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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 10 2017 20:59 Durnuu wrote: Poor Terrans can't innovate since Mvp invented everything The real tragedy here is that INnoVation actually has changed the meta of every matchup multiple times, but he's still called a bland player, because his innovations become the standard. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37064 Posts
On June 10 2017 21:00 Inflicted wrote: INno really wanted that prediction achievement What prediction achievement? | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
They said the players get an achievement for predicting the series' score | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
Time to proxy rax in the middle of the map | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
Lost first game on purpose to get the 4-1, 4-0 not hype enough | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 10 2017 21:01 Ej_ wrote: The real tragedy here is that INnoVation actually has changed the meta of every matchup multiple times, but he's still called a bland player, because his innovations became the standard. But I don't think Inno invented any of the builds he uses though. It's true that once he starts using a build literally every ladder Terran copies him but that's because Inno is basically just the gold standard of Terran builds, not the original inventor. Though it must be said that Inno can be a lot more unpredictable than people like to give him credit for. His planning is excellent and he does well in series with lots of prep time. It's in-game on-the-fly sort of stuff that he struggles with. | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
Edit: Actually quite predictable from Inno. | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
On June 10 2017 21:02 pvsnp wrote: But I don't think Inno invented any of the builds he uses though. It's true that once he starts using a build literally every ladder Terran copies him but that's because Inno is basically just the gold standard of Terran builds, not the original inventor. For a lot of them there's no evidence that they weren't his builds. They were created in team houses after all, which makes it impossible to say if it was him who came up with a build, or if he perfected something a B-teamer came up with. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 10 2017 21:03 Elentos wrote: For a lot of them there's no evidence that they weren't his builds. They were created in team houses after all, which makes it impossible to say if it was him who came up with a build, or if he perfected something a B-teamer came up with. Well by that logic can we really say anyone invents any build? It could just be that their no-name friend came up with the BO and they are merely the first executing it on TV. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 10 2017 21:02 pvsnp wrote: But I don't think Inno invented any of the builds he uses though. It's true that once he starts using a build literally every ladder Terran copies him but that's because Inno is basically just the gold standard of Terran builds, not the original inventor. On top of my head: he made drilling claws rush vs Protoss, +1 armor mech timing vs Terran, hellion/banshee with 2 ravens vs Zerg, modern (LotV timing) hellbat banshee with both bio and mech followups, 2fact cyclone/hellion vs Zerg before 3.8 and after 3.8, mass cyclone vs Protoss | ||
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Penev
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
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Elentos
55566 Posts
On June 10 2017 21:04 pvsnp wrote: Well by that logic can we really say anyone invents any build? It could just be that their no-name friend came up with the BO and they are merely the first executing it on TV. Probably not. But popularizing a build to the point where everyone copies it after you did it a few times because you made it look so strong is an achievement in itself. | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
Bunker rush, hellion/banshee, marines/tanks | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 10 2017 21:05 Ej_ wrote: On top of my head: he made drilling claws rush vs Protoss, +1 armor mech timing vs Terran, hellion/banshee with 2 ravens vs Zerg, modern (LotV timing) hellbat banshee with both bio and mech followups, 2fact cyclone/hellion vs Zerg before 3.8 and after 3.8, mass cyclone vs Protoss Hmm, that's more than I thought but I do remember him using all of those builds pretty extensively. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On June 10 2017 21:05 Penev wrote: now just mass reaper into 4-1 to successfully ruin another finals completely I can see it happening, what's the map ? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
WW so it probably won't happen. | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
Whirlwind This wouldn't stop ByuN | ||
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