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On October 15 2016 21:35 Elentos wrote: Losira will just do a bunch of random stuff, mass some lings, and then at some point someone dies and it'll be glorious.
yeah i dont know man, its still MaNa, the worst pvz player of all time
On October 15 2016 21:35 Elentos wrote: Losira will just do a bunch of random stuff, mass some lings, and then at some point someone dies and it'll be glorious.
On October 15 2016 21:35 Elentos wrote: Losira will just do a bunch of random stuff, mass some lings, and then at some point someone dies and it'll be glorious.
On October 15 2016 21:50 Elentos wrote: Quick inspection, I have determined that Super has played in tournaments outside of Korea. Not often, but he did.
On October 15 2016 21:48 Inflicted wrote: ex-KT player, close enough
Aren't they all ex-KT players now though?
can we even talk about professional Starcraft now that all Korean leagues have been cancelled?
Now that Koreans and foreigners are on the same level we can't talk about professional Starcraft anymore because foreigners can't be considered pro gamers.
On October 15 2016 21:48 Inflicted wrote: ex-KT player, close enough
Aren't they all ex-KT players now though?
can we even talk about professional Starcraft now that all Korean leagues have been cancelled?
Now that Koreans and foreigners are on the same level we can't talk about professional Starcraft anymore because foreigners can't be considered pro gamers.
someone needs to photoshop Neeb with Kespa Cup trophy on that Sniper christmas card
On October 15 2016 21:48 Inflicted wrote: ex-KT player, close enough
Aren't they all ex-KT players now though?
can we even talk about professional Starcraft now that all Korean leagues have been cancelled?
Now that Koreans and foreigners are on the same level we can't talk about professional Starcraft anymore because foreigners can't be considered pro gamers.
someone needs to photoshop Neeb with Kespa Cup trophy on that Sniper christmas card
On October 15 2016 21:48 Inflicted wrote: ex-KT player, close enough
Aren't they all ex-KT players now though?
can we even talk about professional Starcraft now that all Korean leagues have been cancelled?
Now that Koreans and foreigners are on the same level we can't talk about professional Starcraft anymore because foreigners can't be considered pro gamers.
someone needs to photoshop Neeb with Kespa Cup trophy on that Sniper christmas card
On October 15 2016 22:19 207aicila wrote: iNcontroL likes cheese pizza? Not sure that's something he should publicly admit like that.
I don't get it, what's wrong with cheese pizza?
Look it up on urban dictionary.
That's fucked up. Where is even the connection?
The first letter of each word.
I'm mean yeah I'm not blind I saw that, but it's so random.
Well people used to call it CP at first and then when new people came in asking what CP is they decided to troll them and say it's cheese pizza and that's how it was born.
Hey let me make DTs, not get scouted, proxy 2 gateways, hit my 0.1% chance of still not getting scouted, so that I can use my DTs to run around left and right inside his base without ever hitting anything. Well played.
On October 15 2016 22:30 Jacenoob wrote: Hey let me make DTs, not get scouted, proxy 2 gateways, hit my 0.1% chance of still not getting scouted, so that I can use my DTs to run around left and right inside his base without ever hitting anything. Well played.
Some pro strats right there, watch out on the ladder, now everyone will be doing that.
On October 15 2016 22:51 Aegwynn wrote: Ultras seems very killable without even a single liberator or ghost lol
What you might not have noticed in that one turning point engagement on the ramp was a few mines finishing off low hp ultras before they could be transfused.
On October 15 2016 22:51 ZertoN wrote: how does inno beat solar with ultras on the most zerg favoured map in the pool without ghosts, liberators, just straight up bio mine?
marines do twice the damage to ultralisks if you are an upgrade ahead
On October 15 2016 22:51 ZertoN wrote: how does inno beat solar with ultras on the most zerg favoured map in the pool without ghosts, liberators, just straight up bio mine?
godlike macro and solar's mining never getting out of control
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On October 15 2016 23:13 Shellshock wrote: I think it's kind of funny though that ByuN said Inno is the one player he cant beat but he's 4-0 against him in tournament maps now
and honestly this month's and last month's shoutcraft match-ups have looked ALLL Byun and Inno just trying to keep up
well none of his matchups are terrible but it seems to be where he is losing to the "weakest" players. ByuN has also said in an interview that he considers TvZ his worst matchup atm. it wasnt that long ago he was winning > 90% in it
You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Alarak is op. I dont have him but it seems every time I play with him as a partner it's so boring cause he just solos the mission and I'm just making 15 orbitals as raynor trying to mine the map out
On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Alarak is op. I dont have him but it seems every time I play with him as a partner it's so boring cause he just solos the mission and I'm just making 15 orbitals as raynor trying to mine the map out
Alarak is also the best character in the LotV campaign.
On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Alarak is op. I dont have him but it seems every time I play with him as a partner it's so boring cause he just solos the mission and I'm just making 15 orbitals as raynor trying to mine the map out
Alarak is also the best character in the LotV campaign.
On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Eh, codes? I must've missed something.
Remember to note any amazing games, since we don't have polls being run. This Week In Starcraft always asks for notable matches, and I think it really helps to keep track of 'em.
On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Alarak is op. I dont have him but it seems every time I play with him as a partner it's so boring cause he just solos the mission and I'm just making 15 orbitals as raynor trying to mine the map out
Alarak is also the best character in the LotV campaign.
On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Eh, codes? I must've missed something.
Remember to note any amazing games, since we don't have polls being run. This Week In Starcraft always asks for notable matches, and I think it really helps to keep track of 'em.
I made a poll for the only game worth it.
Poll: Recommend INnoVation vs Solar
★★★★ - Great Game (13)
76%
★★★★★ - Don't miss this (4)
24%
★ - Do not watch no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Watch if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good Game (0)
0%
17 total votes
Your vote: Recommend INnoVation vs Solar
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On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Eh, codes? I must've missed something.
Remember to note any amazing games, since we don't have polls being run. This Week In Starcraft always asks for notable matches, and I think it really helps to keep track of 'em.
TB just announced that if you tweet about shoutcraft using their hashtag, 10 tweeters will be randomly selected to get the new Nova commander this is wrong. it's for the announcer voices
On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Eh, codes? I must've missed something.
Remember to note any amazing games, since we don't have polls being run. This Week In Starcraft always asks for notable matches, and I think it really helps to keep track of 'em.
TB just announced that if you tweet about shoutcraft using their hashtag, 10 tweeters will be randomly selected to get the new Nova commander
It's 5 Nova and 5 Abathur codes and it's the announcers for the next patch, not the commanders, as far as I understood.
On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Eh, codes? I must've missed something.
Remember to note any amazing games, since we don't have polls being run. This Week In Starcraft always asks for notable matches, and I think it really helps to keep track of 'em.
TB just announced that if you tweet about shoutcraft using their hashtag, 10 tweeters will be randomly selected to get the new Nova commander
It's 5 Nova and 5 Abathur codes and it's the announcers for the next patch, not the commanders, as far as I understood.
oh whoops I thought they said it was 10 for the Nova commander code but you're probably right. I dont have the volume very loud
On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Eh, codes? I must've missed something.
Remember to note any amazing games, since we don't have polls being run. This Week In Starcraft always asks for notable matches, and I think it really helps to keep track of 'em.
TB just announced that if you tweet about shoutcraft using their hashtag, 10 tweeters will be randomly selected to get the new Nova commander
It's 5 Nova and 5 Abathur codes and it's the announcers for the next patch, not the commanders, as far as I understood.
On October 15 2016 23:34 Elentos wrote: You know I'd be upset now I don't have twitter so I have no chance to win one of those codes. But the Alarak announcer stole my heart so I don't even care about Nova or Abathur.
Eh, codes? I must've missed something.
Remember to note any amazing games, since we don't have polls being run. This Week In Starcraft always asks for notable matches, and I think it really helps to keep track of 'em.
TB just announced that if you tweet about shoutcraft using their hashtag, 10 tweeters will be randomly selected to get the new Nova commander
It's 5 Nova and 5 Abathur codes and it's the announcers for the next patch, not the commanders, as far as I understood.
Generally speaking I've always enjoyed TB and Incontrol as casters and they make a great casting archon but it's particularly funny to hear them struggle to understand the simple concept of gas first reaper fact into cc before starport :D
You need two refinery to start reaper and factory production instantly when your rax is done, 1scv per gaz : 2 reaper 2 hellion into CC into macro follow up 2scv per gaz : CC slightly delayed compared to the 1scv per gaz but you can afford a high tech choice with it, most likely banshee cloak 3scv per gaz : CC very delayed probably 4+reaper and 4+hellion with either a medic/a liberator or banshee cloak
On October 15 2016 23:46 SKN1995 wrote: Generally speaking I've always enjoyed TB and Incontrol as casters and they make a great casting archon but it's particularly funny to hear them struggle to understand the simple concept of gas first reaper fact into cc before starport :D
Well it's a little understandable since they're not full-time invested into SC2 and iNcontroL plays toss while TB switched to zerg for LotV I think.
On October 15 2016 23:46 SKN1995 wrote: Generally speaking I've always enjoyed TB and Incontrol as casters and they make a great casting archon but it's particularly funny to hear them struggle to understand the simple concept of gas first reaper fact into cc before starport :D
Well it's a little understandable since they're not full-time invested into SC2 and iNcontroL plays toss while TB switched to zerg for LotV I think.
I'm pretty sure he played Protoss after official launch.
On October 15 2016 23:57 geokilla wrote: Mech is so ridiculously strong. If the Seige Tank changes go through, is TvT going to be mech vs mech in the future?
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On October 15 2016 23:57 geokilla wrote: Mech is so ridiculously strong. If the Seige Tank changes go through, is TvT going to be mech vs mech in the future?
we BW now
It's always been this way with SC2.
Blizzard eventually addresses our complaints years later but they do so in such a weird way that it makes us wish we never asked for them to begin with.
On October 16 2016 00:11 Durnuu wrote: herO is just so predictable, its incredible he got ro8 twice in GSL
It's incredible he still gets any wins at all with his PvT style considering what happened to him back in season 1 when he tried these builds against Cure.
On October 16 2016 00:31 Aegwynn wrote: How the map picks work?
The king picks 1 of the available maps. If he wins, he picks the next map, but he has to pick a different one. After the king used all his maps up he can pick repeat maps.
On October 16 2016 00:31 Aegwynn wrote: How the map picks work?
The king picks 1 of the available maps. If he wins, he picks the next map, but he has to pick a different one. After the king used all his maps up he can pick repeat maps.
thanks, i would expect loser to pick map but long living kings are more interesting storyline for the viewers i suppose.
On October 16 2016 00:31 Aegwynn wrote: How the map picks work?
The king picks 1 of the available maps. If he wins, he picks the next map, but he has to pick a different one. After the king used all his maps up he can pick repeat maps.
thanks, i would expect loser to pick map but long living kings are more interesting storyline for the viewers i suppose.
The challenger gets the advantage of knowing who they'll play against, they can lay out a gameplan. The king gets the advantage of map picks to make up for it.
On October 16 2016 00:31 Aegwynn wrote: How the map picks work?
The king picks 1 of the available maps. If he wins, he picks the next map, but he has to pick a different one. After the king used all his maps up he can pick repeat maps.
thanks, i would expect loser to pick map but long living kings are more interesting storyline for the viewers i suppose.
The challenger gets the advantage of knowing who they'll play against, they can lay out a gameplan. The king gets the advantage of map picks to make up for it.
they don't know who the'll be playing against until the previous game has finished
On October 16 2016 00:31 Aegwynn wrote: How the map picks work?
The king picks 1 of the available maps. If he wins, he picks the next map, but he has to pick a different one. After the king used all his maps up he can pick repeat maps.
thanks, i would expect loser to pick map but long living kings are more interesting storyline for the viewers i suppose.
The challenger gets the advantage of knowing who they'll play against, they can lay out a gameplan. The king gets the advantage of map picks to make up for it.
they don't know who the'll be playing against until the previous game has finished
In a game like this you knew 10 minutes ago who'll end up winning.
On October 16 2016 01:02 Charoisaur wrote: forgot zergling speed?
he timed his +1 melee, roach and ling speed nicely only problem that he made so many zerglings earlier for no reason then end up having slowlings wandering around. I liked his build overall
Don't know what Need is expecting with this style. He will just die at some point. He could have killed him easily like 10 minutes ago and just sat on his ass.
On October 16 2016 01:31 CruelZeratul wrote: Don't know what Need is expecting with this style. He will just die at some point. He could have killed him easily like 10 minutes ago and just sat on his ass.
On October 16 2016 01:33 Isualin wrote: What happened to vipers stupid op aoe skill, wouldn't that be effective in that fight? It's not like he was low on money
Others have pointed out that it's way too ineffective and HTs would just snipe them anyway.
On October 16 2016 01:31 CruelZeratul wrote: Don't know what Need is expecting with this style. He will just die at some point. He could have killed him easily like 10 minutes ago and just sat on his ass.
He knows his army is unbeatable and at some point the zerg will suicide into him, which allows great storms .
On October 16 2016 01:33 RaFox17 wrote: Fuck i´m salty.
To be fair, soO was supposed to lose the moment he stopped making units for 3 minutes and then chose to make the exact wrong unit. It's a miracle the game wasn't over right there because Neeb threw away tempests.
On October 16 2016 01:33 RaFox17 wrote: Fuck i´m salty.
To be fair, soO was supposed to lose the moment he stopped making units for 3 minutes and then chose to make the exact wrong unit. It's a miracle the game wasn't over right there because Neeb threw away tempests.
To be fair though, Mutas wouldn't have been the right unit either.
On October 16 2016 01:33 RaFox17 wrote: Fuck i´m salty.
To be fair, soO was supposed to lose the moment he stopped making units for 3 minutes and then chose to make the exact wrong unit. It's a miracle the game wasn't over right there because Neeb threw away tempests.
To be fair though, Mutas wouldn't have been the right unit either.
Well if you're gonna wait that damn long for Toss to max out on tempest + HT while you're still sitting at 150 with ling bling then yeah...
On October 16 2016 01:36 Liquid`Snute wrote: no wonder i play the way i do in zvp
While I believe this game should have ended at like 12-14 minutes and Neeb was ahead by nearly 90 army supply do you feel soO could have won with a different army composition? Like you do for example? Sporewall+Viper+mass queen and infestor?
He got so much time from Neeb to set up something?
On October 16 2016 01:33 RaFox17 wrote: Fuck i´m salty.
To be fair, soO was supposed to lose the moment he stopped making units for 3 minutes and then chose to make the exact wrong unit. It's a miracle the game wasn't over right there because Neeb threw away tempests.
The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
On October 16 2016 01:36 Liquid`Snute wrote: no wonder i play the way i do in zvp
While I believe this game should have ended at like 12-14 minutes and Neeb was ahead by nearly 90 army supply do you feel soO could have won with a different army composition? Like you do for example? Sporewall+Viper+mass queen and infestor?
He got so much time from Neeb to set up something?
That just delays the inevitable by another 20 minutes honestly. With enough tempests and oracle tags Neeb can kill everything for free.
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
On October 16 2016 01:39 AzAlexZ wrote: Reigning KeSPA Cup Champion beats former KeSPA cup champion fun fact, soO and Neeb won only one tournament each, and they both won KeSPA Cup
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
It's not the intention but that amount of adepts can end the game unintentionally.
On October 16 2016 01:36 Liquid`Snute wrote: no wonder i play the way i do in zvp
While I believe this game should have ended at like 12-14 minutes and Neeb was ahead by nearly 90 army supply do you feel soO could have won with a different army composition? Like you do for example? Sporewall+Viper+mass queen and infestor?
He got so much time from Neeb to set up something?
i didn't watch the early game, but it's pretty established that skytoss default-wins from an even position when played properly... sporewall/viper/mass queen is not good either, it just loses over time to well controlled tempest <_> wp by neeb
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
hmm, adept pressure is so common, I don't think the zerg should ever take game-ending damage to it unless it's heavily commited 2 base 8 gate allin.
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
hmm, adept pressure is so common, I don't think the zerg should ever take game-ending damage to it unless it's heavily commited 2 base 8 gate allin.
The scales are really off with adepts against both Z/T. defender has to commit so much more than the attacker. Adepts are simply broken OP unit that should have been nerfed ages ago.
On October 16 2016 01:39 AzAlexZ wrote: Reigning KeSPA Cup Champion beats former KeSPA cup champion fun fact, soO and Neeb won only one tournament each, and they both won KeSPA Cup
To be fair soO has like 4 GSL silvers.
Oh I know, soO is still a god just not so much in LOTV, he'll get his time
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
hmm, adept pressure is so common, I don't think the zerg should ever take game-ending damage to it unless it's heavily commited 2 base 8 gate allin.
The scales are really off with adepts against both Z/T. defender has to commit so much more than the attacker. Adepts are simply broken OP unit that should have been nerfed ages ago.
compared to tempests they look pretty balanced I don't really see a problem with them to be honest, they are good but can be defended. not like tempests where there's nothing you can do..
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
hmm, adept pressure is so common, I don't think the zerg should ever take game-ending damage to it unless it's heavily commited 2 base 8 gate allin.
The scales are really off with adepts against both Z/T. defender has to commit so much more than the attacker. Adepts are simply broken OP unit that should have been nerfed ages ago.
compared to tempests they look pretty balanced I don't really see a problem with them to be honest, they are good but can be defended. not like tempests where there's nothing you can do..
You can kill all the tempests, realize that that doesn't allow you to kill your opponent, and then curse your luck because the Protoss had infinite money and just remade everything while you ran out of money.
On October 16 2016 02:06 Charoisaur wrote: Patience beating the pvp banjwo
It happens. I remember there was a DreamHack or ROG where StarDust beat San 3-0, and then beat two more strong tosses in bo5s, and then lost 0-3 to San in the playoffs.
Obviously in Bo1 it's more likely to happen but yeah.
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
hmm, adept pressure is so common, I don't think the zerg should ever take game-ending damage to it unless it's heavily commited 2 base 8 gate allin.
The scales are really off with adepts against both Z/T. defender has to commit so much more than the attacker. Adepts are simply broken OP unit that should have been nerfed ages ago.
compared to tempests they look pretty balanced I don't really see a problem with them to be honest, they are good but can be defended. not like tempests where there's nothing you can do..
You can kill all the tempests, realize that that doesn't allow you to kill your opponent, and then curse your luck because the Protoss had infinite money and just remade everything while you ran out of money.
That's how it goes for me usually.
How the fuck do you kill the Tempests? For me there's always a horde of Templar/Colossi underneath them and Ghosts/Vikings get crushed utterly by Revelation and Tempest fire..
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
hmm, adept pressure is so common, I don't think the zerg should ever take game-ending damage to it unless it's heavily commited 2 base 8 gate allin.
The scales are really off with adepts against both Z/T. defender has to commit so much more than the attacker. Adepts are simply broken OP unit that should have been nerfed ages ago.
compared to tempests they look pretty balanced I don't really see a problem with them to be honest, they are good but can be defended. not like tempests where there's nothing you can do..
You can kill all the tempests, realize that that doesn't allow you to kill your opponent, and then curse your luck because the Protoss had infinite money and just remade everything while you ran out of money.
That's how it goes for me usually.
How the fuck do you kill the Tempests? For me there's always a horde of Templar/Colossi underneath them and Ghosts/Vikings get crushed utterly by Revelation and Tempest fire..
My opponents suck
The other day I base traded against a Protoss on Frost who got to tempest tech at like 10 minutes despite my best attempts to harass him. I killed all his initial 4 bases and all his tech, then he took a bad engage and lost most of his army. 5 minutes later his army is remaxed and better than mine because he had the money to rebuild everything he lost and more in a different corner of the map.
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
hmm, adept pressure is so common, I don't think the zerg should ever take game-ending damage to it unless it's heavily commited 2 base 8 gate allin.
The scales are really off with adepts against both Z/T. defender has to commit so much more than the attacker. Adepts are simply broken OP unit that should have been nerfed ages ago.
compared to tempests they look pretty balanced I don't really see a problem with them to be honest, they are good but can be defended. not like tempests where there's nothing you can do..
You can kill all the tempests, realize that that doesn't allow you to kill your opponent, and then curse your luck because the Protoss had infinite money and just remade everything while you ran out of money.
That's how it goes for me usually.
How the fuck do you kill the Tempests? For me there's always a horde of Templar/Colossi underneath them and Ghosts/Vikings get crushed utterly by Revelation and Tempest fire..
on dusk towers I once managed to create a stalemate ssituation with 40-50 ravens, ranged libs and vikings and slowly whittled away at his army. my only win vs mass tempests
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
hmm, adept pressure is so common, I don't think the zerg should ever take game-ending damage to it unless it's heavily commited 2 base 8 gate allin.
The scales are really off with adepts against both Z/T. defender has to commit so much more than the attacker. Adepts are simply broken OP unit that should have been nerfed ages ago.
compared to tempests they look pretty balanced I don't really see a problem with them to be honest, they are good but can be defended. not like tempests where there's nothing you can do..
You can kill all the tempests, realize that that doesn't allow you to kill your opponent, and then curse your luck because the Protoss had infinite money and just remade everything while you ran out of money.
That's how it goes for me usually.
How the fuck do you kill the Tempests? For me there's always a horde of Templar/Colossi underneath them and Ghosts/Vikings get crushed utterly by Revelation and Tempest fire..
on dusk towers I once managed to create a stalemate ssituation with 40-50 ravens, ranged libs and vikings and slowly whittled away at his army. my only win vs mass tempests
You can't even try to do that on any of the maps in the current pool. Usually what happens in my games is that either player dies before tempests come out. When tempests come out I only win if they make a huge mistake (like allowing me to get under their tempests with a lot of marines).
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
hmm, adept pressure is so common, I don't think the zerg should ever take game-ending damage to it unless it's heavily commited 2 base 8 gate allin.
The scales are really off with adepts against both Z/T. defender has to commit so much more than the attacker. Adepts are simply broken OP unit that should have been nerfed ages ago.
compared to tempests they look pretty balanced I don't really see a problem with them to be honest, they are good but can be defended. not like tempests where there's nothing you can do..
You can kill all the tempests, realize that that doesn't allow you to kill your opponent, and then curse your luck because the Protoss had infinite money and just remade everything while you ran out of money.
That's how it goes for me usually.
How the fuck do you kill the Tempests? For me there's always a horde of Templar/Colossi underneath them and Ghosts/Vikings get crushed utterly by Revelation and Tempest fire..
My opponents suck
The other day I base traded against a Protoss on Frost who got to tempest tech at like 10 minutes despite my best attempts to harass him. I killed all his initial 4 bases and all his tech, then he took a bad engage and lost most of his army. 5 minutes later his army is remaxed and better than mine because he had the money to rebuild everything he lost and more in a different corner of the map.
haha this happened to me in HotS too. killed everything and thought I had won. (lots of manner mules ) than a mass tempest/carrier army attacked me froma corner of the map (I played mech though)
Actually you might be able to stalemate on New Gettysburg because the only real path across on the north side of the map is pretty narrow. But it's easier for prisms and such to get around on Gettysburg.
On October 16 2016 01:38 RaFox17 wrote: The most idiotic thing is that after protoss goes for a potentially game-ending adept attack and zerg holds it really well the toss player is far ahead. Simply idiotic and imba.
Why did neeb make 2 stargates as the adepts left the base if he intended to end the game?
If the zerg does not defend really well the initial adepts can but you so much behind that you are dead. It reminds me of the blink-stalker era where you could macro back home and just accidentally kill your opponent. For protoss adepts are not a huge investment that can win the game but for zerg they are potential death and almost always put you behind.
hmm, adept pressure is so common, I don't think the zerg should ever take game-ending damage to it unless it's heavily commited 2 base 8 gate allin.
The scales are really off with adepts against both Z/T. defender has to commit so much more than the attacker. Adepts are simply broken OP unit that should have been nerfed ages ago.
compared to tempests they look pretty balanced I don't really see a problem with them to be honest, they are good but can be defended. not like tempests where there's nothing you can do..
You can kill all the tempests, realize that that doesn't allow you to kill your opponent, and then curse your luck because the Protoss had infinite money and just remade everything while you ran out of money.
That's how it goes for me usually.
How the fuck do you kill the Tempests? For me there's always a horde of Templar/Colossi underneath them and Ghosts/Vikings get crushed utterly by Revelation and Tempest fire..
My opponents suck
The other day I base traded against a Protoss on Frost who got to tempest tech at like 10 minutes despite my best attempts to harass him. I killed all his initial 4 bases and all his tech, then he took a bad engage and lost most of his army. 5 minutes later his army is remaxed and better than mine because he had the money to rebuild everything he lost and more in a different corner of the map.
haha this happened to me in HotS too. killed everything and thought I had won. (lots of manner mules ) than a mass tempest/carrier army attacked me froma corner of the map (I played mech though)
And then in my next game I flawlessly defend a DT drop, get a really early 3rd base, kill 30 workers with a drop and lose because I tried to deny his 4th base with a big push.
Given its gone 3 in the morning in Korea I think TB uses the Koreans early on in Shoutcraft for their own benefit. Expect to have Scarlett or similar in the last game
On October 16 2016 20:48 [PkF] Wire wrote: yeah no big streaks this time, makes the format a little less tense
Honestly it was pretty tense. You were constantly wondering when an actual streak would start because TB kept sending out players with the potential to go on big streaks. And as a viewer you kinda want those big streaks. But every time I thought "Okay, this is a player who can really get a good streak going", they lost, even with some upsets.
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