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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 09 2017 18:44 GMT
#281
How does Has even mess up things that people above 4,5k mmr do flawlessly?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
September 09 2017 18:46 GMT
#282
On September 10 2017 03:41 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 03:40 Topin wrote:
On September 10 2017 03:37 Elentos wrote:
Just follow the progress of mech in Korea. GuMiho, Inno and TY meching is nothing unusual. If guys like aLive start meching, you know something is up. And if ByuN ever starts meching you know the meta is fucked.

i thought inno was 75% bio and 25% mech

He was until yesterday. Inno is also the guy with arguably the best bio and arguably the best mech, so he has the luxury of switching it up whenever he wants. All the other Korean Terrans fall pretty clearly into one camp or the other.

By which I mean, Gumi sticks to mech and the other Terrans stick to bio. Inno picks and chooses.

Well, even Inno prefers bio most of the time (unless there's a build going on which makes it seem to him like mech is clearly better) but true, he can play his bio and mech on basically the same level. Other than TY nobody really does. And TY is an overall worse TvZ player than Inno so he's not even that free with choosing.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10092 Posts
September 09 2017 18:46 GMT
#283
On September 10 2017 03:44 Ej_ wrote:
How does Has even mess up things that people above 4,5k mmr do flawlessly?

mind games
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 09 2017 18:47 GMT
#284
On September 10 2017 03:44 Ej_ wrote:
How does Has even mess up things that people above 4,5k mmr do flawlessly?


I don't think he has any practice hours dedicated to "regular" play.

If you never do something you'll never develop the skills in that area
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-09 18:48:07
September 09 2017 18:47 GMT
#285
Soo many zergs!!! I had hopes for Special and MaSa and both performed terrible Its going to be a zergfest and neeb.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 09 2017 18:47 GMT
#286
I'm still waiting for that killer mechanical protoss to copy Has' builds and rule the world
Neosteel Enthusiast
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 09 2017 18:47 GMT
#287
infestors is a bm strat. snute should be ashamed
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 09 2017 18:47 GMT
#288
On September 10 2017 03:47 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 03:44 Ej_ wrote:
How does Has even mess up things that people above 4,5k mmr do flawlessly?


I don't think he has any practice hours dedicated to "regular" play.

If you never do something you'll never develop the skills in that area

oracle into carriers is the only thing he does vs Zerg, save for the occasional chargelot all-in
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 09 2017 18:48 GMT
#289
On September 10 2017 03:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm still waiting for that killer mechanical protoss to copy Has' builds and rule the world

it's how Shura qualified
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
September 09 2017 18:48 GMT
#290
On September 10 2017 03:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm still waiting for that killer mechanical protoss to copy Has' builds and rule the world

I mean mass oracle is the meta in Korea so at least this time he was on the right track.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Bayaz90
Profile Joined July 2017
54 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-09 18:48:57
September 09 2017 18:48 GMT
#291
[QUOTE]On September 10 2017 03:42 Fango wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 10 2017 03:40 Elentos wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 10 2017 03:38 Fango wrote:
I just don't get why every terran (KR and foreign) is jumping on the mech hype. They were winning fine with bio[/QUOTE]
Most of the ladder maps are pretty uncomfortably big for bio to be honest. I'm surprised the mechening didn't start earlier [/QUOTE]

Foreign Zergs have perfected defending Terran aggression and getting to Ultras on these maps. Sub 220 EPM Terrans just arent gonna have a chance against players like Serral or Elazer playing bio-- their only chance is some cheese aggression into mech and pray they get to 200 supply.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10092 Posts
September 09 2017 18:48 GMT
#292
On September 10 2017 03:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm still waiting for that killer mechanical protoss to copy Has' builds and rule the world

Myungsik is playing again... maybe?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
September 09 2017 18:49 GMT
#293
On September 10 2017 03:47 Argonauta wrote:
Soo many zergs!!! I had hopes for Special and MaSa and both performed terrible Its ogign to be a zergfest and neeb.

dark should take notes
| INnoVation | The literal god TY | ByuNjwa | LRSL when? |
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
September 09 2017 18:49 GMT
#294
On September 10 2017 03:48 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 03:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm still waiting for that killer mechanical protoss to copy Has' builds and rule the world

I mean mass oracle is the meta in Korea so at least this time he was on the right track.

Mass Oracle has become standard in Korean PvZ which I am still coming to grips with. Has actually creating the Korean meta, mind blown.
Denominator of the Universe
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
September 09 2017 18:49 GMT
#295
Hmm, on the one hand a foreign Terran winning a match would be cool. On the other hand Showtime.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
September 09 2017 18:50 GMT
#296
On September 10 2017 03:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm still waiting for that killer mechanical protoss to copy Has' builds and rule the world


sOs is already in the finals
Liquipedia"Expert"
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 09 2017 18:50 GMT
#297
On September 10 2017 03:48 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 03:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm still waiting for that killer mechanical protoss to copy Has' builds and rule the world

I mean mass oracle is the meta in Korea so at least this time he was on the right track.

it has already begun
Neosteel Enthusiast
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10092 Posts
September 09 2017 18:50 GMT
#298
On September 10 2017 03:49 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 03:48 Elentos wrote:
On September 10 2017 03:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm still waiting for that killer mechanical protoss to copy Has' builds and rule the world

I mean mass oracle is the meta in Korea so at least this time he was on the right track.

Mass Oracle has become standard in Korean PvZ which I am still coming to grips with. Has actually creating the Korean meta, mind blown.

i remember watching Has warming up in WCS Mexico doing mass oracle... good shit
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 09 2017 18:50 GMT
#299
On September 10 2017 03:47 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 03:47 Fango wrote:
On September 10 2017 03:44 Ej_ wrote:
How does Has even mess up things that people above 4,5k mmr do flawlessly?


I don't think he has any practice hours dedicated to "regular" play.

If you never do something you'll never develop the skills in that area

oracle into carriers is the only thing he does vs Zerg, save for the occasional chargelot all-in


I remember last year he was like 3 bases up on Maru but didn't know how to do anything once the cheese window passed. I guess in practice he just GGs if the cheese doesn't win the game, he never learnt how to transition
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
September 09 2017 18:51 GMT
#300
On September 10 2017 03:50 Topin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 03:49 pvsnp wrote:
On September 10 2017 03:48 Elentos wrote:
On September 10 2017 03:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm still waiting for that killer mechanical protoss to copy Has' builds and rule the world

I mean mass oracle is the meta in Korea so at least this time he was on the right track.

Mass Oracle has become standard in Korean PvZ which I am still coming to grips with. Has actually creating the Korean meta, mind blown.

i remember watching Has warming up in WCS Mexico doing mass oracle... good shit

But it was Snute who eliminated him at Mexico by making 3 times as many queens as a normal Zerg right
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