: [quote]
Never been there. I'm Canadian.
WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
I bet his 100k will be
"lol"
I hope he dedicates it to Enel in the One Piece thread. He's a key contributor there.
I.. just learned about a new TL thing
You've missed years of amazing discussions such as "Is the author wrong about his own work?", "Is ice a state of matter?", and of course the everlasting question of whether or not Enel is the greatest existence in the One Piece universe.
On November 10 2017 03:54 Cricketer12 wrote: [quote] WTF
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
I bet his 100k will be
"lol"
I hope he dedicates it to Enel in the One Piece thread. He's a key contributor there.
I.. just learned about a new TL thing
You've missed years of amazing discussions such as "Is the author wrong about his own work?", "Is ice a state of matter?", and of course the everlasting question of whether or not Enel is the greatest existence in the One Piece universe.
On November 10 2017 03:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote: [quote]
Gotta live up to the name of Ziggurat Of Ur you know.
Fair enough, but this is easily one of the top 8 anime plot twists of all time.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it in an LR before... But it does come up once in a while--even had a guy PM me as the 'only other Assyrian' on this site.
also
10k coming up
I haven't prepared anything. Shellshock's 100k will be just as underwhelming as this.
I bet his 100k will be
"lol"
I hope he dedicates it to Enel in the One Piece thread. He's a key contributor there.
I.. just learned about a new TL thing
You've missed years of amazing discussions such as "Is the author wrong about his own work?", "Is ice a state of matter?", and of course the everlasting question of whether or not Enel is the greatest existence in the One Piece universe.
On November 10 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote: Ah damn, MMA ruined the pathetic winrate of foreigners against koreans in bo5s. Jk awesome that he looked competitive.
You only chose the metric of offline Bo5 because it artificially deflates the winrate of the foreigners due to all the games with lower level foreigners (as if it needs any deflating). Statistically speaking the difference between a Bo3 and a Bo5 is just something like 5%.
From a pure win% standpoint, I can see how the difference between bo3 and bo5 is minimal. But when it comes to actual players there seems to be a big difference. It's much easier to catch someone of guard with 2 allins than 3. And generally players will have more time to adapt to their opponent, and in many cases take the match more seriously
The preparation is the bigger bit imo, since Bo5 are usually big tournament games. But if you look a things like TING groups or HSC I don't think the results look too different from if they were Bo3s.
Foreigners have no problems winning bo3's as shown at Blizzcon and IEM Katowice
You're comparing only a few dozen series though--I don't think you can draw meaningful conclusions from that.
On November 10 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote: Ah damn, MMA ruined the pathetic winrate of foreigners against koreans in bo5s. Jk awesome that he looked competitive.
You only chose the metric of offline Bo5 because it artificially deflates the winrate of the foreigners due to all the games with lower level foreigners (as if it needs any deflating). Statistically speaking the difference between a Bo3 and a Bo5 is just something like 5%.
From a pure win% standpoint, I can see how the difference between bo3 and bo5 is minimal. But when it comes to actual players there seems to be a big difference. It's much easier to catch someone of guard with 2 allins than 3. And generally players will have more time to adapt to their opponent, and in many cases take the match more seriously
The preparation is the bigger bit imo, since Bo5 are usually big tournament games. But if you look a things like TING groups or HSC I don't think the results look too different from if they were Bo3s.
Foreigners have no problems winning bo3's as shown at Blizzcon and IEM Katowice
You're comparing only a few dozen series though--I don't think you can draw meaningful conclusions from that.
Well this Blizzcon they have taken more bo3s than they have taken bo5s the entire year
On November 10 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote: Ah damn, MMA ruined the pathetic winrate of foreigners against koreans in bo5s. Jk awesome that he looked competitive.
You only chose the metric of offline Bo5 because it artificially deflates the winrate of the foreigners due to all the games with lower level foreigners (as if it needs any deflating). Statistically speaking the difference between a Bo3 and a Bo5 is just something like 5%.
From a pure win% standpoint, I can see how the difference between bo3 and bo5 is minimal. But when it comes to actual players there seems to be a big difference. It's much easier to catch someone of guard with 2 allins than 3. And generally players will have more time to adapt to their opponent, and in many cases take the match more seriously
The preparation is the bigger bit imo, since Bo5 are usually big tournament games. But if you look a things like TING groups or HSC I don't think the results look too different from if they were Bo3s.
Foreigners have no problems winning bo3's as shown at Blizzcon and IEM Katowice
You're comparing only a few dozen series though--I don't think you can draw meaningful conclusions from that.
Well this Blizzcon they have taken more bo3s than they have taken bo5s the entire year
They also played about as many bo3s as bo5s were played all year.
On November 10 2017 04:28 Morbidius wrote: Terran got nearly nothing in a matchup they were already struggling in pre-patch, while zerg got some sizeable buffs. Doesn't look too good.
On November 10 2017 04:42 Boggyb wrote: If mech is the only option in TvZ and Zerg can skip on things like overlord speed and spores, things are not going to work out well for Terran.
On November 10 2017 04:42 Boggyb wrote: If mech is the only option in TvZ and Zerg can skip on things like overlord speed and spores, things are not going to work out well for Terran.
why are Z skipping those? no raven threat?
Overlords are faster. Widow mines are revealed after shooting. Raven harass is no longer an option.
Wow this went exactly how I imagined PvP when I first heard the changes. Except that they didn't rush the first two adepts into the opponent's mineral line. Not encouraging.
As a question, will VODs of this tournament ever appear on youtube and if so where/when? My current net arrangement is quite anti-twitch as much as I am trying to watch live >.<
On November 10 2017 05:41 Nebuchad wrote: Was there a change to the immortal in this patch?
No.
I wonder if double proxy immo with one of those things that regen shields is going to be broken as fuck, cause it sure feels like it should be in theory.
On November 10 2017 05:43 sparklyresidue wrote: What's an unbiased (lol) look at today so far? I've just gotten off work and haven't seen much except for this PvP.
On November 10 2017 05:41 Nebuchad wrote: Was there a change to the immortal in this patch?
No.
I wonder if double proxy immo with one of those things that regen shields is going to be broken as fuck, cause it sure feels like it should be in theory.
Maybe but succesfully proxying the shield batteries far enough forward to be useful sounds difficult, especially when your opponent has shield batteries. Also you might lose all your workers to oracles in the meantime.
On November 10 2017 05:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Maybe but succesfully proxying the shield batteries far enough forward to be useful sounds difficult, especially when your opponent has shield batteries. Also you might lost all your workers to oracles.
Sorry I was thinking of PvT, should have mentioned it. In PvP it should run into the same issues as it did in the last patch, as you point out.
On November 10 2017 05:50 intotheheart wrote: Has anyone been going for a lot of Adepts over Stalkers early game?
I think you should definitely do so on ladder at the very least. Defending stuff is way harder than killing their stuff.
I meant in this particular tournament. I understand the guys haven't done full testing in the amount of time given (or any testing) but it'd be cool to see how they juggle the unit changes, at least in the early game.
On November 10 2017 05:50 intotheheart wrote: Has anyone been going for a lot of Adepts over Stalkers early game?
I think you should definitely do so on ladder at the very least. Defending stuff is way harder than killing their stuff.
I meant in this particular tournament. I understand the guys haven't done full testing in the amount of time given (or any testing) but it'd be cool to see how they juggle the unit changes, at least in the early game.
Well this is the first PvP we've seen. In other match-ups people have been going for more stalkers generally due to the changes.
On November 10 2017 07:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Nice performance from Snute! Good day for the liquid boys
and 'How much is the fish' is such a good song
Motherfucking Scooter out of nowhere after all these years hit me like a train. It turns out these guys are still making music! Suddenly the world is a little bit better.
On November 10 2017 07:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Nice performance from Snute! Good day for the liquid boys
and 'How much is the fish' is such a good song
Motherfucking Scooter out of nowhere after all these years hit me like a train. It turns out these guys are still making music! Suddenly the world is a little bit better.
On November 10 2017 07:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Nice performance from Snute! Good day for the liquid boys
and 'How much is the fish' is such a good song
Motherfucking Scooter out of nowhere after all these years hit me like a train. It turns out these guys are still making music! Suddenly the world is a little bit better.
woah they released a new album last year lmao
what a find
I mean, good for them, I didn't expect that. The 90's was a magical time.
Drogo had the stalkers behind the mineral line when jjakji was dropping by the gateways then the stalkers by the gateways when jjakji was dropping behind the mineral line. RIP.
When does Charoisaur make a post about how today foreigners have more than doubled their number of wins in offline bo5s against Koreans since last years Blizzcon?
On November 10 2017 08:25 jalstar wrote: How do people think the balance is? Anything clearly broken?
Current consensus seems to be Z > P > T with zerg late game being very good, but I wouldn't draw any conclusions yet. There wasn't any one build that seemed unstoppable or anything.
On November 10 2017 08:25 jalstar wrote: How do people think the balance is? Anything clearly broken?
Current consensus seems to be Z > P > T with zerg late game being very good, but I wouldn't draw any conclusions yet. There wasn't any one build that seemed unstoppable or anything.
The results looked more balanced than I expected, but sometimes results are misleading as to how the game actually feels.
On November 10 2017 08:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote: When does Charoisaur make a post about how today foreigners have more than doubled their number of wins in offline bo5s against Koreans since last years Blizzcon?
On November 10 2017 15:05 Phredxor wrote: Nah just ban people who lie about their location.
agreed
brb, buying a plane ticket.
Pls dont kill usopsama. I enjoy his polls.
They get a bit repetitive sometimes. Hating on foreigners is fine I guess, but it's also a low hanging fruit. If there's some creativity thrown in, some nuanced hatred, then it's pretty good. But this isn't the highest skilled shitposting era, no matter what people say.
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