On July 28 2017 04:05 Pandemona wrote: Well that's a bummer for Maru fans after seeing Group D T_T
Eh, Maru has ByuN's number, so if he's on, he basically has a free pass out of the group in at least second place. If he's off, it wouldn't matter which group he was in.
On July 28 2017 05:01 pvsnp wrote: Inno and Maru for sure, Byun is only good at proxy reapers in TvT.
Sometimes that's all you need.
Inb4 Inno+Maru both proxy reaper ByuN
For real though, the two things ByuN is really good at in TvT are cheesing and defending cheese. So that'd probably not be the best plan.
Seriously, Inno and Maru are thoroughly familiar with ByuN's TvT at this point. I expect both of them to scout thoroughly, bunker up if needed, take it to a macro game, and win.
On July 28 2017 05:16 ByuuN wrote: Group C - soO and herO Group D - ByuN and INnoVation
Maru is losing to players like JJAKJI while ByuN beat INnovation 2 times in a row.
Maru is definitely struggling, but the TvT skill of ByuN and jjakji is not that far apart outside of reapers.
ByuN vs Inno was all online and basically all cheese. Wouldn't put much if any credit on that. I'd be shocked if Inno doesn't scout and defend properly offline since he is definitely favored in a macro TvT.
On July 28 2017 06:50 Phredxor wrote: All i know is that Trust is gonna rekt some Terran scum. I fully expect tears.
In the last 6 months, has Trust beaten a quality Terran other than aLive who has been slumping?
Just about the only thing I know about Trust is that Inno roflstomped him 3-0 at Gyeonggi. I fully expect the same thing to happen today, except Trust will be spared the third defeat because Bo3.
On July 28 2017 05:34 Vutalisk wrote: Definitely root for herO and soO but it is a tough group for herO with 2 strong Zerg. Fingers crossed. Don't care about group D.
On July 28 2017 09:49 Boggyb wrote: What are the odds that IEM doesn't start with TIME Solar and instead shows soO hero or Maru ByuN both of which are far superior matches on paper?
On July 28 2017 09:49 Boggyb wrote: What are the odds that IEM doesn't start with TIME Solar and instead shows soO hero or Maru ByuN both of which are far superior matches on paper?
On July 28 2017 09:49 Boggyb wrote: What are the odds that IEM doesn't start with TIME Solar and instead shows soO hero or Maru ByuN both of which are far superior matches on paper?
but those aren't the matchups D:
Close enough. herO Solar is still significantly more interesting than soO TIME.
On July 28 2017 10:12 droppanda wrote: They going to show TIME match but all other matchups much more exciting - unless TIME can pull off upsets like AI did yesterday.
Eh, I think it is better than Innovation Trust on paper since that looks like a stomping.
So there's not gonna be a b-stream for any of the group stage?? Even a live feed would be nice so anyone can cast over it, it's not exactly a small tourney
On July 28 2017 11:52 nick00bot wrote: So there's not gonna be a b-stream for any of the group stage?? Even a live feed would be nice so anyone can cast over it, it's not exactly a small tourney
we seem to be lucky to get full coverage on an A stream ... :/
On July 28 2017 11:51 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: 4 colossus army with a billion ff gets rekt by hydra ling bane army,
I dont play pvz (I main t), but is colossus THAT garbage? or the corruptors are really strong? idk Kev??
I mean solar was up 40 supply, and not in supply inefficient units (bane/hydra/corruptor). He also got a beautiful 3 way flank up in an open space and targetted colossi well, solar definitely deserved to win that fight.
I think if hero had stayed back a little bit, gotten a couple disruptors, and tried to engage from beneath the fourth, it would of gone a lot better
Did Maru place marines in the gap between sensor tower ranges knowing that's where a drop had to come in? Sounds like something really obvious, why don't I do that
On July 28 2017 12:30 Fango wrote: Did Maru place marines in the gap between sensor tower ranges knowing that's where a drop had to come in? Sounds like something really obvious, why don't I do that
You'd still have to spot the medivacs on your minimap and react in time to target them down like Maru.
On July 28 2017 12:32 Shellshock wrote: should have gone proxy marauders
is this actually good tho
It either works amazingly well (if opponent assumes it's proxy reapers instead) or completely fails. ByuN did it successfully against TY, TY tried to do it back and failed miserably.
On July 28 2017 12:32 Shellshock wrote: should have gone proxy marauders
is this actually good tho
It either works amazingly well (if opponent assumes it's proxy reapers instead) or completely fails. ByuN did it successfully against TY, TY tried to do it back and failed miserably.
If unscouted and the opponent expands it's insta GG though. But who expands without scouting in TvT (edit: TY thats who)
On July 28 2017 12:45 pvsnp wrote: "Possibly the greatest player of all time in Starcraft II." --Artosis
Hell of an endorsement for Inno.
The guy has been a monster for the better part of 2 expansions. I dont know if I can definitely say that he is but 'possibly the greatest' isnt inaccurate imo.
If you want to have the discussion he is going to be in there.
On July 28 2017 14:15 Shellshock wrote: holy shit why would you do that maru
Innovation's army was easier to control. And he had the economy to make up for the army's lower efficiency. Eventually Maru would fumble and Innovation pounced on that.
it's too bad. byun vs inno could maybe be a little more interesting. byun just gonna get curbstomped again though cause maru is impervious to his cheeses
On July 28 2017 15:09 matolv wrote: Stage is only for winner. Poor Bunny. FeelsBadMan.
I'm surprised he bothered to stick around, maybe his hotel is booked for the whole tournament?
Hotel room and plane tickets are booked well in advance, so might as well stick around the convention center
I distinctly remember IEM Katowice having to extend some players reservations though as they made it deeper into the tournament, I mean it makes financial sense not to play for everyone's room and board when you know for certain only two players will be left for the last day.
On July 28 2017 15:09 matolv wrote: Stage is only for winner. Poor Bunny. FeelsBadMan.
I'm surprised he bothered to stick around, maybe his hotel is booked for the whole tournament?
Hotel room and plane tickets are booked well in advance, so might as well stick around the convention center
I distinctly remember IEM Katowice having to extend some players reservations though as they made it deeper into the tournament, I mean it makes financial sense not to play for everyone's room and board when you know for certain only two players will be left for the last day.
Wouldn't that end up costing more since you'd have to buy planet tickets for the return flights later?
On July 28 2017 15:09 matolv wrote: Stage is only for winner. Poor Bunny. FeelsBadMan.
I'm surprised he bothered to stick around, maybe his hotel is booked for the whole tournament?
Hotel room and plane tickets are booked well in advance, so might as well stick around the convention center
I distinctly remember IEM Katowice having to extend some players reservations though as they made it deeper into the tournament, I mean it makes financial sense not to play for everyone's room and board when you know for certain only two players will be left for the last day.
Wouldn't that end up costing more since you'd have to buy planet tickets for the return flights later?
Korean players are shipped in containers on ships anyway.
On July 28 2017 15:09 matolv wrote: Stage is only for winner. Poor Bunny. FeelsBadMan.
I'm surprised he bothered to stick around, maybe his hotel is booked for the whole tournament?
Hotel room and plane tickets are booked well in advance, so might as well stick around the convention center
I distinctly remember IEM Katowice having to extend some players reservations though as they made it deeper into the tournament, I mean it makes financial sense not to play for everyone's room and board when you know for certain only two players will be left for the last day.
Wouldn't that end up costing more since you'd have to buy planet tickets for the return flights later?
I dunno, obviously I wasn't the one doing the buying. Katowice is also different because there were a lot of local players so ESL didn't have to pay for a ton of flights, especially since those local players were mostly eliminated early. Under those circumstances I can understood booking X hotel rooms and dividing X by 2 every day.
On July 28 2017 16:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: God this announcer is so hyped
This is hype done right. If you want to see hype done wrong find the VODs for MLG Anaheim 2014 and watch Axeltoss trying to hype up Trap after he beat Polt in the finals.
I was thinking why dont they use maps such as Steps of War anymore? All we ever see these days is units bypassing the middle and attacking mineral lines making these large maps pointless
On July 28 2017 16:17 Topdoller wrote: I was thinking why dont they use maps such as Steps of War anymore? All we ever see these days is units bypassing the middle and attacking mineral lines making these large maps pointless
Units use the middle all the time. Just not on Proxima which was more airspace than Bosnia's no fly zones.
On July 28 2017 16:17 Topdoller wrote: I was thinking why dont they use maps such as Steps of War anymore? All we ever see these days is units bypassing the middle and attacking mineral lines making these large maps pointless
Exactly what I was thinking. No point in playing Starcraft if the travel time from nat to nat is shorter than from your nat to your 4th.
On July 28 2017 16:17 Topdoller wrote: I was thinking why dont they use maps such as Steps of War anymore? All we ever see these days is units bypassing the middle and attacking mineral lines making these large maps pointless
Units use the middle all the time. Just not on Proxima which was more airspace than Bosnia's no fly zones.
I am just watching this TvT right now and all they have done is pickup and drop each other bases, the middle of the map may as well not be there, in fact the previous set between them was the same as well
On July 28 2017 16:17 Topdoller wrote: I was thinking why dont they use maps such as Steps of War anymore? All we ever see these days is units bypassing the middle and attacking mineral lines making these large maps pointless
Units use the middle all the time. Just not on Proxima which was more airspace than Bosnia's no fly zones.
I am just watching this TvT right now and all they have done is pickup and drop each other bases, the middle of the map may as well not be there, in fact the previous set between them was the same as well
Gumiho is better (at least in 2017) but he is also more overrated. People see him winning GSL on a great day but don't realize he is extremely inconsistent and can lose to iAsonu a month later. Though to be fair some ignorant ByuN fanboys still think he is the best Terran in the world.
On July 28 2017 16:44 pvsnp wrote: Poor Maru, not a happy birthday for him. No way he goes to Blizzcon now. But impossible to hate ByuN when he is so genuinely happy
On July 28 2017 16:44 pvsnp wrote: Poor Maru, not a happy birthday for him. No way he goes to Blizzcon now. But impossible to hate ByuN when he is so genuinely happy
Nah. It's not impossible, trust me.
Impossible for me, at least. Inno got through so I didn't really have a preference between Maru/ByuN. Maru is the better player imo but ByuN is such a nice guy it's hard to cheer against him.
On July 28 2017 16:44 pvsnp wrote: Poor Maru, not a happy birthday for him. No way he goes to Blizzcon now. But impossible to hate ByuN when he is so genuinely happy
Nah. It's not impossible, trust me.
Do you really not like him? I understand not liking his annoying fanboys but that's shouldn't reflect on him
On July 28 2017 16:44 pvsnp wrote: Poor Maru, not a happy birthday for him. No way he goes to Blizzcon now. But impossible to hate ByuN when he is so genuinely happy
Nah. It's not impossible, trust me.
Do you really not like him? I understand not liking his annoying fanboys but that's shouldn't reflect on him
What the hell happened? I saw Maru vs Buyn first match and Inno game 1 he looked on fire I thought he would advance first place. He is actually out? Did he choke or what? (( Oh man and Solar out too, what a day...
On July 28 2017 17:01 pvsnp wrote: Most hype match might just be IA vs TY, I'm curious to see if he can continue his sick winstreak against top-tier Koreans.
That would be ultimate upset, TY is too solid imo.
On July 28 2017 17:39 Yiome wrote: TY is going for more $$$ in China Although I personally want to see soO takes this and break his 2nd curse here and now
He already won Kespa Cup, the only curse that remains on him is Starleague finals.
On July 28 2017 17:39 Yiome wrote: TY is going for more $$$ in China Although I personally want to see soO takes this and break his 2nd curse here and now
He already won Kespa Cup, the only curse that remains on him is Starleague finals.
Kespa Cup was in KR therefore a special event. He's already got 2 2nd places in foreign premiers :p
byun is a smart guy. he knew that there was no way he could beat innovation, so he throws the first match against maru to get the rematch curse on his side. nice
On July 28 2017 22:32 beepbeeeeeeep wrote: byun is a smart guy. he knew that there was no way he could beat innovation, so he throws the first match against maru to get the rematch curse on his side. nice
Rematch curse is no joke. Does anyone else get it on the ladder? I guess losing is a better learning experience than winning. Allows you to adjust to whatever your weakness was in the first match
(I always wished the had a clause or something in GSL so that you couldn't lose to someone in maps and beat them overall. Its always sad to see)
On July 29 2017 03:09 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches?
INnoVation vs Maru, Artosis called games 2 and 3 "some of the best I've seen in 2017"
herO vs Solar (decider) was also quite good.
i agree. games 2 and 3 of Innovation v. Maru were awesome.
The only games at IEM Shanghai that were close to bad were the ZvZ games between Soo and Solar with 5 million roaches. Generally speaking, the games have been very good.
"The thing is, if he actually meets Maru in real life he'll keep his zippers up and won't even be brave enough to meet him face to face lol"
This comment is actually accurate lol. At kespa cup, nerchio was all sucked up and kept to himself. I expect the same at GSL vs TW. It's only when he's in a different region and can't actually play koreans that he shit talks haha
On July 29 2017 03:09 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches?
INnoVation vs Maru, Artosis called games 2 and 3 "some of the best I've seen in 2017"
herO vs Solar (decider) was also quite good.
i agree. games 2 and 3 of Innovation v. Maru were awesome.
The only games at IEM Shanghai that were close to bad were the ZvZ games between Soo and Solar with 5 million roaches. Generally speaking, the games have been very good.
Did we ever see the rest of that Gumiho vs Rogue game with like 25 ghosts or something?
On July 29 2017 03:09 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches?
INnoVation vs Maru, Artosis called games 2 and 3 "some of the best I've seen in 2017"
herO vs Solar (decider) was also quite good.
i agree. games 2 and 3 of Innovation v. Maru were awesome.
The only games at IEM Shanghai that were close to bad were the ZvZ games between Soo and Solar with 5 million roaches. Generally speaking, the games have been very good.
Did we ever see the rest of that Gumiho vs Rogue game with like 25 ghosts or something?
Nope. It looked hype as fuck too, but apparently commercials take priority over lategame TvZ.
At least production was better about showing the good series in Groups C and D.
On July 29 2017 07:09 Shellshock wrote: Koreans confirmed sensitive. Maybe the foreigners can tilt them into losses at gsl vs world
I mean, those aren't pros raging about Nerchio. And since when have rabid fans ever not been sensitive? Only foreigner in the Ro8 will be the winner of MajOr vs Kelazhur.
"The thing is, if he actually meets Maru in real life he'll keep his zippers up and won't even be brave enough to meet him face to face lol"
This comment is actually accurate lol. At kespa cup, nerchio was all sucked up and kept to himself. I expect the same at GSL vs TW. It's only when he's in a different region and can't actually play koreans that he shit talks haha
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