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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 13 2017 15:25 GMT
#321
On August 14 2017 00:23 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 00:22 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:19 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:18 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:17 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:14 Paljas wrote:
kela is ahead? what?
seems pretty far behind to me


Terran has to kill the natural or most of the drones to be ahead right?

If you kill the natural the Zerg is dead.


If you don't, surely you're behind though?

Making them pull drones and spend all their larva on lings combined with actually killing some of the drones makes the game basically even at worst at this level of play.

so you thought the game was even after the two rax?

This one wasn't.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 15:25:57
August 13 2017 15:25 GMT
#322
On August 14 2017 00:23 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 00:22 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:19 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:18 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:17 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:14 Paljas wrote:
kela is ahead? what?
seems pretty far behind to me


Terran has to kill the natural or most of the drones to be ahead right?

If you kill the natural the Zerg is dead.


If you don't, surely you're behind though?

Making them pull drones and spend all their larva on lings combined with actually killing some of the drones makes the game basically even at worst at this level of play.

so you thought the game was even after the two rax?

Rogue had no tech other than lings (with hellions & starport already on the way) and less workers than the Terran, it wasn't terrible for Kelazhur. But I think Rogue went pool first? So basically it did less than usual.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 15:26:43
August 13 2017 15:25 GMT
#323
On August 14 2017 00:25 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 00:23 Paljas wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:22 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:19 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:18 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:17 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:14 Paljas wrote:
kela is ahead? what?
seems pretty far behind to me


Terran has to kill the natural or most of the drones to be ahead right?

If you kill the natural the Zerg is dead.


If you don't, surely you're behind though?

Making them pull drones and spend all their larva on lings combined with actually killing some of the drones makes the game basically even at worst at this level of play.

so you thought the game was even after the two rax?

Rogue had no tech other than lings (with hellions & starport already on the way) and less workers than the Terran, it wasn't terrible for Kelazhur. But I think Rogue went pool first?

Yeah Rogue went gas/pool/hatch
On August 14 2017 00:24 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 00:22 Durnuu wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:19 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:18 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:17 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:14 Paljas wrote:
kela is ahead? what?
seems pretty far behind to me


Terran has to kill the natural or most of the drones to be ahead right?

If you kill the natural the Zerg is dead.


If you don't, surely you're behind though?

Not necessarily.
Proxy 2 rax really doesn't need to do much to put you even at worst. Just force a big/long enough drone pull, lings, and you're even.

Maybe, but there are two major differences between that game and this:
1) Rogue is a quality Zerg
2) INnoVation is a quality Terran

I could certainly find a better, more recent example, but this was the one I remembered off the top of my head.
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 13 2017 15:26 GMT
#324
On August 14 2017 00:23 Meeii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 00:17 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:14 Paljas wrote:
kela is ahead? what?
seems pretty far behind to me


Terran has to kill the natural or most of the drones to be ahead right?


If you kill the natural you're ahead (and almost sure to win you don't lose to some counter attack).

But I'm sure it depends on how you go from there to. Kel went for early gases and factory/starport but you can also get for an early second base yourself. It's a bit more risky tough.

No, the followup is always fact->CC->reactor->starport->banshee w/ cloak
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 13 2017 15:26 GMT
#325
On August 14 2017 00:25 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 00:23 Paljas wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:22 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:19 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:18 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:17 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:14 Paljas wrote:
kela is ahead? what?
seems pretty far behind to me


Terran has to kill the natural or most of the drones to be ahead right?

If you kill the natural the Zerg is dead.


If you don't, surely you're behind though?

Making them pull drones and spend all their larva on lings combined with actually killing some of the drones makes the game basically even at worst at this level of play.

so you thought the game was even after the two rax?

Rogue had no tech other than lings (with hellions & starport already on the way) and less workers than the Terran, it wasn't terrible for Kelazhur. But I think Rogue went pool first?


Kela only just started his second CC. Rogue would have gotten very far ahead in workers and saturated his third but chose to go allin
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 13 2017 15:28 GMT
#326
8 min roach max incoming
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
August 13 2017 15:29 GMT
#327
On August 14 2017 00:28 DJHelium wrote:
8 min roach max incoming

He's making a few lings, cheater
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
August 13 2017 15:30 GMT
#328
8 min roach max
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
August 13 2017 15:30 GMT
#329
Poll: Recommend Rogue vs TY ?

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (9)
 
90%

★★★ - Good game (1)
 
10%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Rogue vs TY ?

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
August 13 2017 15:30 GMT
#330
Yeah gonna be herO next
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 13 2017 15:30 GMT
#331
I really wanted to see TY's lategame TvZ again
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
August 13 2017 15:31 GMT
#332
On August 14 2017 00:26 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 00:25 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:23 Paljas wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:22 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:19 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:18 Elentos wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:17 Fango wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:14 Paljas wrote:
kela is ahead? what?
seems pretty far behind to me


Terran has to kill the natural or most of the drones to be ahead right?

If you kill the natural the Zerg is dead.


If you don't, surely you're behind though?

Making them pull drones and spend all their larva on lings combined with actually killing some of the drones makes the game basically even at worst at this level of play.

so you thought the game was even after the two rax?

Rogue had no tech other than lings (with hellions & starport already on the way) and less workers than the Terran, it wasn't terrible for Kelazhur. But I think Rogue went pool first?


Kela only just started his second CC. Rogue would have gotten very far ahead in workers and saturated his third but chose to go allin

I refer you to Serral vs ByuN from GSL vs The World where ByuN's opening went similarly poorly and his banshees did nothing but he was fine.

These 1/1 roach/ravager timings are a fucking pain in the ass to hold
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 13 2017 15:31 GMT
#333
On August 14 2017 00:29 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 00:28 DJHelium wrote:
8 min roach max incoming

He's making a few lings, cheater


What a scrub!

Btw results link in OP shows June
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
August 13 2017 15:31 GMT
#334
Wonderful to see Rogue doing well :D
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
August 13 2017 15:31 GMT
#335
On August 14 2017 00:31 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 00:29 Durnuu wrote:
On August 14 2017 00:28 DJHelium wrote:
8 min roach max incoming

He's making a few lings, cheater


What a scrub!

Btw results link in OP shows June

Oh yeah my bad, I copied Ej's thread from June and forgot to correct it.
TY
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
August 13 2017 15:32 GMT
#336
Last year TY would have destroyed Rogue's entire army with 2 tanks by kiting across the map

Now 2 tanks do nothing
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
bulya
Profile Joined February 2016
Israel386 Posts
August 13 2017 15:39 GMT
#337
TY went for a 3 CC build. Its a great build but you must be on top of your scouting. Rouge attacked just a bit before TYs eco would have converted into a huge army.

TY was lazy with his scouting, didn't realize its roach ravager, so he didn't have the tanks/maruders/libs to hold it.
Rouge scouted well what TY was doing, so he went for what TY's build was weak against. (3 CC is a lot of marines early on, but no tanks...).

5 sieged Tanks and Rouges army would have failed...
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
August 13 2017 15:40 GMT
#338
Stats. Trying to make this hard for Rogue. I was hoping for a scrub like Neeb to give Rogue some free money.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
August 13 2017 15:42 GMT
#339
On August 14 2017 00:40 Boggyb wrote:
Stats. Trying to make this hard for Rogue. I was hoping for a scrub like Neeb to give Rogue some free money.


If Rogue dies to a KR toss, then he can bring out Neeb.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 15:44:16
August 13 2017 15:43 GMT
#340
On August 14 2017 00:42 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 00:40 Boggyb wrote:
Stats. Trying to make this hard for Rogue. I was hoping for a scrub like Neeb to give Rogue some free money.


If Rogue dies to a KR toss, then he can bring out Neeb.

ZvZ can be good if it gets to tech which it almost never does. PvP is bad always, so let's not see that.
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