On April 17 2017 19:24 Aunvilgodess wrote: what happened G1?
Inno tried to do a proxy rax but it got scouted immediately and he had to cancel so he was behind. He then did a 2-base tank push but Patience killed 20 workers with a prism after Inno moved out and the push got stopped because Patience force fielded the ramp and Inno just kept bumping into new force fields instead of going around or killing the rocks.
On April 17 2017 19:24 Aunvilgodess wrote: what happened G1?
Inno tried to proxy one rax, but was denied. Then he dropped with an empty medivac, eventually went for a push while failing to defend adept harass and finally camped below the nat ramp that was continuously forcefielded, until he lost all army and most scvs.
On April 17 2017 19:26 Olli wrote: Somehow, as time passed, Terrans forgot how the game works
man if only these Terran players knew how to play the game, they would never lose a match again
I mean, if you're doing a mine drop and delaying stim, and you're not making a bunker against any build that involves three gateways, which most do, you deserve to die. In fact, this is exactly how duckdeok killed Innovation at Blizzcon. Patience could and probably should have done way more with that attack after losing nothing to the mines.
People figured this out in 2013 after it killed Terrans over and over. But somehow they keep forgetting these things.
On April 17 2017 19:26 Olli wrote: Somehow, as time passed, Terrans forgot how the game works
man if only these Terran players knew how to play the game, they would never lose a match again
I mean, if you're doing a mine drop and delaying stim, and you're not making a bunker against any build that involves three gateways, which most do, you deserve to die. In fact, this is exactly how duckdeok killed Innovation at Blizzcon. Patience could and probably should have done way more with that attack after losing nothing to the mines.
People figured this out in 2013 after it killed Terrans over and over. But somehow they keep forgetting these things.
Or they try to be as greedy as possible to even have a shot to beat superstar players such as Patience
On April 17 2017 19:26 Olli wrote: Somehow, as time passed, Terrans forgot how the game works
man if only these Terran players knew how to play the game, they would never lose a match again
I mean, if you're doing a mine drop and delaying stim, and you're not making a bunker against any build that involves three gateways, which most do, you deserve to die. In fact, this is exactly how duckdeok killed Innovation at Blizzcon. Patience could and probably should have done way more with that attack after losing nothing to the mines.
People figured this out in 2013 after it killed Terrans over and over. But somehow they keep forgetting these things.
Or they try to be as greedy as possible to even have a shot to beat superstar players such as Patience
Patience was the better player this series, and he's been very good for a long time now.
On April 17 2017 19:26 Olli wrote: Somehow, as time passed, Terrans forgot how the game works
man if only these Terran players knew how to play the game, they would never lose a match again
I mean, if you're doing a mine drop and delaying stim, and you're not making a bunker against any build that involves three gateways, which most do, you deserve to die. In fact, this is exactly how duckdeok killed Innovation at Blizzcon. Patience could and probably should have done way more with that attack after losing nothing to the mines.
People figured this out in 2013 after it killed Terrans over and over. But somehow they keep forgetting these things.
Or they try to be as greedy as possible to even have a shot to beat superstar players such as Patience
Patience was the better player this series, and he's been very good for a long time now.
Honestly Patience wasn't really playing that good. Throwing units and making bad decisions.
On April 17 2017 19:26 Olli wrote: Somehow, as time passed, Terrans forgot how the game works
man if only these Terran players knew how to play the game, they would never lose a match again
I mean, if you're doing a mine drop and delaying stim, and you're not making a bunker against any build that involves three gateways, which most do, you deserve to die. In fact, this is exactly how duckdeok killed Innovation at Blizzcon. Patience could and probably should have done way more with that attack after losing nothing to the mines.
People figured this out in 2013 after it killed Terrans over and over. But somehow they keep forgetting these things.
Or they try to be as greedy as possible to even have a shot to beat superstar players such as Patience
Patience was the better player this series, and he's been very good for a long time now.
Honestly Patience wasn't really playing that good. Throwing units and making bad decisions.
This is one of the rare ocassions where Inno has looked flat out bad tbh.
On April 17 2017 19:26 Olli wrote: Somehow, as time passed, Terrans forgot how the game works
man if only these Terran players knew how to play the game, they would never lose a match again
I mean, if you're doing a mine drop and delaying stim, and you're not making a bunker against any build that involves three gateways, which most do, you deserve to die. In fact, this is exactly how duckdeok killed Innovation at Blizzcon. Patience could and probably should have done way more with that attack after losing nothing to the mines.
People figured this out in 2013 after it killed Terrans over and over. But somehow they keep forgetting these things.
Or they try to be as greedy as possible to even have a shot to beat superstar players such as Patience
Patience was the better player this series, and he's been very good for a long time now.
Honestly Patience wasn't really playing that good. Throwing units and making bad decisions.
On April 17 2017 19:26 Olli wrote: Somehow, as time passed, Terrans forgot how the game works
man if only these Terran players knew how to play the game, they would never lose a match again
I mean, if you're doing a mine drop and delaying stim, and you're not making a bunker against any build that involves three gateways, which most do, you deserve to die. In fact, this is exactly how duckdeok killed Innovation at Blizzcon. Patience could and probably should have done way more with that attack after losing nothing to the mines.
People figured this out in 2013 after it killed Terrans over and over. But somehow they keep forgetting these things.
Or they try to be as greedy as possible to even have a shot to beat superstar players such as Patience
Patience was the better player this series, and he's been very good for a long time now.
Honestly Patience wasn't really playing that good. Throwing units and making bad decisions.
This is one of the rare ocassions where Inno has looked flat out bad tbh.
INnoVation always seems to have issues with Patience for some reason
I love like $o$ is the king of protoss bullshit, yet in the time where everyone wins with said bullshit, he makes it seem completely useless. He just has to be special no matter what
Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
On April 17 2017 20:12 opisska wrote: I love like $o$ is the king of protoss bullshit, yet in the time where everyone wins with said bullshit, he makes it seem completely useless. He just has to be special no matter what
Well, his execution isn't that good compared to other top-tier players so he has to rely on the element of surprise. Phoenix adept isn't that surprising atm.
On April 17 2017 20:12 opisska wrote: I love like $o$ is the king of protoss bullshit, yet in the time where everyone wins with said bullshit, he makes it seem completely useless. He just has to be special no matter what
Well, his execution isn't that good compared to other top-tier players so he has to rely on the element of surprise. Phoenix adept isn't that surprising atm.
On April 17 2017 20:12 opisska wrote: I love like $o$ is the king of protoss bullshit, yet in the time where everyone wins with said bullshit, he makes it seem completely useless. He just has to be special no matter what
Well, his execution isn't that good compared to other top-tier players so he has to rely on the element of surprise. Phoenix adept isn't that surprising atm.
He didn't do phoenix adept actually.
yeah that was the point, he doesn't want to do what everyone else does, despite it being very strong.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
Nerchio and SortOf stole all of their magic power.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
Disagree. TY performs much better in LotV and he's one of the most strategically intelligent players.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
strategically intelligent players Lilbow wins WCS
As far as foreigners went, he was one of the smartest
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
Disagree. TY performs much better in LotV and he's one of the most strategically intelligent players.
Not because of his strategy though. Nobody ever mentioned that he's amazing mechanically. That's shining through now.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
strategically intelligent players Lilbow wins WCS
Yeah and MaNa did well in that game. Something is wrong with that statement.
On April 17 2017 20:12 opisska wrote: I love like $o$ is the king of protoss bullshit, yet in the time where everyone wins with said bullshit, he makes it seem completely useless. He just has to be special no matter what
Its just the Difference between LotV and HotS. LotV cut some pages out of the book of Protoss bullshit.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
strategically intelligent players Lilbow wins WCS
As far as foreigners went, he was one of the smartest
Agreed. he knew that making blinkstalkers at that time was a useful talent toi have.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
strategically intelligent players Lilbow wins WCS
As far as foreigners went, he was one of the smartest
Agreed. he knew that making blinkstalkers at that time was a useful talent toi have.
That's gross oversimplification, but I'm not surprised
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
strategically intelligent players Lilbow wins WCS
As far as foreigners went, he was one of the smartest
Agreed. he knew that making blinkstalkers at that time was a useful talent toi have.
That's gross oversimplification, but I'm not surprised
I was half-joking, I know there's much more to it. Still I don't agree with your original statement.
On April 17 2017 20:50 Olli wrote: I think Zest should have committed to attacking the third. He needs to stay ahead in economy and can't let Stats' army grow uncontested
From what I've seen Zest has a standard response to this build which involves lots of phoenixes.
On April 17 2017 20:50 Olli wrote: I think Zest should have committed to attacking the third. He needs to stay ahead in economy and can't let Stats' army grow uncontested
From what I've seen Zest has a standard response to this build which involves lots of phoenixes.
Still needs to slow Stats down I think. Also if he's going to commit fully to ground, he HAS to have storm in his army.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
Also to the strenghts of all-iners and coinflippers.
On April 17 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Someone tells sOs that you can't make phoenix if you proxy your stargate, especially if everyone and their mother know that you proxy stargate every single game
Works for herO and Classic.
SSL trying to revive my Liquibets today.
Oh? Then sOs is just horribly bad. How did this guy win 2 blizzcon -_-. HotS were dark dark times.
He was much better in HotS, like many players (looking at you Maru, INnoVation, etc)
True. Not an sOs fan but I have to admit in late 2015 he was just really good. Never been quite the same in LotV.
HotS played to the strengths of strategically intelligent players much more. No idea how Innovation was good at it, though.
Also to the strenghts of all-iners and coinflippers.
Which is part of any strategy game and has provided us with some of the most memorable moments in SCII's history.
On April 17 2017 21:09 Durnuu wrote: Not picking any of his ex-teammates, what a betrayal
He only picks good players. Or ones who are clean. One of those.
First one then, he wouldn't pick ByuN otherwise
Maybe ByuN has figured out he needs to bathe to have friends. Maybe Inno told him they could never be a thing unless he starts cleaning himself since his parts can't handle dirt.
On April 17 2017 21:21 Ej_ wrote: it's a completely different build, boys
e: actually no idea why he pulled a drone here, no need to make a spine
To mind game maybe, but it didn't do anything (and I don't see what it could have done, it's not like the drone stayed long enough to "force" spines out of dark)
On April 17 2017 21:31 Ramiz1989 wrote: I actually think that he misclicked on the minimap, and wanted to back off, that move command lasted for way too long.
On April 17 2017 21:33 killerm12 wrote: now - time for our weekly reminder to Maru fanboys that in fact he's not a new bonjwa, just another mediocre player
I'm not even sure how that happened; when something similar happened to Scarlett in some wcs tournament it was clearly because of the map architecture screwing up the pathing.
For Darks movecommand I'm completely clueless what happened there.
On April 17 2017 21:36 Charoisaur wrote: I'm not even sure how that happened; when something similar happened to Scarlett in some wcs tournament it was clearly because of the map architecture screwing up the pathing.
For Darks movecommand I'm completely clueless what happened there.
I don't know but it happens to me all the time too in ZvZ for some reason I think it's because he's trying to rally morphing larva, but I'm not sure
oeh, wake up just to see how my LB's have gone to total shit again. Which mod do I have to bribe to change my votes? I know they take bribes, they have to
On April 17 2017 21:33 killerm12 wrote: now - time for our weekly reminder to Maru fanboys that in fact he's not a new bonjwa, just another mediocre player
On April 17 2017 21:33 killerm12 wrote: now - time for our weekly reminder to Maru fanboys that in fact he's not a new bonjwa, just another mediocre player
On April 17 2017 21:33 killerm12 wrote: now - time for our weekly reminder to Maru fanboys that in fact he's not a new bonjwa, just another mediocre player
On April 17 2017 21:44 Fango wrote: It's 2017 and players still dont know that you shouldn't cheese when you're better in a macro game XD
? Maru is far better than Solar
Solar has destroyed him in macro games recently.
This just shows you can't go LBM vs Maru. You just can't
Well iirc it was on the horrible mappool from GSL ST so it doesn't really count, it's not suited for LotV. I perfectly remember Solar sending his 15 corruptors repeatedly against liberator harass from aLive on Whirlwind, so it is enough to assess Maru as better :D.
With 4 rounds left, the exact combinations are still a little too much to casually work out. But Zest can still win 4 games. There are 45 wins available that have to be distributed among the players - some configurations are outright impossible (more than one player with 9 or 0 are obvious examples) but I think something like 8 8 7 4 3 3 3 3 3 3 should be technically possible, no? So 4 wins would still net you 4th place. But it can be already excluded by the combination of games already played of course.
Edit: if Die4ever was still around, we could make him do a calculation on this
On April 18 2017 00:11 seopthi wrote: Any recommended games?
Game 2 of Maru vs Solar was a nice display of what Maru can do.
Game 2 of sOs vs aLive was probably the best game of the day.
Game 2 of Inno vs Patience is watchable.
Yeah it's really sad because Maru shows glimpses of champion caliber play but on LotV he ultimately disappoints. Could have been something else if he won WESG.
On April 18 2017 00:11 seopthi wrote: Any recommended games?
Game 2 of Maru vs Solar was a nice display of what Maru can do.
Game 2 of sOs vs aLive was probably the best game of the day.
Game 2 of Inno vs Patience is watchable.
Yeah it's really sad because Maru shows glimpses of champion caliber play but on LotV he ultimately disappoints. Could have been something else if he won WESG.
Well maybe hes gonna become more consistent. He still has a lot of time left after all.
On April 18 2017 00:11 seopthi wrote: Any recommended games?
Game 2 of Maru vs Solar was a nice display of what Maru can do.
Game 2 of sOs vs aLive was probably the best game of the day.
Game 2 of Inno vs Patience is watchable.
Yeah it's really sad because Maru shows glimpses of champion caliber play but on LotV he ultimately disappoints. Could have been something else if he won WESG.
Maru's always been that way, and he is a champion after all. Although his style doesn't help. Either he's everywhere at once and looks dominating, or his opponent can hold of the aggression and he looks like he's slumping. 3
I love sOs vs aLive game. So cheesy and so anti-meta from sOs. He lost and all but always appreciate sOs's unorthodox strategy!
Zest vs Stats is the worst. Sloppy game from both sides but Zest was just bad.+ Show Spoiler +
I thought his PvP was much better but hidden Dark Shrine with hope that catching Stats off-guard twice in a row. Then, engage Mothership without detection.
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