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On August 14 2017 03:57 Bayaz90 wrote:
While this was a fun event to watch, it did nothing but make the rich richer and proves that Blizzard really isn't interested in SC2 faring any better as an esport. How cool would it have been to give some Chinese players the opportunity to win $500, or some NA aspiring players like Semper or EU like Optimus or Soul. Instead it was just people who have won $100,000+ already or who are on big teams fighting for 500 bucks. Making the prize pool of Blizzcon bigger accomplishes very little for the scene besides those few top players so I wish they would have let the rest of the warchest money trickle down.
lol. if you wanna be a progamer, maybe win some games
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On August 14 2017 03:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Neeb hasn't lost to a zerg yet in Shoutcraft.
not anymore 
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On August 14 2017 04:01 ClanWars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2017 03:57 Bayaz90 wrote:
While this was a fun event to watch, it did nothing but make the rich richer and proves that Blizzard really isn't interested in SC2 faring any better as an esport. How cool would it have been to give some Chinese players the opportunity to win $500, or some NA aspiring players like Semper or EU like Optimus or Soul. Instead it was just people who have won $100,000+ already or who are on big teams fighting for 500 bucks. Making the prize pool of Blizzcon bigger accomplishes very little for the scene besides those few top players so I wish they would have let the rest of the warchest money trickle down. lol. if you wanna be a progamer, maybe win some games
If you want any quality in large tournaments before the round of 16, this probably isn't the right response.
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On August 14 2017 03:57 Bayaz90 wrote:
While this was a fun event to watch, it did nothing but make the rich richer and proves that Blizzard really isn't interested in SC2 faring any better as an esport. How cool would it have been to give some Chinese players the opportunity to win $500, or some NA aspiring players like Semper or EU like Optimus or Soul. Instead it was just people who have won $100,000+ already or who are on big teams fighting for 500 bucks. Making the prize pool of Blizzcon bigger accomplishes very little for the scene besides those few top players so I wish they would have let the rest of the warchest money trickle down.
obvious troll is obvious
and in case you're for some reason being serious I suggest watching previous iterations of this tournament - all the players you mentioned already played and will probably be invited in the future again.
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On August 14 2017 04:03 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2017 04:01 ClanWars wrote:On August 14 2017 03:57 Bayaz90 wrote:
While this was a fun event to watch, it did nothing but make the rich richer and proves that Blizzard really isn't interested in SC2 faring any better as an esport. How cool would it have been to give some Chinese players the opportunity to win $500, or some NA aspiring players like Semper or EU like Optimus or Soul. Instead it was just people who have won $100,000+ already or who are on big teams fighting for 500 bucks. Making the prize pool of Blizzcon bigger accomplishes very little for the scene besides those few top players so I wish they would have let the rest of the warchest money trickle down. lol. if you wanna be a progamer, maybe win some games If you want any quality in large tournaments before the round of 16, this probably isn't the right response.
actually it is pretty correct response - if you want to get to Ro16 you have to win something.
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Is it just me or is it kind of bullshit that this primarily crowdfunded (warchest) event requires a suscription to TB's channel to watch the Vods?
Yes I know the videos will eventually be on youtube, but they take a long time to upload and contain spoilers due to the video length and thumbnails. I love the Cast and everything TB does for Starcraft, but the standard for every other blizzard sponsored SC2 event is instant complete twitch VODs after completion, and I don't see why this even should be any different, especially considering that TB is not primarily a Starcraft streamer.
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On August 14 2017 04:07 nick00bot wrote:
Is it just me or is it kind of bullshit that this primarily crowdfunded (warchest) event requires a suscription to TB's channel to watch the Vods?
Yes I know the videos will eventually be on youtube, but they take a long time to upload and contain spoilers due to the video length and thumbnails. I love the Cast and everything TB does for Starcraft, but the standard for every other blizzard sponsored SC2 event is instant complete twitch VODs after completion, and I don't see why this even should be any different, especially considering that TB is not primarily a Starcraft streamer.
Ehh... it's mostly you. It's not like we don't get the VODs.
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On August 14 2017 04:07 nick00bot wrote:
Is it just me or is it kind of bullshit that this primarily crowdfunded (warchest) event requires a suscription to TB's channel to watch the Vods?
Yes I know the videos will eventually be on youtube, but they take a long time to upload and contain spoilers due to the video length and thumbnails. I love the Cast and everything TB does for Starcraft, but the standard for every other blizzard sponsored SC2 event is instant complete twitch VODs after completion, and I don't see why this even should be any different, especially considering that TB is not primarily a Starcraft streamer.
WTF
it's tournament ran by TB, on his personal channel - his rules.
Blizzard just sponsors it - it's not run by them.
And warchest is not crowdfunding.
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On August 14 2017 04:07 nick00bot wrote:
Is it just me or is it kind of bullshit that this primarily crowdfunded (warchest) event requires a suscription to TB's channel to watch the Vods?
Yes I know the videos will eventually be on youtube, but they take a long time to upload and contain spoilers due to the video length and thumbnails. I love the Cast and everything TB does for Starcraft, but the standard for every other blizzard sponsored SC2 event is instant complete twitch VODs after completion, and I don't see why this even should be any different, especially considering that TB is not primarily a Starcraft streamer.
This event is not primarily crowdfunded at all. It was $5000 before warchest funding. 25% of warchest funding goes to tournament funding, so at best you can argue, half of the prizemoney is crowdfunded (and none of the other costs like paying admins, co-casters, artists and prize payment processing fees) and at the least, crowdfunding makes up about $1250 of the $5000 extra given on top of the $5000 that was already being paid for by Blizzard.
Any way you slice it the event is not primarily crowd-funded.
I'd make ya a deal though. If it were possible (which its not, but if it were). If you could prove you'd bought the warchest, I'd give you a free sub.
For the people that haven't bought it, well, what do you think you're entitled to?
I've seen the cancer that is tournament chat. I won't let it take over my Twitch chat. If you have a problem with that, you are free to petition Blizzard to make an event, fund it, produce it, promote it, and stream it on your channel where you can do whatever you want with the chat.
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On August 14 2017 04:01 ClanWars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2017 03:57 Bayaz90 wrote:
While this was a fun event to watch, it did nothing but make the rich richer and proves that Blizzard really isn't interested in SC2 faring any better as an esport. How cool would it have been to give some Chinese players the opportunity to win $500, or some NA aspiring players like Semper or EU like Optimus or Soul. Instead it was just people who have won $100,000+ already or who are on big teams fighting for 500 bucks. Making the prize pool of Blizzcon bigger accomplishes very little for the scene besides those few top players so I wish they would have let the rest of the warchest money trickle down. lol. if you wanna be a progamer, maybe win some games
difficult to just "win some games" when all the current progamers have had years of full-time practice and up-and-coming players have difficulties to get any money and thus have a hard time justifying investing to much time into this game.
It's of course cool that Shoutcrafts and Blizzcon get extra money but I think the question if the money would be better spend on challenger or some other tournament where lower-level players have a chance is legitimate.
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Great event as always, but maybe even better than usual today, thanks TB and Blizz!
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On August 14 2017 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2017 04:01 ClanWars wrote:On August 14 2017 03:57 Bayaz90 wrote:
While this was a fun event to watch, it did nothing but make the rich richer and proves that Blizzard really isn't interested in SC2 faring any better as an esport. How cool would it have been to give some Chinese players the opportunity to win $500, or some NA aspiring players like Semper or EU like Optimus or Soul. Instead it was just people who have won $100,000+ already or who are on big teams fighting for 500 bucks. Making the prize pool of Blizzcon bigger accomplishes very little for the scene besides those few top players so I wish they would have let the rest of the warchest money trickle down. lol. if you wanna be a progamer, maybe win some games difficult to just "win some games" when all the current progamers have had years of full-time practice and up-and-coming players have difficulties to get any money and thus have a hard time justifying investing to much time into this game. It's of course cool that Shoutcrafts and Blizzcon get extra money but I think the question if the money would be better spend on challenger or some other tournament where lower-level players have a chance is legitimate.
Why do people deserve money if they can't win games?
Its not communism, its competitive.
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On August 14 2017 04:31 ClanWars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2017 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 14 2017 04:01 ClanWars wrote:On August 14 2017 03:57 Bayaz90 wrote:
While this was a fun event to watch, it did nothing but make the rich richer and proves that Blizzard really isn't interested in SC2 faring any better as an esport. How cool would it have been to give some Chinese players the opportunity to win $500, or some NA aspiring players like Semper or EU like Optimus or Soul. Instead it was just people who have won $100,000+ already or who are on big teams fighting for 500 bucks. Making the prize pool of Blizzcon bigger accomplishes very little for the scene besides those few top players so I wish they would have let the rest of the warchest money trickle down. lol. if you wanna be a progamer, maybe win some games difficult to just "win some games" when all the current progamers have had years of full-time practice and up-and-coming players have difficulties to get any money and thus have a hard time justifying investing to much time into this game. It's of course cool that Shoutcrafts and Blizzcon get extra money but I think the question if the money would be better spend on challenger or some other tournament where lower-level players have a chance is legitimate. Why do people deserve money if they can't win games? Its not communism, its competitive.
Do you want the SC2 professional scene to be just the same 20 or so pros who can win consistently enough to make a living?
Hell, if it weren't for Blizzard stifling competition with region locking Koreans, 16 of them would probably be Korean.
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On August 14 2017 04:54 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2017 04:31 ClanWars wrote:On August 14 2017 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:On August 14 2017 04:01 ClanWars wrote:On August 14 2017 03:57 Bayaz90 wrote:
While this was a fun event to watch, it did nothing but make the rich richer and proves that Blizzard really isn't interested in SC2 faring any better as an esport. How cool would it have been to give some Chinese players the opportunity to win $500, or some NA aspiring players like Semper or EU like Optimus or Soul. Instead it was just people who have won $100,000+ already or who are on big teams fighting for 500 bucks. Making the prize pool of Blizzcon bigger accomplishes very little for the scene besides those few top players so I wish they would have let the rest of the warchest money trickle down. lol. if you wanna be a progamer, maybe win some games difficult to just "win some games" when all the current progamers have had years of full-time practice and up-and-coming players have difficulties to get any money and thus have a hard time justifying investing to much time into this game. It's of course cool that Shoutcrafts and Blizzcon get extra money but I think the question if the money would be better spend on challenger or some other tournament where lower-level players have a chance is legitimate. Why do people deserve money if they can't win games? Its not communism, its competitive. Do you want the SC2 professional scene to be just the same 20 or so pros who can win consistently enough to make a living? Hell, if it weren't for Blizzard stifling competition with region locking Koreans, 16 of them would probably be Korean.
This discussion so uninteresting and lacking in any real insight.
It's grandstanding and nothing more. You wanna fix the flaws you see in SC2 right now? Go do that. Go make something. Anything. Do anything other than whine on forums because that's absolutely useless.
There's little more bothersome in this scene than people "trying to help" by posting on forums. It's been annoying since the very start of it and its still annoying today. Make a thing. Put up, or shut up. Don't try to manipulate other peoples work. Do your own. I can tell you for a fact that we are not listening to feedback on the invites, or who gets paid what. We're pros at this by now, we've been doing it since SC2 beta. There's no useful feedback you are capable of giving on those matters.
Why a bunch of people suddenly decided to get a giant hardon for the belief that Kings now represents everything wrong with the equality of this scene while GSL and WCS continue to give hugely top-heavy prize distributions out every year is anyones guess. If I were to hazard it though, it'd be that one persons event is an easier bitching target than WCS or GSL.
I'll tell ya what doesnt get pros paid, crying on forums.
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On August 14 2017 04:11 ClanWars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2017 04:07 nick00bot wrote:
Is it just me or is it kind of bullshit that this primarily crowdfunded (warchest) event requires a suscription to TB's channel to watch the Vods?
Yes I know the videos will eventually be on youtube, but they take a long time to upload and contain spoilers due to the video length and thumbnails. I love the Cast and everything TB does for Starcraft, but the standard for every other blizzard sponsored SC2 event is instant complete twitch VODs after completion, and I don't see why this even should be any different, especially considering that TB is not primarily a Starcraft streamer. This event is not primarily crowdfunded at all. It was $5000 before warchest funding. 25% of warchest funding goes to tournament funding, so at best you can argue, half of the prizemoney is crowdfunded (and none of the other costs like paying admins, co-casters, artists and prize payment processing fees) and at the least, crowdfunding makes up about $1250 of the $5000 extra given on top of the $5000 that was already being paid for by Blizzard. Any way you slice it the event is not primarily crowd-funded. I'd make ya a deal though. If it were possible (which its not, but if it were). If you could prove you'd bought the warchest, I'd give you a free sub. For the people that haven't bought it, well, what do you think you're entitled to? I've seen the cancer that is tournament chat. I won't let it take over my Twitch chat. If you have a problem with that, you are free to petition Blizzard to make an event, fund it, produce it, promote it, and stream it on your channel where you can do whatever you want with the chat.
Fair enough, and my bad, I was under the impression that the warchest funding was an even larger part of the prize pool. If there's any method that would satisfy you to prove the warchest tho, I'd gladly take you up on that offer haha
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People really will complain about anything.
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Yet another great installment of ShoutCraft Kings, kudos to TB for all his work. I was glad to have been able to commentate the event in Polish alongside Emil. Cheers!
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On August 14 2017 05:00 ClanWars wrote:
Why a bunch of people suddenly decided to get a giant hardon for the belief that Kings now represents everything wrong with the equality of this scene while GSL and WCS continue to give hugely top-heavy prize distributions out every year is anyones guess. If I were to hazard it though, it'd be that one persons event is an easier bitching target than WCS or GSL.
1) As far as I know, this is the first event that has received additional funding outside of the WCS finals.
2) You criticized the Warchest then went ahead and accepted the money.
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On August 14 2017 05:06 Phredxor wrote:
People really will complain about anything.
You should meet such people in real life. I already have aborted 5 contacts.
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