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Elentos
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On June 07 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:11 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:07 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:05 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:04 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:03 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:01 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:59 Durnuu wrote:On June 07 2017 19:57 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:55 Durnuu wrote:
Mech is so imba literally only GuMiho plays it ? The problem is not if it's imba or not, but that's it's horrible to watch/play and far easier than real terran style. Then why do you call it "ridiculously strong" ? On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that. And I disagree so heavily. It's not "easier" at all. MarineLorD admitted that he was playing mech in HotS because it was OP as fuck, but retardly easy to play. Every terran knows this. And it's ridiculously strong because Gumiho can beat TY playing bio with it. They are not exactly the same class of players so it makes it even sadder. It's not HotS anymore. Mech is hard to make work. TY beat himself. Says who? Oh Idk maybe the fact that nobody plays mech except GuMiho and SuperNova And how does that prove that it's not easier to play? If terrans wanted to play easy on mechanics styles, they would play another race. Might explain why (top) terrans prefer playing bio. Pro players play what wins them the most games. That's why everyone switched to mech in late HotS. Not because they suddenly all at once thought mech was more fun to play. But somehow the fact that everyone plays bio now to you means it's because they think it's more fun even though mech is way easier. They switched against other races because it helped them win. I'm not saying playing mech in TvZ is wrong, if it works it works. I'm saying playing mech in TvT while bio vs bio is funnier and allows you to win just as well (since it's a mirror) is wrong. Bio is viable in TvT so you should avoid playing mech.
Everyone switched to mech in TvT in late HotS too.
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On June 07 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:11 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:07 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:05 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:04 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:03 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:01 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:59 Durnuu wrote:On June 07 2017 19:57 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:55 Durnuu wrote:
Mech is so imba literally only GuMiho plays it ? The problem is not if it's imba or not, but that's it's horrible to watch/play and far easier than real terran style. Then why do you call it "ridiculously strong" ? On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that. And I disagree so heavily. It's not "easier" at all. MarineLorD admitted that he was playing mech in HotS because it was OP as fuck, but retardly easy to play. Every terran knows this. And it's ridiculously strong because Gumiho can beat TY playing bio with it. They are not exactly the same class of players so it makes it even sadder. It's not HotS anymore. Mech is hard to make work. TY beat himself. Says who? Oh Idk maybe the fact that nobody plays mech except GuMiho and SuperNova And how does that prove that it's not easier to play? If terrans wanted to play easy on mechanics styles, they would play another race. Might explain why (top) terrans prefer playing bio. Pro players play what wins them the most games. That's why everyone switched to mech in late HotS. Not because they suddenly all at once thought mech was more fun to play. But somehow the fact that everyone plays bio now to you means it's because they think it's more fun even though mech is way easier. They switched against other races because it helped them win. I'm not saying playing mech in TvZ is wrong, if it works it works. I'm saying playing mech in TvT while bio vs bio is funnier and allows you to win just as well (since it's a mirror) is wrong. Bio is viable in TvT so you should avoid playing mech.
but why did everyone play mech in late HotS tvt ?
And why shouldn't Gumiho be able to beat TY with Mech when he defeated him in G3 and G4 with bio?
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On June 07 2017 20:14 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:11 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:07 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:05 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:04 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:03 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:01 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:59 Durnuu wrote:On June 07 2017 19:57 Poopi wrote:
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? The problem is not if it's imba or not, but that's it's horrible to watch/play and far easier than real terran style.
Then why do you call it "ridiculously strong" ? On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that. And I disagree so heavily. It's not "easier" at all. MarineLorD admitted that he was playing mech in HotS because it was OP as fuck, but retardly easy to play. Every terran knows this. And it's ridiculously strong because Gumiho can beat TY playing bio with it. They are not exactly the same class of players so it makes it even sadder. It's not HotS anymore. Mech is hard to make work. TY beat himself. Says who? Oh Idk maybe the fact that nobody plays mech except GuMiho and SuperNova And how does that prove that it's not easier to play? If terrans wanted to play easy on mechanics styles, they would play another race. Might explain why (top) terrans prefer playing bio. Pro players play what wins them the most games. That's why everyone switched to mech in late HotS. Not because they suddenly all at once thought mech was more fun to play. But somehow the fact that everyone plays bio now to you means it's because they think it's more fun even though mech is way easier. They switched against other races because it helped them win. I'm not saying playing mech in TvZ is wrong, if it works it works. I'm saying playing mech in TvT while bio vs bio is funnier and allows you to win just as well (since it's a mirror) is wrong. Bio is viable in TvT so you should avoid playing mech. Everyone switched to mech in TvT in late HotS too.
Because bio wasn't viable I guess?
I didn't follow HotS much but I know it has been a very bad game towards the end (and even at the start with the swarm host one hour long games).
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On June 07 2017 20:14 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:11 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:07 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:05 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:04 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:03 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:01 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:59 Durnuu wrote:On June 07 2017 19:57 Poopi wrote:
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? The problem is not if it's imba or not, but that's it's horrible to watch/play and far easier than real terran style.
Then why do you call it "ridiculously strong" ? On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that. And I disagree so heavily. It's not "easier" at all. MarineLorD admitted that he was playing mech in HotS because it was OP as fuck, but retardly easy to play. Every terran knows this. And it's ridiculously strong because Gumiho can beat TY playing bio with it. They are not exactly the same class of players so it makes it even sadder. It's not HotS anymore. Mech is hard to make work. TY beat himself. Says who? Oh Idk maybe the fact that nobody plays mech except GuMiho and SuperNova And how does that prove that it's not easier to play? If terrans wanted to play easy on mechanics styles, they would play another race. Might explain why (top) terrans prefer playing bio. Pro players play what wins them the most games. That's why everyone switched to mech in late HotS. Not because they suddenly all at once thought mech was more fun to play. But somehow the fact that everyone plays bio now to you means it's because they think it's more fun even though mech is way easier. They switched against other races because it helped them win. I'm not saying playing mech in TvZ is wrong, if it works it works. I'm saying playing mech in TvT while bio vs bio is funnier and allows you to win just as well (since it's a mirror) is wrong. Bio is viable in TvT so you should avoid playing mech. Everyone switched to mech in TvT in late HotS too.
Maru didn't, he is a real man
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On June 07 2017 20:11 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:09 DieuCure wrote:On June 07 2017 20:06 Durnuu wrote:On June 07 2017 20:01 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:59 Durnuu wrote:On June 07 2017 19:57 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:55 Durnuu wrote:
Mech is so imba literally only GuMiho plays it ? The problem is not if it's imba or not, but that's it's horrible to watch/play and far easier than real terran style. Then why do you call it "ridiculously strong" ? On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that. And I disagree so heavily. It's not "easier" at all. MarineLorD admitted that he was playing mech in HotS because it was OP as fuck, but retardly easy to play. Every terran knows this. And it's ridiculously strong because Gumiho can beat TY playing bio with it. They are not exactly the same class of players so it makes it even sadder. Gumiho beat TY in bio vs bio in games 3 and 4, but somehow he won game 5 because mech is OP ? Mech doesn't require the same set of skills as bio, but it doesn't mean it's easier to play. If it were "retardly easy" why do I not see anyone playing mech in TvT at my level (or in the pro scene while I'm at it, aside from GuMiho) ? You really think he practices mech as much as bio ? Nah, mech is like cheese, you can steal games Don't bother, it's like Super Smash Bros Brawl players that were like "uh the game is slow but it ain't easy compared to Melee you know!! we have to use mindgames you know!! mindgames is hard we have to think a lot and stuff you know!! stop saying our game is bad!". They won't ever admit their game is both easier and less fun.
Rofl, i agree, ego issues
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On June 07 2017 20:12 Charoisaur wrote:do you follow avilo?
Who does not? Avilo, Nani, where else would you find such unique tweets about Poland and similar?
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Elentos
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On June 07 2017 20:15 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:14 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:11 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:07 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:05 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:04 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:03 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:01 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:59 Durnuu wrote:
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Then why do you call it "ridiculously strong" ?
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And I disagree so heavily. It's not "easier" at all. MarineLorD admitted that he was playing mech in HotS because it was OP as fuck, but retardly easy to play. Every terran knows this. And it's ridiculously strong because Gumiho can beat TY playing bio with it. They are not exactly the same class of players so it makes it even sadder. It's not HotS anymore. Mech is hard to make work. TY beat himself. Says who? Oh Idk maybe the fact that nobody plays mech except GuMiho and SuperNova And how does that prove that it's not easier to play? If terrans wanted to play easy on mechanics styles, they would play another race. Might explain why (top) terrans prefer playing bio. Pro players play what wins them the most games. That's why everyone switched to mech in late HotS. Not because they suddenly all at once thought mech was more fun to play. But somehow the fact that everyone plays bio now to you means it's because they think it's more fun even though mech is way easier. They switched against other races because it helped them win. I'm not saying playing mech in TvZ is wrong, if it works it works. I'm saying playing mech in TvT while bio vs bio is funnier and allows you to win just as well (since it's a mirror) is wrong. Bio is viable in TvT so you should avoid playing mech. Everyone switched to mech in TvT in late HotS too. Maru didn't, he is a real man
He lost to BrAvO when he tried I'm pretty sure.
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On June 07 2017 20:15 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:14 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:11 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:07 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:05 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:04 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:03 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:01 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:59 Durnuu wrote:
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Then why do you call it "ridiculously strong" ?
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And I disagree so heavily. It's not "easier" at all. MarineLorD admitted that he was playing mech in HotS because it was OP as fuck, but retardly easy to play. Every terran knows this. And it's ridiculously strong because Gumiho can beat TY playing bio with it. They are not exactly the same class of players so it makes it even sadder. It's not HotS anymore. Mech is hard to make work. TY beat himself. Says who? Oh Idk maybe the fact that nobody plays mech except GuMiho and SuperNova And how does that prove that it's not easier to play? If terrans wanted to play easy on mechanics styles, they would play another race. Might explain why (top) terrans prefer playing bio. Pro players play what wins them the most games. That's why everyone switched to mech in late HotS. Not because they suddenly all at once thought mech was more fun to play. But somehow the fact that everyone plays bio now to you means it's because they think it's more fun even though mech is way easier. They switched against other races because it helped them win. I'm not saying playing mech in TvZ is wrong, if it works it works. I'm saying playing mech in TvT while bio vs bio is funnier and allows you to win just as well (since it's a mirror) is wrong. Bio is viable in TvT so you should avoid playing mech. Everyone switched to mech in TvT in late HotS too. Maru didn't, he is a real man
and then he couldn't even beat Flash anymore....
On June 07 2017 20:16 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:15 Durnuu wrote:On June 07 2017 20:14 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:11 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:07 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:05 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:04 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:03 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:01 Poopi wrote:
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MarineLorD admitted that he was playing mech in HotS because it was OP as fuck, but retardly easy to play.
Every terran knows this.
And it's ridiculously strong because Gumiho can beat TY playing bio with it.
They are not exactly the same class of players so it makes it even sadder. It's not HotS anymore. Mech is hard to make work. TY beat himself. Says who? Oh Idk maybe the fact that nobody plays mech except GuMiho and SuperNova And how does that prove that it's not easier to play? If terrans wanted to play easy on mechanics styles, they would play another race. Might explain why (top) terrans prefer playing bio. Pro players play what wins them the most games. That's why everyone switched to mech in late HotS. Not because they suddenly all at once thought mech was more fun to play. But somehow the fact that everyone plays bio now to you means it's because they think it's more fun even though mech is way easier. They switched against other races because it helped them win. I'm not saying playing mech in TvZ is wrong, if it works it works. I'm saying playing mech in TvT while bio vs bio is funnier and allows you to win just as well (since it's a mirror) is wrong. Bio is viable in TvT so you should avoid playing mech. Everyone switched to mech in TvT in late HotS too. Maru didn't, he is a real man He lost to BrAvO when he tried I'm pretty sure.
Yeah I remember that too.
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France13023 Posts
On June 07 2017 20:15 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:11 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:07 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:05 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:04 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:03 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:01 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 19:59 Durnuu wrote:On June 07 2017 19:57 Poopi wrote:
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? The problem is not if it's imba or not, but that's it's horrible to watch/play and far easier than real terran style.
Then why do you call it "ridiculously strong" ? On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that. And I disagree so heavily. It's not "easier" at all. MarineLorD admitted that he was playing mech in HotS because it was OP as fuck, but retardly easy to play. Every terran knows this. And it's ridiculously strong because Gumiho can beat TY playing bio with it. They are not exactly the same class of players so it makes it even sadder. It's not HotS anymore. Mech is hard to make work. TY beat himself. Says who? Oh Idk maybe the fact that nobody plays mech except GuMiho and SuperNova And how does that prove that it's not easier to play? If terrans wanted to play easy on mechanics styles, they would play another race. Might explain why (top) terrans prefer playing bio. Pro players play what wins them the most games. That's why everyone switched to mech in late HotS. Not because they suddenly all at once thought mech was more fun to play. But somehow the fact that everyone plays bio now to you means it's because they think it's more fun even though mech is way easier. They switched against other races because it helped them win. I'm not saying playing mech in TvZ is wrong, if it works it works. I'm saying playing mech in TvT while bio vs bio is funnier and allows you to win just as well (since it's a mirror) is wrong. Bio is viable in TvT so you should avoid playing mech. but why did everyone play mech in late HotS tvt ? And why shouldn't Gumiho be able to beat TY with Mech when he defeated him in G3 and G4 with bio?
And why shouldn't TY be able to beat Gumiho with bio vs mech when he defeated him in G1 and G2 with bio?
I don't see where you are going.
Don't you agree that mech is less fun and easier mechanilly? Thus easier since mechanics is what is difficult about terran.
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Regardless of if he wins vs byun, maru will have better results in korea than TY lol
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On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that.
People can't be serious right? 1/1000 mech games played and saying it's imba because there's one player smart enough in GSL to realize mech is most viable in TvT and plays it? xD
People should be happy as fuck a pro actually has the balls to play mech in money matches live. Props to Gumiho for being smart enough to play mech TvT. Most other pros are too afraid to play it even though it's always been theoretically stronger than bio if you play mech well.
Also, for all these crazies here arguing that mech is easier than bio to play...what? If mech is so easy why for the last 6 yrs does everyone play bio at professional level 95% of the time or more? At some point you have to realize you are completely wrong and know nothing about the game.
Mech is way more difficult to play than bio because bio play can default to "making marines" and still have viable anti-air, whereas mech play you have to strategically think about the game more and balance your anti-air to anti-ground otherwise your entire army can become useless in an instant if the opponent gets air advantage.
A 200/200 supply mech army can theoretically be worthless versus 3 liberators which is why mech is so difficult to play compared to bio. You'll never see a 200/200 bio army be completely worthless in the span of 15 seconds in the game because the opponent made air units because marines are a catch-all and can target any unit in the game, air or ground.
Hopefully we see more mech games, and hopefully we see more TvZ mech versus good Zergs that know how strong swarmhosts are versus mech so blizzard can address swarmhosts.
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On June 07 2017 20:16 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:15 Durnuu wrote:On June 07 2017 20:14 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:11 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:07 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:05 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:04 Poopi wrote:On June 07 2017 20:03 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 20:01 Poopi wrote:
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MarineLorD admitted that he was playing mech in HotS because it was OP as fuck, but retardly easy to play.
Every terran knows this.
And it's ridiculously strong because Gumiho can beat TY playing bio with it.
They are not exactly the same class of players so it makes it even sadder. It's not HotS anymore. Mech is hard to make work. TY beat himself. Says who? Oh Idk maybe the fact that nobody plays mech except GuMiho and SuperNova And how does that prove that it's not easier to play? If terrans wanted to play easy on mechanics styles, they would play another race. Might explain why (top) terrans prefer playing bio. Pro players play what wins them the most games. That's why everyone switched to mech in late HotS. Not because they suddenly all at once thought mech was more fun to play. But somehow the fact that everyone plays bio now to you means it's because they think it's more fun even though mech is way easier. They switched against other races because it helped them win. I'm not saying playing mech in TvZ is wrong, if it works it works. I'm saying playing mech in TvT while bio vs bio is funnier and allows you to win just as well (since it's a mirror) is wrong. Bio is viable in TvT so you should avoid playing mech. Everyone switched to mech in TvT in late HotS too. Maru didn't, he is a real man He lost to BrAvO when he tried I'm pretty sure.
shhhh 
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On June 07 2017 20:18 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that. People can't be serious right? 1/1000 mech games played and saying it's imba because there's one player smart enough in GSL to realize mech is most viable in TvT and plays it? xD People should be happy as fuck a pro actually has the balls to play mech in money matches live. Props to Gumiho for being smart enough to play mech TvT. Most other pros are too afraid to play it even though it's always been theoretically stronger than bio if you play mech well.
Have to agree with this sadly....
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On June 07 2017 20:18 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that. People can't be serious right? 1/1000 mech games played and saying it's imba because there's one player smart enough in GSL to realize mech is most viable in TvT and plays it? xD People should be happy as fuck a pro actually has the balls to play mech in money matches live. Props to Gumiho for being smart enough to play mech TvT. Most other pros are too afraid to play it even though it's always been theoretically stronger than bio if you play mech well.
We just say mech is easier to play in TvT, but they dont want to admit it.
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wonder if ByuN will still cuddle Maru after getting destroyed by him.
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On June 07 2017 20:20 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:18 avilo wrote:On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that. People can't be serious right? 1/1000 mech games played and saying it's imba because there's one player smart enough in GSL to realize mech is most viable in TvT and plays it? xD People should be happy as fuck a pro actually has the balls to play mech in money matches live. Props to Gumiho for being smart enough to play mech TvT. Most other pros are too afraid to play it even though it's always been theoretically stronger than bio if you play mech well. We just say mech is easier to play in TvT, but they dont want to admit it.
It isn't. What exactly would you say is harder for the bio player in bio vs mech ? There is barely any micro. You just make a concave and a-move if you have enough.
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On June 07 2017 20:20 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 20:18 avilo wrote:On June 07 2017 19:53 Poopi wrote:
Oh so mech isn't only ridiculously strong at my level, it's still epic bs at KR pro level -;-.
So sad to see Gumiho win like that. People can't be serious right? 1/1000 mech games played and saying it's imba because there's one player smart enough in GSL to realize mech is most viable in TvT and plays it? xD People should be happy as fuck a pro actually has the balls to play mech in money matches live. Props to Gumiho for being smart enough to play mech TvT. Most other pros are too afraid to play it even though it's always been theoretically stronger than bio if you play mech well. We just say mech is easier to play in TvT, but they dont want to admit it.
How do you define what's easy and not? would you also say protoss is easier than terran?
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Macro is easier
Multitask is easier
Micro is easier
Less punitive
I dont know everything is easier as mech
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On June 07 2017 20:20 Charoisaur wrote:
wonder if ByuN will still cuddle Maru after getting destroyed by him.
ByuN will feed what's left of Maru to his puppy
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