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SetGuitarsToKill
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Boggyb
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On October 16 2017 06:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Oracles are balanced They really are. Mass oracles are dumb from a design perspective, but the Korean Zergs I've seen have largely figured them out. They definitely don't need the nerf they're getting. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Zzzapper
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ZigguratOfUr
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On October 16 2017 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Really a testament to how far ahead Neeb was economically that he got destroyed three expensive engagements in a row and is still ahead. When Protoss can defend any base with the push of a button it's hard to stop Protoss from taking the entire map. Overcharge can't be gone soon enough. | ||
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MASTERCAKES
United States127 Posts
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Zzzapper
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On October 16 2017 06:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Really a testament to how far ahead Neeb was economically that he got destroyed three expensive engagements in a row and is still ahead. Yeah, that was insane, he's gotta have been like 15k down in resources lost at the end. Crazy to think that if Neeb had mined just a few percent less throughout the game, Scarlett would probably have worn down his entire bank | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2399 Posts
On October 16 2017 06:57 SnowfaLL wrote: so Neeb consistantly harassing with zealots at every base of Scarlett all game, and almost still lost with a 10k bank.. But P is OP.. if scarlett even send 20 lings to other side of the map to harass at ANY point in the last 20 minutes, or made a nydus in his main lets say, or anything other than sit in her base and wait.. she would have won that easily. 20 lings vs 20 cannons who wins :thinking: | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On October 16 2017 06:57 SnowfaLL wrote: so Neeb consistantly harassing with zealots at every base of Scarlett all game, and almost still lost with a 10k bank.. But P is OP.. if scarlett even send 20 lings to other side of the map to harass at ANY point in the last 20 minutes, or made a nydus in his main lets say, or anything other than sit in her base and wait.. she would have won that easily. 20 lings trade a lot less well against static d than 10 zealots. like orders of magnitude less efficiently. 15 cannons is ling proof, 15 spine crawlers only delays zealots | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 16 2017 06:53 Solar424 wrote: When Protoss can defend any base with the push of a button it's hard to stop Protoss from taking the entire map. Overcharge can't be gone soon enough. Wat. Overcharge has nothing to do with his ability to take and hold bases six, seven, eight, nine... You should instead whine more about recall, warp prisms, revelation or something. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On October 16 2017 06:57 SnowfaLL wrote: so Neeb consistantly harassing with zealots at every base of Scarlett all game, and almost still lost with a 10k bank.. But P is OP.. if scarlett even send 20 lings to other side of the map to harass at ANY point in the last 20 minutes, or made a nydus in his main lets say, or anything other than sit in her base and wait.. she would have won that easily. 10 zealots can cause way more damage than 20 lings, and Protoss has overcharge, recall, and cannons so Neeb could defend every base at once. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On October 16 2017 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Wat. Overcharge has nothing to do with his ability to take and hold bases six, seven, eight, nine... You should instead whine more about recall, warp prisms, revelation or something. I think he is talking about recall as well as overcharge | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 16 2017 07:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I think he is talking about recall I know it doesn't make much sense, but he does mention overcharge specifically. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On October 16 2017 07:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I know it doesn't make much sense, but he does mention overcharge specifically. He either edited that in after I read or I misread | ||
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
On October 16 2017 06:59 Solar424 wrote: 10 zealots can cause way more damage than 20 lings, and Protoss has overcharge, recall, and cannons so Neeb could defend every base at once. and Scarlett had spines, queens, banelings, hydras, infestors and more. See how that works?? Neeb had 3 undefended bases on the right side of the map. Had two undefended (no cannons/etc) bases on the left. Had a completely undefended main that one sneaked overlord with a nydus could decimate in seconds with cracklings. There was MANY things she could do. Scarlett is the most talented mechanical player outside of korea in SC2 history.. but she gives up when she "thinks" shes out. Thats the issue. A few better decisions lategame (and I know, its hard when your mind is racing) and that game was won, but the thing that bugs me is that her and her fans just say "welp, cant win anyways so why bother" rather than saying "I need to do better next time". A mothership core cant be at 7 bases at once.. but queens can. Again, why is it that no korean zergs lose lategame vs Oracles, but when Neeb does well, its constant crying?? soO and Rogue made Classic and Stats look silly for trying oracles lately. Know what soO and Rogue do? Actually fight! Cracklings are better than zealots. I would bet money that a zerg is going to win Blizzcon (only doubt is that Innovation has a chance) but without a doubt, no protoss will make it far if they have to play zergs. Only way Protoss makes it to finals is if they avoid zerg in much of the rounds, or play the foreigner zergs who already made up their mind they lost. Korean zergs are the pinnacle of SC2 right now outside of Innovation. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On October 16 2017 07:24 SnowfaLL wrote: and Scarlett had spines, queens, banelings, hydras, infestors and more. See how that works?? Neeb had 3 undefended bases on the right side of the map. Had two undefended (no cannons/etc) bases on the left. Had a completely undefended main that one sneaked overlord with a nydus could decimate in seconds with cracklings. There was MANY things she could do. Scarlett is the most talented mechanical player outside of korea in SC2 history.. but she gives up when she "thinks" shes out. Thats the issue. A few better decisions lategame (and I know, its hard when your mind is racing) and that game was won, but the thing that bugs me is that her and her fans just say "welp, cant win anyways so why bother" rather than saying "I need to do better next time". A mothership core cant be at 7 bases at once.. but queens can. Again, why is it that no korean zergs lose lategame vs Oracles, but when Neeb does well, its constant crying?? soO and Rogue made Classic and Stats look silly for trying oracles lately. Know what soO and Rogue do? Actually fight! Cracklings are better than zealots. I would bet money that a zerg is going to win Blizzcon (only doubt is that Innovation has a chance) but without a doubt, no protoss will make it far if they have to play zergs. Only way Protoss makes it to finals is if they avoid zerg in much of the rounds, or play the foreigner zergs who already made up their mind they lost. Korean zergs are the pinnacle of SC2 right now outside of Innovation. If Scarlett had moved out to kill one of Neeb's bases he just would have dealt a killing blow to her mining bases. | ||
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