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Pandemona
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Fango
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ByuN - 3-1 rogue herO - 4-2 ByuN | ||
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ByuuN
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ByuN 3-1 Rogue ByuN 4-2 TY | ||
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Sakat
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Rogue 3 - 2 ByuN herO 4 - 3 Rogue But I really hope TY or Rogue wins | ||
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Waxangel
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Noonius
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also, why am I up? it's 4 AM | ||
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VHbb
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 Byun hero final ! | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On July 30 2017 10:07 Noonius wrote: ByuN is gonna have it easy also, why am I up? it's 4 AM You either have no life, mad passion, or both. | ||
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Fango
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But herO and ByuN gonna cheese it 100% | ||
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 09:07 Waxangel wrote: TY meching vs herO please (actually win this time) He will win with mech by proxy cyclones. | ||
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romson87
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Noonius
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usopsama
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usopsama
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SetGuitarsToKill
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royalroadweed
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Weavel
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On July 30 2017 10:07 Noonius wrote: Same reason I am. Bored. ByuN is gonna have it easy also, why am I up? it's 4 AM | ||
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Topin
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Noonius
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Phredxor
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Carminedust
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Noonius
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nah, it's too hot to sleep | ||
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Meepman
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Noonius
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Noonius
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On July 30 2017 11:10 Carminedust wrote: how many times will byun try to proxy reaper rogue 2 | ||
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Fango
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Waxangel
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On July 30 2017 11:13 Noonius wrote: lot of pretty girls in the audience. I should go to China You would think the Korean girls are pretty too if they'd actually uncover their faces | ||
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 11:13 Noonius wrote: lot of pretty girls in the audience. I should go to China Then there be no more chinese girls. | ||
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Topin
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Obamarauder
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On July 30 2017 11:13 Noonius wrote: lot of pretty girls in the audience. I should go to China go to singapore. shanghai is terrible | ||
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Noonius
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On July 30 2017 11:14 Waxangel wrote: You would think the Korean girls are pretty too if they'd actually uncover their faces I am aware, having seen enough kpop videos | ||
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Waxangel
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Kaelaris doesn't notice the joke :'( | ||
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Carminedust
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Noonius
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On July 30 2017 11:26 Noonius wrote: herO is so indecisive, almost like a foreigner he plays for a foreigner team, maybe some foreigner rubbed off on him | ||
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Noonius
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Waxangel
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On July 30 2017 11:31 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wonder how long it'll take for "look at de supply" become a stale meme in the community Artosis says never | ||
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usopsama
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On July 29 2017 13:25 Fango wrote: I can't tell if this is serious. herO 3-0s TY most times they play Told you. TY will 3-0 herO. | ||
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seemsgood
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riotjune
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SidianTheBard
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 11:33 Noonius wrote: that colossus path finding emulated dragoons to the t Secret anti A move mechanic. | ||
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Fango
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TY can still choke. And I say this as a TY fan and herO hater. It's just happened so many times before | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Phredxor
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On July 30 2017 11:33 Noonius wrote: that colossus path finding emulated dragoons to the t SC2 one step closer to perfection. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
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Is it to make sure he can always come out on top if he trades with Hero? Or is it just pure KT greed? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On July 30 2017 11:36 Shellshock wrote: is this where i come for salty opinions or do i have to wait for the next series? No salt yet, maybe if Byun wins with reapers again | ||
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highsis
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Shellshock
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On July 30 2017 11:37 highsis wrote: No protoss can beat TY unless Stats on a form neeb 3-0 ezpz | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
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On July 30 2017 11:37 highsis wrote: No protoss can beat TY unless Stats on a form pylon rush inc!! | ||
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 11:36 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Is there a particular reason why TY stayed at 75+ scvs?? Is it to make sure he can always come out on top if he trades with Hero? Or is it just pure KT greed? To make sure adepts can do anything even they could sneak in somehow. | ||
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usopsama
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/52wHNE5.jpg) I know. Neeb is like 5-0 against TY. Oh wait, I mixed up the sides. | ||
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Carminedust
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Shellshock
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On July 30 2017 11:46 usopsama wrote: I know. Neeb is like 5-0 against TY. Oh wait, I mixed up the sides. he was hiding builds for blizzcon | ||
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Weavel
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On July 30 2017 11:46 Carminedust wrote: Looks grim for TY.look at the supply :o | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:46 usopsama wrote: I know. Neeb is like 5-0 against TY. Oh wait, I mixed up the sides. Those are forever ago, Neeb is in form now | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 30 2017 11:51 Weavel wrote: So what was the plan with the tanks? What was the plan at all? "herO will throw builds at me now, let me sit safe and lose game?" | ||
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Fango
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On July 30 2017 11:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Those are forever ago, Neeb is in form now In form includes losing to major and hurricane right? | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:51 Weavel wrote: So what was the plan with the tanks? Try to survive the blink all-in. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40189 Posts
Congratulations, you did. Now toss is on 3 bases and you are on 1. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:51 Fango wrote: In form includes losing to major and hurricane right? Major is in even better form, and Hurricane is underrated | ||
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Fango
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On July 30 2017 11:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Major is in even better form, and Hurricane is underrated I agree with that. But TY is better than major and hurricane at their absolute peaks | ||
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Phredxor
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On July 30 2017 11:52 lolfail9001 wrote: Congratulations, you did. Now toss is on 3 bases and you are on 1. I mean he probably would have died without them. | ||
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Fango
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Kevin_Sorbo
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On July 30 2017 11:53 Phredxor wrote: I mean he probably would have died without them. Also he swapped his factory to a techlab kinda late. It was more reactionary than planned. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:53 Fango wrote: I agree with that. But TY is better than major and hurricane at their absolute peaks Doesnt matter when Neeb will bust out his secret Blizzcon strats against him | ||
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Shellshock
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Phredxor
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On July 30 2017 11:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Doesnt matter when Neeb will bust out his secret Blizzcon strats against him I bet it's build disruptors and pray for big hits. | ||
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Shellshock
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On July 30 2017 11:56 Phredxor wrote: I bet it's build disruptors and pray for big hits. it's pretty much a guaranteed win against me so i cant see why it would be bad to try against other people except that the other people are good | ||
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usopsama
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On July 30 2017 11:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Those are forever ago, Neeb is in form now That's the spirit! Keep the hopes strong! This year definitely won't end up like 2015 (Life 3-0 Lilbow) or 2016 (Dark 3-0 Elazer, Dark 3-0 Neeb). + Show Spoiler + God. The tears are going to be so fucking delicious when reality hits at Blizzcon. | ||
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 11:56 Phredxor wrote: I bet it's build disruptors and pray for big hits. But this time it is multi prong drop.No one has ever done that in the history of dota . I mean sc2. | ||
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Noonius
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 12:00 Phredxor wrote: TY nooo. Go kill him. The moment when u see his hands are shaking u know that he is on tilt . | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 30 2017 12:01 Ishmael wrote: how the hell did TY just lose that many svcs there? I feel like this kinda thing is always happening w him Adepts, man, Adepts. | ||
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Fango
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On July 30 2017 12:02 Phredxor wrote: TY threw this game away with that. Another reverse sweep looking likely. I called it after game 2 | ||
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Fango
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Phredxor
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On July 30 2017 12:03 Noonius wrote: doesn't ToD know that turrets in the mineral line is so gold league I do it in plat too. | ||
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seemsgood
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Topin
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and in diamond but i still lose :/ | ||
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highsis
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Shellshock
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yeah but SEA is merged with NA now so your plat is like negative bronze or something | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:04 Fango wrote: I remember someone used medivac to drop ghost in weird angle to get similar perfect EMP. That is one of the best EMPs ive ever seen | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:04 Shellshock wrote: "how can I move into this engagement as poorly as possible" - herO probably he's practicing for SC BW Remastered | ||
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geokilla
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Shellshock
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should simulate lack of smart casting with his templars and just drop all his storms | ||
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Noonius
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On July 30 2017 12:05 Shellshock wrote: yeah but SEA is merged with NA now so your plat is like negative bronze or something negative bronze is effectively playing vs normal AI, right? | ||
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Weavel
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Phredxor
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On July 30 2017 12:05 Shellshock wrote: yeah but SEA is merged with NA now so your plat is like negative bronze or something Mate. I moved to NA where all the big boys play instantly. | ||
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Noonius
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Fango
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On July 30 2017 11:35 Fango wrote: TY can still choke. And I say this as a TY fan and herO hater. It's just happened so many times before | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40189 Posts
I guess IEM magic is real. | ||
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chipmonklord17
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On July 30 2017 12:11 Noonius wrote: I shall now call for random buffs and nerfs Bunker build time -10 plz | ||
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geokilla
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On July 30 2017 12:11 Noonius wrote: I shall now call for random buffs and nerfs Buff storms, nerf EMPs. Buff Nukes. | ||
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usopsama
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geokilla
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On July 30 2017 12:12 Noonius wrote: where are all the redheads? Chinese women are best. I miss my ex.... Still... | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 30 2017 12:12 Noonius wrote: where are all the redheads? Redheads in China? Heresy. | ||
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Topin
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seemsgood
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EXtend nuke's range to the whole map!! | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 30 2017 12:12 usopsama wrote: Fuck. TY is going to lose, isn't he? TY 3-0 herO | ||
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Noonius
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geokilla
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On July 30 2017 12:13 Noonius wrote: why isn't Intel pushing us i9's? Only i5 and 7's. Do they think we're poor or something? Threadripper > i9 | ||
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lolfail9001
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Apples and oranges. On July 30 2017 12:13 Noonius wrote: why isn't Intel pushing us i9's? Only i5 and 7's. Do they think we're poor or something? i9s suck at SC2 tho. | ||
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 12:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Apples and oranges. i9s suck at SC2 tho. Time to announce sc3. | ||
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Fango
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Phredxor
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IEM gonna drop SC2 and pick up BW:R. | ||
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 12:15 Fango wrote: TY will lose to a pylon rush or 7gate adept or something along those lines. Then byun just surrenders to rogue already.Zerg needs tournament win and rogue will chew herO for lunch. | ||
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Shellshock
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On July 30 2017 12:13 Noonius wrote: why isn't Intel pushing us i9's? Only i5 and 7's. Do they think we're poor or something? well the scene just donated their money to TaKe so probably | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 30 2017 12:20 chipmonklord17 wrote: sOs possesses herO for a minute herO have been doing stuff like that for an entire year or something. | ||
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Waxangel
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invincible | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 30 2017 12:21 geokilla wrote: Since when did Sentries take that long to warp in? Since LotV? | ||
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Phredxor
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On July 30 2017 12:21 geokilla wrote: Since when did Sentries take that long to warp in? No gateway. | ||
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Meepman
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On July 30 2017 12:12 Meepman wrote: TY will now loose to a pylon take me back.... i was so young.... | ||
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Snijjer
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Kevin_Sorbo
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or both | ||
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Waxangel
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seems standard | ||
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Lexender
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Every time I tune to a TvP is all cheese, pylons in the terrans base, oracles. I have such shit luck or the meta has become shit. | ||
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Phredxor
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geokilla
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No gateway? | ||
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Meepman
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On July 30 2017 12:23 Lexender wrote: Seriously is it just me? Every time I tune to a TvP is all cheese, pylons in the terrans base, oracles. I have such shit luck or the meta has become shit. tbh its just you | ||
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Phredxor
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Warpins are always that slow unless you have a gateway by that pylon. Or a nexus. | ||
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 12:21 ilikeredheads wrote: hero relying on every dirty trick in the protoss book. The only player is close to Rain is Stats. | ||
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geokilla
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On July 30 2017 12:24 Phredxor wrote: Warpins are always that slow unless you have a gateway by that pylon. Or a nexus. Really? I never noticed that. Always thought warping in Gateway units was the same as in HOTS, which was like 2 seconds to warp in. | ||
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Weavel
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On July 30 2017 12:25 Phredxor wrote: Looks dead even to me. TY needs to go home. Can't win this now. | ||
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Fango
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Phredxor
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I meant as in he can't attack and win the game then. | ||
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 12:28 Fango wrote: these storms will be gg TY hasn't scouted it yet He scouted by droping into herO's natural.Best scout. | ||
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Lexender
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Things haven't changed that much since HotS, terran needs a big mid game advantage to not just die to the toss lategame. EDIT: Just as I say that. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 30 2017 12:30 Shellshock wrote: remember when TY was up 2-0 and was pushing to win game 3 and turned around? TY was pushing in game 3? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Shellshock
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no it was game 4 but i just type wrong things a lot | ||
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Weavel
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On July 30 2017 12:30 Lexender wrote: Yeah seems like that. I was too hasty to call it even game. Things haven't changed that much since HotS, terran needs a big mid game advantage to not just die to the toss lategame. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
He was in the middle of the map with about 80 to 40 army supply. And turned back to deal with adepts. Oh game 3. Nvm. | ||
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lolfail9001
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Feel like he will win the whole thing in this weird manner. | ||
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ilikeredheads
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if he had sent his army to attack instead of retreating to deal with 3 adepts at home, he would've won. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:30 Shellshock wrote: remember when TY was up 2-0 and was pushing to win game 3 and turned around? look, there were 3 adepts back in his base... | ||
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Phredxor
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On July 30 2017 12:31 ilikeredheads wrote: if he had sent his army to attack instead of retreating to deal with 3 adepts at home, he would've won. That was game 4. | ||
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highsis
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I think TY is still a better skilled. I was rooting for herO but I never felt confident of his victory despite early advantages. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
Awesome series IEM Semifinals, GL in Grand Finals herO ! | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40189 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:31 ilikeredheads wrote: if he had sent his army to attack instead of retreating to deal with 3 adepts at home, he would've won. That was game 4 and it was more than 3 adepts looking at 26 dead scvs. In game 3 TY was sitting in his base entire game until he pushed out and died. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:31 ilikeredheads wrote: if he had sent his army to attack instead of retreating to deal with 3 adepts at home, he would've won. In game 5 he had a 60-30 army supply lead and didn't attack | ||
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usopsama
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If ByuN wins I don't even | ||
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Noonius
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On July 30 2017 12:31 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: 20 years from now we will realize that protoss causes cancer not to worry because SC3 is gonna be announced in 2037 | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:32 usopsama wrote: The only thing that can make me feel better is if herO or Rogue shit all over ByuN. If ByuN wins I don't even Pretty much my view too. But even that won't make me feel better. | ||
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Parcelleus
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On July 30 2017 12:33 Videoboysayscube wrote: I have no idea what TY was thinking. He killed every one of those oracles, and for some reason decided not to push. He had almost double the army supply. He could have traded so well, if not outright won the game. In game 3 he tried to push out after holding an allin and died. He was probably tilted from it | ||
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On July 30 2017 12:33 Videoboysayscube wrote: I have no idea what TY was thinking. He killed every one of those oracles, and for some reason decided not to push. He had almost double the army supply. He could have traded so well, if not outright won the game. He went full Snute. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:34 Noonius wrote: why aren't the semis BO7? only GSL is that clever | ||
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Peru10053 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:33 Videoboysayscube wrote: I have no idea what TY was thinking. He killed every one of those oracles, and for some reason decided not to push. He had almost double the army supply. He could have traded so well, if not outright won the game. FF and pylons cannons are my guess | ||
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No he went full TY | ||
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TY would be much more confident to push with 2 takivacs after killing all oracles. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2626 Posts
Yeah I see this happen a lot to terran, is seems hard to attack into a protoss because its hard to gauge the toss defense. He could probably push there but its hard to know when you look at it from the vision of the terran. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
new meta #trendsetter | ||
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 12:35 Noonius wrote: I could be a great protoss coach: just build shit and be good. Zerg can't bullshit and protoss can't play straight game. That is what happen when Life and Rain are GONE. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
Protoss looked super OP the second half of that series. | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:20 chipmonklord17 wrote: sOs possesses herO for a minute If it is true then this game should be finished in 8 mins. Well done herO, you must be special at any IEM tournament (unless facing sOs). | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:38 Boggyb wrote: Terran looked super OP the first half of that series. Protoss looked super OP the second half of that series. Buff Zerg? | ||
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Only if Rogue loses. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:40 Fango wrote: Has any player this year threw more 2-0 leads than TY? Not likely. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
GSL S1, GSL S2, SSL S1, and now IEM Shangai lol | ||
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:40 Fango wrote: Has any player this year threw more 2-0 leads than TY? *artosis voice* and NOone throws harder than TY | ||
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Videoboysayscube
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On July 30 2017 12:37 Lexender wrote: Yeah I see this happen a lot to terran, is seems hard to attack into a protoss because its hard to gauge the toss defense. He could probably push there but its hard to know when you look at it from the vision of the terran. At this level of play, he should have had a good idea what Hero could have had. I mean, he built four Oracles and two Sentries. He wasn't going to have any real tech out. And he had stim and medivacs at that point so he always had the option to retreat. But I can hardly blame him. I'm the same way in TvP. Regardless the state of the game, I feel like there's never a good time to attack because you can always bet on getting shut down by the million pylons the toss has all over the place. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: Rogue will trash Byun now, it will be glorious ByuN will 3RR every game. And I mean every game | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: Is Rogue better than soO? I don't think so. Byun got this easily.Rogue will trash Byun now, it will be glorious | ||
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seemsgood
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On July 30 2017 12:45 Videoboysayscube wrote: At this level of play, he should have had a good idea what Hero could have had. I mean, he built four Oracles and two Sentries. He wasn't going to have any real tech out. And he had stim and medivacs at that point so he always had the option to retreat. But I can hardly blame him. I'm the same way in TvP. Regardless the state of the game, I feel like there's never a good time to attack because you can always bet on getting shut down by the million pylons the toss has all over the place. Unless they have tankivac.But it doesnt mean i want it back. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: Rogue will trash Byun now, it will be glorious I am personnaly tired of the reaper whisperer garbage... | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:46 Weavel wrote: Is Rogue better than soO? I don't think so. Byun got this easily. Rogue best ZvT | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:46 Weavel wrote: Is Rogue better than soO? I don't think so. Byun got this easily. Rogue is probably better atm, yes | ||
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Boggyb
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On July 30 2017 12:46 Weavel wrote: Is Rogue better than soO? I don't think so. Byun got this easily. Yes, he is. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Korean Serral? That's impressive. Rogue is the ONLY 7K MMR player on KR right now. That's gotta count for something | ||
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Shellshock
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oh so he will crash in burn in tournament play. got it | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
Sub 80% winrate and not 7.1-7.2k mmr. He's no Serral. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40189 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:52 D-light wrote: Sub 80% winrate and not 7.1-7.2k mmr. He's no Serral. So does that mean he won't choke and win the whole thing? | ||
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D-light
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On July 30 2017 12:53 lolfail9001 wrote: So does that mean he won't choke and win the whole thing? Yes. Serral chokes constantly and is trash. | ||
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Fango
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On July 30 2017 12:58 geokilla wrote: When did Rogue get so good? They're all hyping him up. He was one ling of winning GSL man | ||
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On July 30 2017 13:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Right when the Rogue games start, my internet becomes barely functional and I can't watch, how typical :/ he all inned for ez win against some hsc guy | ||
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Fango
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On July 30 2017 13:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i thought mass reaper was unstoppable. buff 2 rax reaper | ||
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Topin
Peru10053 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:04 Fango wrote: those reapers did nothing that game? did he even go for drones? no, he scouted a bit but they didnt do any damage | ||
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United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:05 Topin wrote: no, he scouted a bit but they didnt do any damage it's like he's trying to get reapers not nerfed. i've never seen someone mass reapers and not attack with them | ||
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Topin
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On July 30 2017 13:06 Fango wrote: it's like he's trying to get reapers not nerfed. i've never seen someone mass reapers and not attack with them he didnt even tried to delay the ravagers with reapers mine.. super weird | ||
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On July 30 2017 13:09 Brutaxilos wrote: Byun has an scv not mining gas T I L T | ||
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theunabletable
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Shellshock
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but seriously rogue 84 drones? what were you doing | ||
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chipmonklord17
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On July 30 2017 13:15 theunabletable wrote: Why did zergs stop getting pathogen glands in LotV? People might remember burrow abilites on infestors would be OP | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Byun is the replacement TaeJa. I'll support him. | ||
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theunabletable
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On July 30 2017 13:18 chipmonklord17 wrote: People might remember burrow abilites on infestors would be OP For real, though, in WoL and HotS you'd get pathogen glands every single time, and then in LotV every zerg seems to have decided it's not worth it (despite infestors being more popular than they were in HotS). Does anyone know why every zerg has gone this way? | ||
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On July 30 2017 13:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Once you're stuck on roach/ravager you're in huge trouble. Not sure what Rogue's plan was I think it was like make 85 drones, hope byun literally never attacks, get all tech and upgrades with massive bank and win | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2626 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:20 Snijjer wrote: With the amount of focus on girls from these camera people you'd think the crowd is primarily made up of them. Its like ladies night, put focus on the girls to get more guys in. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:32 stuchiu wrote: dont see the point in not using reapers early game. it's dishonorable /s | ||
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New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:36 Waxangel wrote: Rogue has got some savage fans https://twitter.com/Maxyusc/status/891515225836404736 That's just #passion. | ||
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Mexico2626 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:36 Waxangel wrote: Rogue has got some savage fans https://twitter.com/Maxyusc/status/891515225836404736 No wonder they are protoss fans. | ||
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usopsama
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On July 30 2017 13:36 Waxangel wrote: Rogue has got some savage fans https://twitter.com/Maxyusc/status/891515225836404736 干他妈的imba T 干死 ByuN Wow. They hate ByuN as much as me. | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
Wut??? This has to be 3 rax reaper right | ||
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Topin
Peru10053 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:39 usopsama wrote: Wow. They hate ByuN more than me. its just because you are not there... im sure you would express your hate x10 better | ||
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usopsama
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On July 30 2017 13:39 Yiome wrote: Sequencer? Wut??? This has to be 3 rax reaper right If the one trick pony wants to win, yes. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2626 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:42 Carminedust wrote: lets go to the analyst desk with tod . tod " LOOK AT THE SUPPLY " Luca D. Souply | ||
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Carminedust
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yes look at it at all of its glory | ||
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New Zealand182 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:47 Lexender wrote: Rougue has had half the army souply and over 70 drones for like 4 minutes, what is with terrans this IEM and not just pushing and killing their enemies? they lack the killer instinct of the GOATs Mvp and TaeJa | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
How on earth could the best micro player of all time not win? | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:49 Phredxor wrote: Fantastic result. How on earth could the best micro player of all time not win? because he's playing the best zvt player | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2626 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:49 Phredxor wrote: Fantastic result. How on earth could the best micro player of all time not win? By not microing, or doing anything at all. | ||
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
Go herO! | ||
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United States97276 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I take it back. Byun is no TaeJa. GG Rogue. herO is your IEM champion. duh. taeja wouldnt have lost hsc to zest | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
https://gfycat.com/LazyScientificFlyingfish | ||
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France2262 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:50 BigRedDog wrote: Wow. Reaper is not so strong after all. 10 pages whining about terran, ZvP final. basically TL in a nutshell with any race | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Taeja retired knowing he would have lost this HSC to Zest. Running scared. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8966 Posts
I miss him. I can't watch SC2 without TaeJa playing. Maru and Byun and Inno have kept Terran stronk, with TY doing his thing as well. But man, I miss the old guard. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On July 30 2017 13:52 Phredxor wrote: Taeja retired knowing he would have lost this HSC to Zest. Running scared. Although TaeJa holds the head to head vs Zest. | ||
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Carminedust
487 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:52 Phredxor wrote: Taeja retired knowing he would have lost this HSC to Zest. Running scared. this is a funny comment cause the real reason why Taeja retired was to let other people win HSC for once | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:52 Phredxor wrote: Taeja retired knowing he would have lost this HSC to Zest. Running scared. lmao the GOAT aint no runner son. sit down | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:53 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Although TaeJa holds the head to head vs Zest. Yeah but who won the last HSC? Pretty sure it wasn't Taeja. | ||
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Topin
Peru10053 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:54 Shellshock wrote: lmao the GOAT aint no runner son. sit down a retired Taeja eliminated zest from GSL | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:54 Shellshock wrote: lmao the GOAT aint no runner son. sit down Can't be a GOAT if you can't even beat Flash. Sit down. | ||
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Canada28396 Posts
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
So Maru is the betrayer of holy 3 rax reaper! | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:55 Phredxor wrote: Can't be a GOAT if you can't even beat Flash. Sit down. Flash just didnt try in sc2 except when he played TaeJa because he knew it was the only time the skill ceiling needed to be surpassed to a bw level. TaeJa brings out the best in everyone | ||
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On July 30 2017 13:55 Phredxor wrote: Can't be a GOAT if you can't even beat Flash. Sit down. so Flash is the GOAT for beating taeja and then Zest in IEM :O | ||
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New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:56 Shellshock wrote: Flash just didnt try in sc2 except when he played TaeJa because he knew it was the only time the skill ceiling needed to be surpassed to a bw level. TaeJa brings out the best in everyone Seems fair. I'll allow it. Flash only played SC2 to prove that BW is the superior game. | ||
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usopsama
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On July 30 2017 13:55 Phredxor wrote: Can't be a GOAT if you can't even beat Flash. Sit down. I remember watching God Young Ho destroy Taeja consistently over and over. Those games were so delicious. | ||
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Carminedust
487 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:56 Shellshock wrote: Flash just didnt try in sc2 except when he played TaeJa because he knew it was the only time the skill ceiling needed to be surpassed to a bw level. TaeJa brings out the best in everyone Flash only tried in Proleague because KT was bad till zest,stats and ty woke up and Flash no longer needed to carry | ||
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United States97276 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:57 usopsama wrote: I remember watching God Young Ho destroy Taeja consistently over and over. Those games were so delicious. how many TL Terran of the year awards did Flash win? /thread | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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herO 4-2 Rogue | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 30 2017 14:01 Snijjer wrote: 104 is normal Texas summer lol.. It was 95 (35C) in Alberta today and it was hell, how do you guys stand this being the norm | ||
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Carminedust
487 Posts
On July 30 2017 14:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: When someone goes 18-0, I'll entertain all talk of GOAT status. Until then, sit down. TaeJa is best. herO 4-2 Rogue clearly cause winning 3 gsl < Hsc and dreamhacks right | ||
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United States4001 Posts
On July 30 2017 14:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It was 95 (35C) in Alberta today and it was hell, how do you guys stand this being the norm Same way you guys endure the cold, we just tolerate it because we live through it every year. | ||
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New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 30 2017 14:04 Carminedust wrote: clearly cause winning 3 gsl < Hsc and dreamhacks right Mate he had to beat foreigners to get that 18(17?)-0. No easy stuff there. | ||
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Topin
Peru10053 Posts
On July 30 2017 14:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It was 95 (35C) in Alberta today and it was hell, how do you guys stand this being the norm im dying with 29... how can you live there? | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 30 2017 14:05 Phredxor wrote: Mate he had to beat foreigners to get that 18(17?)-0. No easy stuff there. probably would have gone 19-0 if he got to play ez korean zergs | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On July 30 2017 14:04 Carminedust wrote: clearly cause winning 3 gsl < Hsc and dreamhacks right Clearly destroying those GSL champions left and right when he did face them, not to mention beating them in GSL when he returned and making it to r8 3 out of 4 times isn't impressive at all either. He has a losing record against Flash, Life and I think ForGG. | ||
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On July 30 2017 14:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Clearly destroying those GSL champions left and right when he did face them, not to mention beating them in GSL when he returned and making it to r8 3 out of 4 times isn't impressive at all either. He has a losing record against Flash, Life and I think ForGG. and Rain had a winning record against Taeja | ||
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On July 30 2017 14:12 Carminedust wrote: and Rain had a winning record against Taeja Thank you for clearing that up for everyone and myself. So, he had a losing record against 4 players. Destroyed everyone else. And when he lost in GSL, he lost to the eventual champion. You beat TaeJa in r8 higher, you're winning that tourney. No questions asked. When he had to return, he was the most requested player everyone wanted a piece of. And he gave it to them. | ||
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On July 30 2017 14:15 Scarlett` wrote: their preview pronounces every city name wrong do you criticize anime translations as well | ||
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Go (insert player of the race that needs wins more to stop balance whining) ! | ||
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On July 30 2017 14:22 Carminedust wrote: herO is over due for another IEM title from a city that starts with the letter S if you add Seoul, he's only won championships in cities that start with S | ||
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yes | ||
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He is really good obviously, thats why he wins, but still I kinda want to punch him in the face since the start of the tournament. | ||
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On July 30 2017 14:51 starkiller123 wrote: Rogue is way ahead right? He has won. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On July 30 2017 14:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Ya I didn't see Rogue taking a game at this rate I do like when I'm wrong, Rogue turned it up massive there | ||
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Yiome
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GG | ||
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On July 30 2017 14:53 Waxangel wrote: herO conserving his energy with the fast GG? might as well, that was such a fucking checkmate play for rogue | ||
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France2063 Posts
GO Rogue | ||
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On July 30 2017 14:55 Waxangel wrote: LOL I guess someone went out and made the fan with the 'overly passionate' sign cut off the offensive parts #Waxleaks | ||
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On July 30 2017 14:54 Heartland wrote: How were the previous games? game 1 was hero putting on his best neeb impression game 2 was kill all the workers, and pray | ||
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On July 30 2017 14:57 Cricketer12 wrote: game 1 was hero putting on his best neeb impression game 2 was kill all the workers, and pray Ah, sorry, I meant the previous series. | ||
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SpaWnvERtiGO
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1. I KNEW Rogue would beat Byun, and I KNEW he would shut down the reapers. Y'all really need to analyze that build more, and stop the whining. It is NOT unbeatable, like just stop with that. Please.... 2. I really felt these Zergs keep losing to it, cause they think they have a God given right to drone to 70, tech to ultras, and win. And they think it's the ONLY way they can play the game, and if you play another way, you are bad. Kinda like how Protoss KEEP losing to horrible Hydra -Ling-Bane, cause they are stuck in an adept -immortal mind fuck. It's like they forgot Collosi kill every Zerg ground unit. It's why Broodlord Infestor became the go to comp, it's why they NERFED COLLSI IN LOTV to begin with. It was a breath of fresh air when Hurricane smashed with them in GSL, I'm like " FINNALLY!!!!!" 3. This is a theory of mine, but I think mass ladder > practice partners. Rogue is rank 1 GM, meaning he's just grinding game after game. I think you see a much greater variety of builds and gameplay when you practice like that. Reminds me of Byun when he was going to the top of the ladder at will, it seems like he was a better player when he had nothing to lose, and just played EVERY game in sight with no regard. Edit: Neeb as well, when he was rank 1 Korea, and he won Kespa during this same time period.... I suspect this is why Rogues current form is so strong... Think about it..... If you spend all your time practicing TvZ vs say, a TY, who is great at being defensive, late game, and multi-tasking, what happens when you play an Ultra aggressive player like a Byun? What happens if you practice with a Byun, then you get a Macro monster like an Innovation? That to me is bad practice regiments..... It's like when Scarlett thought she could beat any Terran cause she practices with Byun, or beats an Innovation or Maru on ladder, then loses to an aLive, it's the practice I feel..... | ||
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oh...i dunno, when I tuned in rogue was being interviewed for eliminating trash | ||
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Durnuu
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On July 30 2017 15:02 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote: Few thoughts here... 1. I KNEW Rogue would beat Byun, and I KNEW he would shut down the reapers. Y'all really need to analyze that build more, and stop the whining. It is NOT unbeatable, like just stop with that. Please.... 2. I really felt these Zergs keep losing to it, cause they think they have a God given right to drone to 70, tech to ultras, and win. And they think it's the ONLY way they can play the game, and if you play another way, you are bad. Kinda like how Protoss KEEP losing to horrible Hydra -Ling-Bane, cause they are stuck in an adept -immortal mind fuck. It's like they forgot Collosi kill every Zerg ground unit. It's why Broodlord Infestor became the go to comp, it's why they NERFED COLLSI IN LOTV to begin with. It was a breath of fresh air when Hurricane smashed with them in GSL, I'm like " FINNALLY!!!!!" 3. This is a theory of mine, but I think mass ladder > practice partners. Rogue is rank 1 GM, meaning he's just grinding game after game. I think you see a much greater variety of builds and gameplay when you practice like that. 4. Think about it..... If you spend all your time practicing TvZ vs say, a TY, who is great at being defensive, late game, and multi-tasking, what happens when you play an Ultra aggressive player like a Byun? What happens if you practice with a Byun, then you get a Macro monster like an Innovation? 1. Nobody complained about it being unbeatable (or they were dumb), however people complained about the fact that even if it fails, terran is at worst even with Zerg. 2. Colossi are really not that good vs ling bane hydra. they cost a lot of gas and yet you still need sentries. Not to mention splitting your army in half, if the zerg decides to attack your 3rd and 4th at the same time, is a freaking nightmare to do efficiently unless you're maxed (you're likely to lose on both fronts). On the other hand, you only need a couple templars at a base to delay an attack. 3. Practice partners > ladder, otherwise people wouldn't have complained time and time again about the korean infrastructure giving an advantage to the koreans coming in NA/EU. 4. What makes you think people always do the same things in practice ? | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:09 Topin wrote: this happen when the craziest player of their respective races play each other This ain't sOs! | ||
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Cricketer12
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Lexender
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On July 30 2017 15:02 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote: Few thoughts here... 1. I KNEW Rogue would beat Byun, and I KNEW he would shut down the reapers. Y'all really need to analyze that build more, and stop the whining. It is NOT unbeatable, like just stop with that. Please.... 2. I really felt these Zergs keep losing to it, cause they think they have a God given right to drone to 70, tech to ultras, and win. And they think it's the ONLY way they can play the game, and if you play another way, you are bad. Kinda like how Protoss KEEP losing to horrible Hydra -Ling-Bane, cause they are stuck in an adept -immortal mind fuck. It's like they forgot Collosi kill every Zerg ground unit. It's why Broodlord Infestor became the go to comp, it's why they NERFED COLLSI IN LOTV to begin with. It was a breath of fresh air when Hurricane smashed with them in GSL, I'm like " FINNALLY!!!!!" 3. This is a theory of mine, but I think mass ladder > practice partners. Rogue is rank 1 GM, meaning he's just grinding game after game. I think you see a much greater variety of builds and gameplay when you practice like that. Reminds me of Byun when he was going to the top of the ladder at will, it seems like he was a better player when he had nothing to lose, and just played EVERY game in sight with no regard. Edit: Neeb as well, when he was rank 1 Korea, and he won Kespa during this same time period.... I suspect this is why Rogues current form is so strong... Think about it..... If you spend all your time practicing TvZ vs say, a TY, who is great at being defensive, late game, and multi-tasking, what happens when you play an Ultra aggressive player like a Byun? What happens if you practice with a Byun, then you get a Macro monster like an Innovation? That to me is bad practice regiments..... It's like when Scarlett thought she could beat any Terran cause she practices with Byun, or beats an Innovation or Maru on ladder, then loses to an aLive, it's the practice I feel..... 3rax reaper play isn't imbalanced, but its kind of shit to watch and it has become way too common and the MU kinda sucks because of that. | ||
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Heartland
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Or TRUE | ||
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Durnuu
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On July 30 2017 15:17 stuchiu wrote: 6 years later, ppl still using the warp prism ff the ramp trick. Did Mvp invent that move too ? | ||
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Phredxor
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What does your heart tell you? | ||
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chipmonklord17
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I'm sure someone did while thinking of ways to beat him | ||
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Heartland
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On July 30 2017 15:17 romson87 wrote: Lol fake hype by the casters, Rogue's got this one Nah, the Storms can really turn the tide | ||
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stuchiu
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On July 30 2017 15:16 ilikeredheads wrote: lurker den canceled BLASPHEMY! | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:23 Heartland wrote: I hate lurkers I love Lurkers | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:23 Phredxor wrote: Lurkers did something useful. I'm impressed. Not enough disruptors. | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:25 breaker1328 wrote: I feel like if you are using lurkers you are already far enough ahead to win without lurkers. I would like to know why herO isn't using disruptors. No, that's not really true. Lurkers are very good against most Protoss late-game timings and they can win you the game or make it continue while without them you'd lose. | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:29 Heartland wrote: Harry Potter glasses are in in China too? it's spreading at an alarming rate | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:24 phyren wrote: Casters forgetting their history. The objectively best wall-in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNcavgzBKWQ Everything about that video was confusing. Pretty much any mid-high diamond player nowadays could go back to 2010 and dominate, the skill level was so low. | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Remember when herO danced his units in game 1? Not just units, they were Adepts. That's about the worst thing you can do in SC2. | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:38 Solar424 wrote: Not just units, they were Adepts. That's about the worst thing you can do in SC2. You can also play Reapers every game | ||
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On July 30 2017 10:52 FataLe wrote: anyone not voting for rogue as champion is wrong yeah | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Remember when herO danced his units in game 1? do we have to expect a reddit thread in the upcoming hours ? :> | ||
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Incredible tournament for him, very impressive. | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:41 Mun_Su wrote: I watched Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire yesterday, I thought, in my tired state, that the IEM trophy will be the same as the Triwizard cup , what a disapointement Were you glad Voldemort didn't show up? | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:42 Kazi25 wrote: He's gonna cry T_T it's been years my friend. years. | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:41 Brutaxilos wrote: Rogue definitely played better than herO this tournament. Well deserved! Congrats on his first tournament win! Told ya Rogue will chew herO for lunch | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:45 Brutaxilos wrote: So on a scale of 1-10, how angry is soO right now? 2/10 | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:45 Brutaxilos wrote: So on a scale of 1-10, how angry is soO right now? 7 GSLs | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:46 romson87 wrote: So happy for Rogue, shame it doesn't give him a Blizzcon ticket! He still basically has to win GSL to make it, but that's actually a possibility | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:47 KappaKingPrime wrote: Poor Rogue, never practised trophy ceremony. its also a little trophy.... a little underwhelming | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:48 Topin wrote: its also a little trophy.... a little underwhelming i thought they had gone to a system with the silver plate for circuit, and the big cup for the WC, but I guess the plate was a one-off for Gyeonggi | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:45 Brutaxilos wrote: So on a scale of 1-10, how angry is soO right now? soO transcended human emotions like disappointment a long time ago. | ||
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SpaWnvERtiGO
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On your third point, I STRONGLY disagree. Byun proved the Kespa thing was a myth. Jin Air has had that support all year, they haven't until this moment won anything all year. Where the hell is Cure? Is Trap a top three Toss? $o$, is he top three Toss at the moment? Is Maru top Terran? Is he realistically any better than say, aLive right now? Or Gumiho? Or TY? No it's not the PLAYERS that did it, it was HOW they practiced, meaning they'd didn't have to worry about anything in LIFE BUT Starcraft. And they would play what, 12 hours a day? No one else save a adolescent has that much time to just play, not even a high school kid, ( see Neeb and Serrall here..) No, mass games vs all comers/ all play styles > practice vs a few players with a FEW play styles. In my opinion..... | ||
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Yiome
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On July 30 2017 15:49 ilikeredheads wrote: now 3 hours until BW:R I was hoping for non-stop starcraft today. But I guess IEM has to end early afternoon local time because Chinajoy would be closing soon. | ||
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Durnuu
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On July 30 2017 15:50 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote: @Durnuu On your third point, I STRONGLY disagree. Byun proved the Kespa thing was a myth. Jin Air has had that support all year, they haven't until this moment won anything all year. Where the hell is Cure? Is Trap a top three Toss? $o$, is he top three Toss at the moment? Is Maru top Terran? Is he realistically any better than say, aLive right now? Or Gumiho? Or TY? No it's not the PLAYERS that did it, it was HOW they practiced, meaning they'd didn't have to worry about anything in LIFE BUT Starcraft. And they would play what, 12 hours a day? No one else save a adolescent has that much time to just play, not even a high school kid, ( see Neeb and Serrall here..) No, mass games vs all comers/ all play styles > practice vs a few players with a FEW play styles. In my opinion..... Yeah, ByuN proved me wrong when KeSPA teams started to die. KeSPA proved me right for 3 years prior to that. If anything, Rain proved me wrong with his GSL win, but not ByuN. | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
I think if he stops to dance before the final game, he can even beat sOs and be the best Protoss ever. Also congrats to Rogue for his first offline champion. | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:46 romson87 wrote: So happy for Rogue, shame it doesn't give him a Blizzcon ticket! Possibly the hardest tournament besides of GSL and no blizzcon ticket for the winner, what an upset. Look at how hard Rogue's journey was, compare to Elazer and Neeb when they earned their tickets. | ||
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
On July 30 2017 15:50 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote: @Durnuu On your third point, I STRONGLY disagree. Byun proved the Kespa thing was a myth. Jin Air has had that support all year, they haven't until this moment won anything all year. Where the hell is Cure? Is Trap a top three Toss? $o$, is he top three Toss at the moment? Is Maru top Terran? Is he realistically any better than say, aLive right now? Or Gumiho? Or TY? No it's not the PLAYERS that did it, it was HOW they practiced, meaning they'd didn't have to worry about anything in LIFE BUT Starcraft. And they would play what, 12 hours a day? No one else save a adolescent has that much time to just play, not even a high school kid, ( see Neeb and Serrall here..) No, mass games vs all comers/ all play styles > practice vs a few players with a FEW play styles. In my opinion..... i assume that the only things in your posts i need to read are capitalized, thank you for dumbing it down | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:55 Alarak89 wrote: So herO lost 4 games in a raw after the dance? That's the traditional herO I know. I think if he stops to dance before the final game, he can even beat sOs and be the best Protoss ever. Also congrats to Rogue for his first offline champion. somehow I don't think beating sOs and being the best Protoss ever have anything to do with each other | ||
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On July 30 2017 15:52 Durnuu wrote: Yeah, ByuN proved me wrong when KeSPA teams started to die. KeSPA proved me right for 3 years prior to that. If anything, Rain proved me wrong with his GSL win, but not ByuN. Didn't Maru won a starleague in the middle of the kespa era while being on Prime? | ||
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On July 30 2017 16:05 Lexender wrote: Didn't Maru won a starleague in the middle of the kespa era while being on Prime? Correct, I forgot about that one | ||
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SpaWnvERtiGO
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I remember proleague games from a couple years ago where Wolf was thinking Stats was top Protoss, hell, Artosis STILL thinks Zest is the best, lol.... No I capitalize for emphasis, why do people instead of engaging in convo always say some goofy snarky nonsense? I was posting just a week or so ago how a good Zerg stops reapers easy. I saw this coming. (Edit: Byun beat Rogue 2-0 Ssl challenge first week, so he SHOULD HAVE BEEN READY, how the hell do you die to that if you see it coming? And you MUST see it coming, it's fuckin Byun, lol...) I got no discourse, just no, reapers are unbeatable. I don't even get the argument that it leaves Zerg behind. I watched TY win a TvZ thirty fuckin workers behind. Vs Dark, for that matter. How are ravager pressure builds less abusive? That hold looked three times as hard to hold than reapers for a Zerg...... If he can hold that, Zerg should be able to handle reapers..... You really think practicing with Trap or sOs 10 hours a day prepared Rogue for hero, or constant ladder play? Serious question here...... Okay enough, I said my peace, congrats to Rogue, really looking forward to his GSL performance going forward.... | ||
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On July 30 2017 16:01 starkiller123 wrote: somehow I don't think beating sOs and being the best Protoss ever have anything to do with each other I didn't say they have anything to do with each other either, I'm saying so far neither of them has been achieved by herO because of the dance, maybe. But herO is the best Protoss dancer ever for sure. | ||
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and he didnt suddenly break down in the finals as so often with hyped players. i was so mad when he kicked out dark, thinking "once again the worse zerg eleminating the better zerg in a zvz just to lose the next cross race match". how wrong i was. so well deserved, today rogue was on FIRE!!! | ||
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) No Toss can touch this guy now.He even improved his ZvT a lot. Now I honestly think that the only player that can stop him is soO in a ZvZ. Hope the sexy boy will continue crushing it and we will see him at Blizzcon, winning the things instead of sOs Go Rogue ! | ||
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On July 30 2017 17:29 MarianoSC2 wrote: Rogue is without a doubt the best player in the world right now. I knew he was going to win it, and embarrassing the most disgusting cheeser toss in the process thats just a fabulous sight! ) No Toss can touch this guy now.He even improved his ZvT a lot. Now I honestly think that the only player that can stop him is soO in a ZvZ. Hope the sexy boy will continue crushing it and we will see him at Blizzcon, winning the things instead of sOs Go Rogue !No Zerg can challenge InnoVation. You forgot him :D | ||
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On July 30 2017 17:40 ParksonVN wrote: No Zerg can challenge InnoVation. You forgot him :D I'd love seem them settle that in Blizzcon final | ||
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On July 30 2017 17:50 Diabolique wrote: I would like to thank to IEM Shanghai for enabling the Koreans to play in it and for preparing the VODs with great speed so that we can watch the whole semifinals and finals a few hours after they have been played! so true. i also hate waiting for vods, wondering what a big challange it could be just to upload a simple video. that said it puzzles me why certain matches of the group stage have not been uploaded at all??? | ||
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On July 30 2017 19:47 inken wrote: so true. i also hate waiting for vods, wondering what a big challange it could be just to upload a simple video. that said it puzzles me why certain matches of the group stage have not been uploaded at all??? Not all games were streamed. | ||
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On July 30 2017 20:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: "Byun will easily 3-0 Rogue" Rogue fuck yes! I mean, if you had seen Rogue play in SSL, you'd understand Okay, I was wrong | ||
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After the semis I was really hoping for hero to win the whole thing - but I have to say Rogue dismantled him in the finals (after a super strong showing vs ByuN!), hopefully Rogue will be at Blizzcon. Thanks to IEM and the Chinese scene for this very nice tournament, and congrats to all: players, casters, production, crowd.. very cool atmosphere | ||
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Sweet. This means we can finally see what happened in those Rogue Gumiho games. | ||
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On July 30 2017 20:49 Durnuu wrote: I mean, if you had seen Rogue play in SSL, you'd understand Okay, I was wrong Yeah but rogue 3-0d byun in the qualifiers for this. He's the sickest Zerg atm | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
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SoleSteeler
Canada5414 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On July 31 2017 01:53 geokilla wrote: How is any Terran supposed to beat Rogue if they play like Game 3 on Abyssal Reef? So much creep and map vision for the Zerg. I don't know. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 31 2017 01:53 geokilla wrote: How is any Terran supposed to beat Rogue if they play like Game 3 on Abyssal Reef? So much creep and map vision for the Zerg. A better player can always make the races look one sided. ByuN's TvZ isn't as good as Rogue's ZvT right now. If it were one of the other horseman playing, the game would have been closer. Also, ByuN can really struggle against LBM (whereas Inno/TY/Maru make LBM look weak) | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On July 31 2017 02:45 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? Rogue vs. ByuN game 4. herO vs. TY game 5. If you like banelings, Rogue vs. ByuN game 3. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On July 31 2017 02:45 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? Everygame of the finals except g1 | ||
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Topin
Peru10053 Posts
yeah, was a great final day :D | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 31 2017 02:10 Fango wrote: A better player can always make the races look one sided. ByuN's TvZ isn't as good as Rogue's ZvT right now. If it were one of the other horseman playing, the game would have been closer. Also, ByuN can really struggle against LBM (whereas Inno/TY/Maru make LBM look weak) wow kind of like soO vs Byun | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
soO's ZvT isn't even that good. People forget he has a sub 50% winrate in ZvT this year. Solar/Dark/Rogue are all better than him (and even byul on a good day) | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 31 2017 07:28 Fango wrote: soO's ZvT isn't even that good. People forget he has a sub 50% winrate in ZvT this year. Solar/Dark/Rogue are all better than him (and even byul on a good day) yeah I'm in agreement | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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