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On November 05 2017 10:17 Wintex wrote:
ok we hit over 100 pages this thread was a success and we all contributed towards restoring starcraft's rightful spot at the top of the esports hierarchy
Right below Overwatch 
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On November 05 2017 10:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
One day soO... one day
I hope that picture fills up with winners until there is no space left.
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I don't know how you could ever say that rogue was a "never-gonna-be-a-champion" kind of player. dude followed the exact same path of like 90% of successful brood war players. he was great in progleague, and slowly built up a solo career over years of sitting in a team house until it all clicked. that's how it works. with Jin Air the last korean team, frankly it would've been surprising if they didn't have someone like rogue do this this year.
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On November 05 2017 10:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I would love to be happy for Rogue atm because i really like him as a player, but i simply cannot right now.
TY losing was already tough, but man soO losing and getting 2nd again is just heartbreaking. Reminds me so much of 2013 when my favorite player ever lost in the finals, just emotional emptyness right now :/
I hope soO can bounce back from this, just like he did time and time again, that's exactly why i am a fan of him in the first place. He never gave up even if it was tempting. FIGHTING!
At least those players lost because they were outplayed, nothing is more heartbreaking then a player throwing a 100% won game. Godamnit Inno
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On November 05 2017 10:13 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 10:07 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 10:02 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 10:00 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 09:58 Shellshock wrote:On November 05 2017 09:57 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 09:55 Boggyb wrote:On November 05 2017 09:54 Shellshock wrote:On November 05 2017 09:54 Wintex wrote:
honestly rogue is whatever when winning. the soO storyline would have been so much better for the game as a whole
nothing against the guy, but a rogue kind of guy would never have won in the past, while soO is special. that is completely your opinion. Rogue is plenty special to me Seriously. People need to look at Rogue's 2016 results and realize how far he has come and how amazing this run was. oh my god dude who cares about that 2016 and 17 have been a sham compared to sc2 of the past. soO and TY are different almost qualitatively from Rogue. Shame the hot streak lasted this long. the only thing different about them is that they had fans in bw but Rogue was one of the hottest players coming into the tournament off the back of the super tournament win. soO has had long streaks of terrible matchups this year. Form is everything and Rogue came into the tournament with top 2 form Rogue was also great in SPL, I always had him on my FPL team and it pretty much always paid off. It's not like he did nothing before this year. Tons of ro8s in GSL too back then. Rogue was a middle class never-going-to-be-a-champion player bar a super nice event where everything clicks. Now the pool allows him to win. Was maybe. Now he is the best zerg there is and incredibly hard working. The players he beat recently are exactly the players who were the greats in your "best era of sc2". Innovation, soO, herO, TY, Maru, Dear... or are all those players also players who couldn't do shit when the player pool was deeper back then? Musicus, do you really think your argument about him beating them in this lower skill period holds any relevance when I talk about stuff in the past? All of those guys won tournaments when there was a larger pool of players/high level competition. He might have changed, but my old view of him still lingers since I haven't watched enough these past two years to have an opinion that is relevant to respond to, lol.
Well I think all those guys are better than ever, but Rogue still stands above them right now. If he was beating up nonames who didn't accomplish anything back then, I could see your point, but instead he is destroying legends consistently.
He is just so good right now, barely losing 2-3 to Stats in GSL season 3, after dominating soO and Classic in the group stage. Top4 SSL challenge, winning IEM Shanghai, winning the GSL Super Tournament. If you watched him in recent months, there is absolutely an amazing story to follow and his wins feel completely deserved. He also had the harder bracket, so it just feels right, even though I was cheering for soO.
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On November 05 2017 10:22 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 10:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I would love to be happy for Rogue atm because i really like him as a player, but i simply cannot right now.
TY losing was already tough, but man soO losing and getting 2nd again is just heartbreaking. Reminds me so much of 2013 when my favorite player ever lost in the finals, just emotional emptyness right now :/
I hope soO can bounce back from this, just like he did time and time again, that's exactly why i am a fan of him in the first place. He never gave up even if it was tempting. FIGHTING!
At least those players lost because they were outplayed, nothing is more heartbreaking then a player throwing a 100% won game. Godamnit Inno
Remember IEM Shangai? How Inno throw in the ro8, then TY threw in the ro4 after being up 2-0, then Rogue ended up winning?
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What a shitty esport day for me.
The worse scenarios happened LOL.
SKT getting trashed on, TY getting reverse sweeped, SpeCial losing I don't care that much but he did look bad vs soO so that's sad since people will keep trolling foreigners.
ZvZ final, I actually watched because I had to see soO finally win. But he loses.
Crap.
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On November 05 2017 10:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I would love to be happy for Rogue atm because i really like him as a player, but i simply cannot right now.
TY losing was already tough, but man soO losing and getting 2nd again is just heartbreaking. Reminds me so much of 2013 when my favorite player ever lost in the finals, just emotional emptyness right now :/
I hope soO can bounce back from this, just like he did time and time again, that's exactly why i am a fan of him in the first place. He never gave up even if it was tempting. FIGHTING!
Well-said. soO will be always here with us and going to many more finals. One day and hopefully it is soon, he will win it big to make up for all the loses.
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What if SoO built mutalisks?
Theres got to be a way
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On November 05 2017 10:24 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 10:13 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 10:07 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 10:02 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 10:00 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 09:58 Shellshock wrote:On November 05 2017 09:57 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 09:55 Boggyb wrote:On November 05 2017 09:54 Shellshock wrote:On November 05 2017 09:54 Wintex wrote:
honestly rogue is whatever when winning. the soO storyline would have been so much better for the game as a whole
nothing against the guy, but a rogue kind of guy would never have won in the past, while soO is special. that is completely your opinion. Rogue is plenty special to me Seriously. People need to look at Rogue's 2016 results and realize how far he has come and how amazing this run was. oh my god dude who cares about that 2016 and 17 have been a sham compared to sc2 of the past. soO and TY are different almost qualitatively from Rogue. Shame the hot streak lasted this long. the only thing different about them is that they had fans in bw but Rogue was one of the hottest players coming into the tournament off the back of the super tournament win. soO has had long streaks of terrible matchups this year. Form is everything and Rogue came into the tournament with top 2 form Rogue was also great in SPL, I always had him on my FPL team and it pretty much always paid off. It's not like he did nothing before this year. Tons of ro8s in GSL too back then. Rogue was a middle class never-going-to-be-a-champion player bar a super nice event where everything clicks. Now the pool allows him to win. Was maybe. Now he is the best zerg there is and incredibly hard working. The players he beat recently are exactly the players who were the greats in your "best era of sc2". Innovation, soO, herO, TY, Maru, Dear... or are all those players also players who couldn't do shit when the player pool was deeper back then? Musicus, do you really think your argument about him beating them in this lower skill period holds any relevance when I talk about stuff in the past? All of those guys won tournaments when there was a larger pool of players/high level competition. He might have changed, but my old view of him still lingers since I haven't watched enough these past two years to have an opinion that is relevant to respond to, lol. Well I think all those guys are better than ever, but Rogue still stands above them right now. If he was beating up nonames who didn't accomplish anything back then, I could see your point, but instead he is destroying legends consistently. He is just so good right now, barely losing 2-3 to Stats in GSL season 3, after dominating soO and Classic in the group stage. Top4 SSL, winning IEM Shanghai, winning the GSL Super Tournament. If you watched him in recent months, there is absolutely an amazing story to follow and his wins feel completely deserved. He also had the harder bracket, so it just feels right, even though I was cheering for soO.
Rogue is the best in the world rn for sure, but top 4 SSL was SSL challenge :>
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On November 05 2017 10:27 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 10:24 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 10:13 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 10:07 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 10:02 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 10:00 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 09:58 Shellshock wrote:On November 05 2017 09:57 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 09:55 Boggyb wrote:On November 05 2017 09:54 Shellshock wrote:
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that is completely your opinion. Rogue is plenty special to me Seriously. People need to look at Rogue's 2016 results and realize how far he has come and how amazing this run was. oh my god dude who cares about that 2016 and 17 have been a sham compared to sc2 of the past. soO and TY are different almost qualitatively from Rogue. Shame the hot streak lasted this long. the only thing different about them is that they had fans in bw but Rogue was one of the hottest players coming into the tournament off the back of the super tournament win. soO has had long streaks of terrible matchups this year. Form is everything and Rogue came into the tournament with top 2 form Rogue was also great in SPL, I always had him on my FPL team and it pretty much always paid off. It's not like he did nothing before this year. Tons of ro8s in GSL too back then. Rogue was a middle class never-going-to-be-a-champion player bar a super nice event where everything clicks. Now the pool allows him to win. Was maybe. Now he is the best zerg there is and incredibly hard working. The players he beat recently are exactly the players who were the greats in your "best era of sc2". Innovation, soO, herO, TY, Maru, Dear... or are all those players also players who couldn't do shit when the player pool was deeper back then? Musicus, do you really think your argument about him beating them in this lower skill period holds any relevance when I talk about stuff in the past? All of those guys won tournaments when there was a larger pool of players/high level competition. He might have changed, but my old view of him still lingers since I haven't watched enough these past two years to have an opinion that is relevant to respond to, lol. Well I think all those guys are better than ever, but Rogue still stands above them right now. If he was beating up nonames who didn't accomplish anything back then, I could see your point, but instead he is destroying legends consistently. He is just so good right now, barely losing 2-3 to Stats in GSL season 3, after dominating soO and Classic in the group stage. Top4 SSL, winning IEM Shanghai, winning the GSL Super Tournament. If you watched him in recent months, there is absolutely an amazing story to follow and his wins feel completely deserved. He also had the harder bracket, so it just feels right, even though I was cheering for soO. Rogue is the best in the world rn for sure, but top 4 SSL was SSL challenge :>
Oh yeah true, just misread that on LP, but SSL is weird in that way that challenge actually has players just as sick as premiere 
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On November 05 2017 10:18 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 10:17 Wintex wrote:
ok we hit over 100 pages this thread was a success and we all contributed towards restoring starcraft's rightful spot at the top of the esports hierarchy Right below Overwatch
well we can't compete with a perfect 10 out of 10
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On November 05 2017 10:16 Zaros wrote:
If soO ever comes back from this and wins a tournament he will be the greatest player of all time.
He'll never be the greatest player of all time because he'll be remembered as the man who finished second in all his tournament finals.
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Anyway, it was a cool BlizzCon, I better sleep or I will miss my LRTL match.
Hopefully soO doesn't feel too bad, he has 140k reasons to continue!
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On November 05 2017 10:10 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 10:05 Ansibled wrote:On November 05 2017 10:02 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 10:00 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 09:58 Shellshock wrote:On November 05 2017 09:57 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 09:55 Boggyb wrote:On November 05 2017 09:54 Shellshock wrote:On November 05 2017 09:54 Wintex wrote:
honestly rogue is whatever when winning. the soO storyline would have been so much better for the game as a whole
nothing against the guy, but a rogue kind of guy would never have won in the past, while soO is special. that is completely your opinion. Rogue is plenty special to me Seriously. People need to look at Rogue's 2016 results and realize how far he has come and how amazing this run was. oh my god dude who cares about that 2016 and 17 have been a sham compared to sc2 of the past. soO and TY are different almost qualitatively from Rogue. Shame the hot streak lasted this long. the only thing different about them is that they had fans in bw but Rogue was one of the hottest players coming into the tournament off the back of the super tournament win. soO has had long streaks of terrible matchups this year. Form is everything and Rogue came into the tournament with top 2 form Rogue was also great in SPL, I always had him on my FPL team and it pretty much always paid off. It's not like he did nothing before this year. Tons of ro8s in GSL too back then. Rogue was a middle class never-going-to-be-a-champion player bar a super nice event where everything clicks. Now the pool allows him to win. I'm glad we can magically decide players are never worthy of winning a championship . Oh come on you know what I mean. For most players, the first few seasons kind of tell you their potential to actually make something happen. It's rare to sit in a mediocre position for a large period of time and then suddenly become consistently a contender. The easiest case to refer to is from dota with the VP roster with illidan and lil/fng. Great squad, but never a true contender.
Dark? TY?
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On November 05 2017 10:28 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 10:27 ArtyK wrote:On November 05 2017 10:24 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 10:13 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 10:07 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 10:02 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 10:00 Musicus wrote:On November 05 2017 09:58 Shellshock wrote:On November 05 2017 09:57 Wintex wrote:On November 05 2017 09:55 Boggyb wrote:
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Seriously. People need to look at Rogue's 2016 results and realize how far he has come and how amazing this run was. oh my god dude who cares about that 2016 and 17 have been a sham compared to sc2 of the past. soO and TY are different almost qualitatively from Rogue. Shame the hot streak lasted this long. the only thing different about them is that they had fans in bw but Rogue was one of the hottest players coming into the tournament off the back of the super tournament win. soO has had long streaks of terrible matchups this year. Form is everything and Rogue came into the tournament with top 2 form Rogue was also great in SPL, I always had him on my FPL team and it pretty much always paid off. It's not like he did nothing before this year. Tons of ro8s in GSL too back then. Rogue was a middle class never-going-to-be-a-champion player bar a super nice event where everything clicks. Now the pool allows him to win. Was maybe. Now he is the best zerg there is and incredibly hard working. The players he beat recently are exactly the players who were the greats in your "best era of sc2". Innovation, soO, herO, TY, Maru, Dear... or are all those players also players who couldn't do shit when the player pool was deeper back then? Musicus, do you really think your argument about him beating them in this lower skill period holds any relevance when I talk about stuff in the past? All of those guys won tournaments when there was a larger pool of players/high level competition. He might have changed, but my old view of him still lingers since I haven't watched enough these past two years to have an opinion that is relevant to respond to, lol. Well I think all those guys are better than ever, but Rogue still stands above them right now. If he was beating up nonames who didn't accomplish anything back then, I could see your point, but instead he is destroying legends consistently. He is just so good right now, barely losing 2-3 to Stats in GSL season 3, after dominating soO and Classic in the group stage. Top4 SSL, winning IEM Shanghai, winning the GSL Super Tournament. If you watched him in recent months, there is absolutely an amazing story to follow and his wins feel completely deserved. He also had the harder bracket, so it just feels right, even though I was cheering for soO. Rogue is the best in the world rn for sure, but top 4 SSL was SSL challenge :> Oh yeah true, just misread that on LP, but SSL is weird in that way that challenge actually has players just as sick as premiere
No it doesn't.
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On November 05 2017 10:25 Poopi wrote:
What a shitty esport day for me.
The worse scenarios happened LOL.
SKT getting trashed on, TY getting reverse sweeped, SpeCial losing I don't care that much but he did look bad vs soO so that's sad since people will keep trolling foreigners.
ZvZ final, I actually watched because I had to see soO finally win. But he loses.
Crap.
today was at least ok for me cause i was cheering for Samsung....oh yeah and seeing korea win the overwatch thing again makes me happy
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On November 05 2017 10:32 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 10:25 Poopi wrote:
What a shitty esport day for me.
The worse scenarios happened LOL.
SKT getting trashed on, TY getting reverse sweeped, SpeCial losing I don't care that much but he did look bad vs soO so that's sad since people will keep trolling foreigners.
ZvZ final, I actually watched because I had to see soO finally win. But he loses.
Crap. today was at least ok for me cause i was cheering for Samsung....oh yeah and seeing korea win the overwatch thing again makes me happy
Yeah seeing Korea dominate yet another game is amazing, but I don't care that much about Overwatch.
Samsung is a cool team so it helps a bit.
Well, Rogue had an amazing end of the year so this win fits. INno forever bad at Blizzcon though.
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On November 05 2017 10:25 Poopi wrote:
What a shitty esport day for me.
The worse scenarios happened LOL.
SKT getting trashed on, TY getting reverse sweeped, SpeCial losing I don't care that much but he did look bad vs soO so that's sad since people will keep trolling foreigners.
ZvZ final, I actually watched because I had to see soO finally win. But he loses.
Crap.
See SKT getting trashed on was the highlight of my day.
Samsung Taliyah is going to look great.
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