On July 08 2016 18:48 imre wrote: that's such high level play from Stats. The game isn't exciting but god that's impressive.
yeah for connoisseurs that's a joy to watch
it's the kind of game on which you'd do a way better cast if you knew how it played out beforehand. You can't hype it too much but you can share the greatness of every Stats' moves.
On July 08 2016 18:52 Elentos wrote: We have seen Maru do this on this map, and we've seen him lose horribly to Super doing this on this map.
build orders interaction are really dumb in PvT at the moment, there is no way you don't deal damage with a DT drop vs a non tech opening. Blinking dts are really good.
On July 08 2016 19:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'm a true colo fan but after trying to play colo PvT for like 300 lotv games I don't see a single situation where you want a colo instead of a storm
if you're playing TaeJa/Byun i'd rather avoid ghost/ht fights :p
On July 08 2016 19:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'm a true colo fan but after trying to play colo PvT for like 300 lotv games I don't see a single situation where you want a colo instead of a storm
On July 08 2016 19:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'm a true colo fan but after trying to play colo PvT for like 300 lotv games I don't see a single situation where you want a colo instead of a storm
if you're playing TaeJa/Byun i'd rather avoid ghost/ht fights :p
yeah ok but 1/ I won't play TaeJa Byun ever sadly 2/ in the very lategame yeah I would want colo or tempests but to complement storms
On July 08 2016 19:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'm a true colo fan but after trying to play colo PvT for like 300 lotv games I don't see a single situation where you want a colo instead of a storm
I mean you can even skip AoE entirely until you have tempests on Dusk Towers.
On July 08 2016 19:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'm a true colo fan but after trying to play colo PvT for like 300 lotv games I don't see a single situation where you want a colo instead of a storm
if you're playing TaeJa/Byun i'd rather avoid ghost/ht fights :p
yeah ok but 1/ I won't play TaeJa Byun ever sadly 2/ in the very lategame yeah I would want colo or tempests but to complement storms
just try your luck in a random douyu/leifeng cup. 1st turn byun vs wire hype cast.
On July 08 2016 19:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'm a true colo fan but after trying to play colo PvT for like 300 lotv games I don't see a single situation where you want a colo instead of a storm
if you're playing TaeJa/Byun i'd rather avoid ghost/ht fights :p
yeah ok but 1/ I won't play TaeJa Byun ever sadly 2/ in the very lategame yeah I would want colo or tempests but to complement storms
just try your luck in a random douyu/leifeng cup. 1st turn byun vs wire hype cast.
ha ha ha you make me want to do it
I'd love to show the world my awesome lategame void rays transition but I don't think I would ever get that far
On July 08 2016 19:32 Penev wrote: Is Tasteless actually mixing up both hero's?
No, hero has had some huge pause-related issues in the past few months.
You sure you don't mean CJ herO?
HerO wouldn't have played offline since the last GSL. So safe bet it was CJ.
I know I was being don't know the word in English right now
But more inportantly; Did Tasteless actually mix up both hero's? :o
Well, he was saying historically, and I'm not gonna go look through all HerO's games to see if Tasteless might be right.
I remember him being nervous, could be he asked for some pauses but not really out of the ordinairy I feel. But maybe he did twice in a short time and Tasteless is remembering that
by the way I was quite in a hurry to leave during the Stats - Cure game on Dusk Towers, but I think getting vikings vs colo in LotV is a mistake. Maybe it's because I'm quite bad but the T I played against slapped me in the face not by getting vikings but by keeping producing liberators, getting range and (weird as it may sound) getting ghosts. I think that's why Cure should have tried to go for -and he shouldn't have recklessly lost all his liberators at Stats' 4th.
On July 08 2016 20:32 [PkF] Wire wrote: by the way I was quite in a hurry to leave during the Stats - Cure game on Dusk Towers, but I think getting vikings vs colo in LotV is a mistake. Maybe it's because I'm quite bad but the T I played against slapped me in the face not by getting vikings but by keeping producing liberators, getting range and (weird as it may sound) getting ghosts. I think that's why Cure should have tried to go for -and he shouldn't have recklessly lost all his liberators at Stats' 4th.
Vikings are fine, watch TY vs Dear in Proleague from this round.
On July 08 2016 20:32 [PkF] Wire wrote: by the way I was quite in a hurry to leave during the Stats - Cure game on Dusk Towers, but I think getting vikings vs colo in LotV is a mistake. Maybe it's because I'm quite bad but the T I played against slapped me in the face not by getting vikings but by keeping producing liberators, getting range and (weird as it may sound) getting ghosts. I think that's why Cure should have tried to go for -and he shouldn't have recklessly lost all his liberators at Stats' 4th.
Vikings are fine, watch TY vs Dear in Proleague from this round.
On July 08 2016 20:18 Penev wrote: Ej_ - MiniFotToss FIGHT
nah don't have the time, too busy to argue with delusional, childish fanboys.
lol
i wasn;t referring to you, in case you were wondering
I'm guessing he was laughing at the irony of your statement.
i'm not delusional i don't really mind if SKT loses, no team wins forever lol
If? They 1-3 this round yo.
they had a bad round lol. Almost every team has a bad round except for Jin Air who is always getting 2nd places (hences kong wings), so i don;t know what your point is.
Edit: like I said, I don;t mind, in the end, SKT will will always bounce back, that's what they do best, be at the top, fall off, then make it right back to the top
On July 08 2016 20:32 [PkF] Wire wrote: by the way I was quite in a hurry to leave during the Stats - Cure game on Dusk Towers, but I think getting vikings vs colo in LotV is a mistake. Maybe it's because I'm quite bad but the T I played against slapped me in the face not by getting vikings but by keeping producing liberators, getting range and (weird as it may sound) getting ghosts. I think that's why Cure should have tried to go for -and he shouldn't have recklessly lost all his liberators at Stats' 4th.
Vikings are fine, watch TY vs Dear in Proleague from this round.
On July 08 2016 20:32 [PkF] Wire wrote: by the way I was quite in a hurry to leave during the Stats - Cure game on Dusk Towers, but I think getting vikings vs colo in LotV is a mistake. Maybe it's because I'm quite bad but the T I played against slapped me in the face not by getting vikings but by keeping producing liberators, getting range and (weird as it may sound) getting ghosts. I think that's why Cure should have tried to go for -and he shouldn't have recklessly lost all his liberators at Stats' 4th.
Vikings are fine, watch TY vs Dear in Proleague from this round.
browsed quickly through the game, and I think the biggest difference is TY did get ghosts. I think you should get ghosts vs colossi even if they don't go storm. But yeah the 10 vikings made the colo look silly, I guess Stats just played too good tempo wise.
On July 08 2016 20:54 Phredxor wrote: 0-4 as expected. Retirement time?
Nah, this is where HerO has always been. A solid player at the edges of Code S because he can't overcome his own nerves in studio play. Depending on his career goals, he could make a decent living as a practice partner or Kespa B-teamer and making the occasional Code S appearance.
On July 08 2016 20:54 Phredxor wrote: 0-4 as expected. Retirement time?
Nah, this is where HerO has always been. A solid player at the edges of Code S because he can't overcome his own nerves in studio play. Depending on his career goals, he could make a decent living as a practice partner or Kespa B-teamer and making the occasional Code S appearance.
That's a silly thing to say about a player that's won 5 Premier titles.
On July 08 2016 20:54 Phredxor wrote: 0-4 as expected. Retirement time?
Nah, this is where HerO has always been. A solid player at the edges of Code S because he can't overcome his own nerves in studio play. Depending on his career goals, he could make a decent living as a practice partner or Kespa B-teamer and making the occasional Code S appearance.
That's a silly thing to say about a player that's won 5 Premier titles.
I do wonder what's next for him now though.
More silly than speculating retirement for a Code S player?
On July 08 2016 20:54 Phredxor wrote: 0-4 as expected. Retirement time?
Nah, this is where HerO has always been. A solid player at the edges of Code S because he can't overcome his own nerves in studio play. Depending on his career goals, he could make a decent living as a practice partner or Kespa B-teamer and making the occasional Code S appearance.
That's a silly thing to say about a player that's won 5 Premier titles.
I do wonder what's next for him now though.
More silly than speculating retirement for a Code S player?
A player who just dropped out of Code S and has nothing to play in for the rest of the year*
On July 08 2016 20:54 Phredxor wrote: 0-4 as expected. Retirement time?
Nah, this is where HerO has always been. A solid player at the edges of Code S because he can't overcome his own nerves in studio play. Depending on his career goals, he could make a decent living as a practice partner or Kespa B-teamer and making the occasional Code S appearance.
That's a silly thing to say about a player that's won 5 Premier titles.
I do wonder what's next for him now though.
More silly than speculating retirement for a Code S player?
A lot more silly, especially considering that HerO was pondering retirement not too long ago already.
On July 08 2016 20:54 Phredxor wrote: 0-4 as expected. Retirement time?
Nah, this is where HerO has always been. A solid player at the edges of Code S because he can't overcome his own nerves in studio play. Depending on his career goals, he could make a decent living as a practice partner or Kespa B-teamer and making the occasional Code S appearance.
That's a silly thing to say about a player that's won 5 Premier titles.
I do wonder what's next for him now though.
More silly than speculating retirement for a Code S player?
Like I said, he has nothing to for 6 months, he is in awful form and was lucky to even make it into Code S. He barely beat Pet. Pet.
On July 08 2016 20:54 Phredxor wrote: 0-4 as expected. Retirement time?
Nah, this is where HerO has always been. A solid player at the edges of Code S because he can't overcome his own nerves in studio play. Depending on his career goals, he could make a decent living as a practice partner or Kespa B-teamer and making the occasional Code S appearance.
That's a silly thing to say about a player that's won 5 Premier titles.
I do wonder what's next for him now though.
More silly than speculating retirement for a Code S player?
Like I said, he has nothing to for 6 months, he is in awful form and was lucky to even make it into Code S. He barely beat Pet. Pet.
That just reminded me of Pet vs Stats from Proleague...
On July 08 2016 21:06 Charoisaur wrote: orbital finishes before nexus started. NERF CHRONOBOOST
Protoss should be able to use chrono to build buildings faster. I think it would add some nice strategic diversity and force more choices of what to use it on.
On July 08 2016 20:54 Phredxor wrote: 0-4 as expected. Retirement time?
Nah, this is where HerO has always been. A solid player at the edges of Code S because he can't overcome his own nerves in studio play. Depending on his career goals, he could make a decent living as a practice partner or Kespa B-teamer and making the occasional Code S appearance.
That's a silly thing to say about a player that's won 5 Premier titles.
I do wonder what's next for him now though.
More silly than speculating retirement for a Code S player?
Like I said, he has nothing to for 6 months, he is in awful form and was lucky to even make it into Code S. He barely beat Pet. Pet.
I still hope he gets picked up, even Pet is in a PL team
But this showing obv wasn't the best advertisement
On July 08 2016 20:54 Phredxor wrote: 0-4 as expected. Retirement time?
Nah, this is where HerO has always been. A solid player at the edges of Code S because he can't overcome his own nerves in studio play. Depending on his career goals, he could make a decent living as a practice partner or Kespa B-teamer and making the occasional Code S appearance.
That's a silly thing to say about a player that's won 5 Premier titles.
I do wonder what's next for him now though.
More silly than speculating retirement for a Code S player?
Like I said, he has nothing to for 6 months, he is in awful form and was lucky to even make it into Code S. He barely beat Pet. Pet.
That just reminded me of Pet vs Stats from Proleague...
On July 08 2016 20:54 Phredxor wrote: 0-4 as expected. Retirement time?
Nah, this is where HerO has always been. A solid player at the edges of Code S because he can't overcome his own nerves in studio play. Depending on his career goals, he could make a decent living as a practice partner or Kespa B-teamer and making the occasional Code S appearance.
That's a silly thing to say about a player that's won 5 Premier titles.
I do wonder what's next for him now though.
More silly than speculating retirement for a Code S player?
Like I said, he has nothing to for 6 months, he is in awful form and was lucky to even make it into Code S. He barely beat Pet. Pet.
I still hope he gets picked up, even Pet is in a PL team
But this showing obv wasn't the best advertisement
The thing is that no PL team has a reason to pick up new players atm.
On July 08 2016 21:09 Charoisaur wrote: terrible control. that should have ended the game
he was in such a good position I don't understand ? I even think he didn't have vision when he blinked and ended up not being able to snipe the libs, otherwise I don't get it.
On July 08 2016 21:09 Charoisaur wrote: terrible control. that should have ended the game
he was in such a good position I don't understand ? I even think he didn't have vision when he blinked and ended up not being able to snipe the libs, otherwise I don't get it.
On July 08 2016 21:09 Charoisaur wrote: terrible control. that should have ended the game
he was in such a good position I don't understand ? I even think he didn't have vision when he blinked and ended up not being able to snipe the libs, otherwise I don't get it.
On July 08 2016 21:30 Penev wrote: Maru is a certainty in that group (like Stats ) but those Zergs don't look that good so who knows, if Taeja really practiced..
if the last match ends up being TaeJa vs soO (it's quite possible) I'll be soooooo torn.
On July 08 2016 21:33 Elentos wrote: Clearly all this is leading up to RagnaroK advancing from that group.
Next group though, we'll finally see if the Zerg patch was enough to make Losira the bonjwa we need.
you want the answer before the group is played ? + Show Spoiler +
No
Hey he got map wins against Super, Maru and Zest in SSL pre-patch. With the patch he can only have improved.
Right? Right?
I think he has a bit of a chance to get out of the group tbh. Which I wouldn't have said 2 months ago.
oh I definitely think he has a chance. In fact everyone even Seed will have a legit shot. It's a very open group.
But Losira isn't becoming the new Life because his queens hit air a bit further
He better not become Life. But who knows what he'll become?
Honestly Seed is probably bottom 3 Code S, right down there with HerO. He was lucky he got a rather weak opponent in Code A. If he advances over ByuN or Classic I'm not sure what to say, and even him placing ahead of Losira would be weird.
On July 08 2016 21:33 Elentos wrote: Clearly all this is leading up to RagnaroK advancing from that group.
Next group though, we'll finally see if the Zerg patch was enough to make Losira the bonjwa we need.
you want the answer before the group is played ? + Show Spoiler +
No
Hey he got map wins against Super, Maru and Zest in SSL pre-patch. With the patch he can only have improved.
Right? Right?
I think he has a bit of a chance to get out of the group tbh. Which I wouldn't have said 2 months ago.
oh I definitely think he has a chance. In fact everyone even Seed will have a legit shot. It's a very open group.
But Losira isn't becoming the new Life because his queens hit air a bit further
He better not become Life. But who knows what he'll become?
Honestly Seed is probably bottom 3 Code S. He was lucky he got a rather weak opponent in Code A. If he advances over ByuN or Classic I'm not sure what to say, and even him placing ahead of Losira would be weird.
If I had to bet I'd go for a safe Classic ByuN in whatever order. But I wouldn't be surprised to see upsets. Btw you really think Seed is bottom 3 skill wise ? I wouldn't even say the guy he beat in code A (Sorry) was that weak.
On July 08 2016 21:33 Elentos wrote: Clearly all this is leading up to RagnaroK advancing from that group.
Next group though, we'll finally see if the Zerg patch was enough to make Losira the bonjwa we need.
you want the answer before the group is played ? + Show Spoiler +
No
Hey he got map wins against Super, Maru and Zest in SSL pre-patch. With the patch he can only have improved.
Right? Right?
I think he has a bit of a chance to get out of the group tbh. Which I wouldn't have said 2 months ago.
oh I definitely think he has a chance. In fact everyone even Seed will have a legit shot. It's a very open group.
But Losira isn't becoming the new Life because his queens hit air a bit further
He better not become Life. But who knows what he'll become?
Honestly Seed is probably bottom 3 Code S. He was lucky he got a rather weak opponent in Code A. If he advances over ByuN or Classic I'm not sure what to say, and even him placing ahead of Losira would be weird.
If I had to bet I'd go for a safe Classic ByuN in whatever order. But I wouldn't be surprised to see upsets. Btw you really think Seed is bottom 3 skill wise ? I wouldn't even say the guy he beat in code A (Sorry) was that weak.
Yes, I don't think there are 3 worse players than Seed in Code S.
On July 08 2016 21:33 Elentos wrote: Clearly all this is leading up to RagnaroK advancing from that group.
Next group though, we'll finally see if the Zerg patch was enough to make Losira the bonjwa we need.
you want the answer before the group is played ? + Show Spoiler +
No
Hey he got map wins against Super, Maru and Zest in SSL pre-patch. With the patch he can only have improved.
Right? Right?
I think he has a bit of a chance to get out of the group tbh. Which I wouldn't have said 2 months ago.
oh I definitely think he has a chance. In fact everyone even Seed will have a legit shot. It's a very open group.
But Losira isn't becoming the new Life because his queens hit air a bit further
He better not become Life. But who knows what he'll become?
Honestly Seed is probably bottom 3 Code S. He was lucky he got a rather weak opponent in Code A. If he advances over ByuN or Classic I'm not sure what to say, and even him placing ahead of Losira would be weird.
If I had to bet I'd go for a safe Classic ByuN in whatever order. But I wouldn't be surprised to see upsets. Btw you really think Seed is bottom 3 skill wise ? I wouldn't even say the guy he beat in code A (Sorry) was that weak.
Yes, I don't think there are 3 worse players than Seed in Code S.
well I was browsing through the list and you're probably right actually.
But imo that's not as much saying Seed is bad than saying that the overall level of those 32 players is rather incredible.
On July 08 2016 21:33 Elentos wrote: Clearly all this is leading up to RagnaroK advancing from that group.
Next group though, we'll finally see if the Zerg patch was enough to make Losira the bonjwa we need.
you want the answer before the group is played ? + Show Spoiler +
No
Hey he got map wins against Super, Maru and Zest in SSL pre-patch. With the patch he can only have improved.
Right? Right?
I think he has a bit of a chance to get out of the group tbh. Which I wouldn't have said 2 months ago.
oh I definitely think he has a chance. In fact everyone even Seed will have a legit shot. It's a very open group.
But Losira isn't becoming the new Life because his queens hit air a bit further
He better not become Life. But who knows what he'll become?
Honestly Seed is probably bottom 3 Code S. He was lucky he got a rather weak opponent in Code A. If he advances over ByuN or Classic I'm not sure what to say, and even him placing ahead of Losira would be weird.
If I had to bet I'd go for a safe Classic ByuN in whatever order. But I wouldn't be surprised to see upsets. Btw you really think Seed is bottom 3 skill wise ? I wouldn't even say the guy he beat in code A (Sorry) was that weak.
Yes, I don't think there are 3 worse players than Seed in Code S.
well I was browsing through the list and you're probably right actually.
But imo that's not as much saying Seed is bad than saying that the overall level of those 32 players is rather incredible.
Right, in itself that wouldn't say much. But we lost multiple players better than Seed in Code A and his match against Sorry wasn't exactly high level. His Proleague play also is less than impressive.
Would be quite the upset if he produces any meaningful result. Although his record vZ isn't that bad.
On July 08 2016 21:33 Elentos wrote: Clearly all this is leading up to RagnaroK advancing from that group.
Next group though, we'll finally see if the Zerg patch was enough to make Losira the bonjwa we need.
you want the answer before the group is played ? + Show Spoiler +
No
Hey he got map wins against Super, Maru and Zest in SSL pre-patch. With the patch he can only have improved.
Right? Right?
I think he has a bit of a chance to get out of the group tbh. Which I wouldn't have said 2 months ago.
oh I definitely think he has a chance. In fact everyone even Seed will have a legit shot. It's a very open group.
But Losira isn't becoming the new Life because his queens hit air a bit further
He better not become Life. But who knows what he'll become?
Honestly Seed is probably bottom 3 Code S. He was lucky he got a rather weak opponent in Code A. If he advances over ByuN or Classic I'm not sure what to say, and even him placing ahead of Losira would be weird.
If I had to bet I'd go for a safe Classic ByuN in whatever order. But I wouldn't be surprised to see upsets. Btw you really think Seed is bottom 3 skill wise ? I wouldn't even say the guy he beat in code A (Sorry) was that weak.
Yes, I don't think there are 3 worse players than Seed in Code S.
well I was browsing through the list and you're probably right actually.
But imo that's not as much saying Seed is bad than saying that the overall level of those 32 players is rather incredible.
Right, in itself that wouldn't say much. But we lost multiple players better than Seed in Code A and his match against Sorry wasn't exactly high level. His Proleague play also is less than impressive.
Would be quite the upset if he produces any meaningful result. Although his record vZ isn't that bad.
oh this is definitely right. I still can't believe Dark vs INno happened at the same stage of the competition than Pet vs HerO.
On July 08 2016 21:33 Elentos wrote: Clearly all this is leading up to RagnaroK advancing from that group.
Next group though, we'll finally see if the Zerg patch was enough to make Losira the bonjwa we need.
you want the answer before the group is played ? + Show Spoiler +
No
Hey he got map wins against Super, Maru and Zest in SSL pre-patch. With the patch he can only have improved.
Right? Right?
I think he has a bit of a chance to get out of the group tbh. Which I wouldn't have said 2 months ago.
oh I definitely think he has a chance. In fact everyone even Seed will have a legit shot. It's a very open group.
But Losira isn't becoming the new Life because his queens hit air a bit further
He better not become Life. But who knows what he'll become?
Honestly Seed is probably bottom 3 Code S. He was lucky he got a rather weak opponent in Code A. If he advances over ByuN or Classic I'm not sure what to say, and even him placing ahead of Losira would be weird.
If I had to bet I'd go for a safe Classic ByuN in whatever order. But I wouldn't be surprised to see upsets. Btw you really think Seed is bottom 3 skill wise ? I wouldn't even say the guy he beat in code A (Sorry) was that weak.
Yes, I don't think there are 3 worse players than Seed in Code S.
well I was browsing through the list and you're probably right actually.
But imo that's not as much saying Seed is bad than saying that the overall level of those 32 players is rather incredible.
Right, in itself that wouldn't say much. But we lost multiple players better than Seed in Code A and his match against Sorry wasn't exactly high level. His Proleague play also is less than impressive.
Would be quite the upset if he produces any meaningful result. Although his record vZ isn't that bad.
oh this is definitely right. I still can't believe Dark vs INno happened at the same stage of the competition than Pet vs HerO.
Yeah, Trap, INnoVation and Reality specifically got super boned with their Code A opponents.
On July 08 2016 23:15 Shellshock wrote: so I got Myungsik right but stats didn't make it wtf
I think we're all baffled Stats didn't make it
the power of the reverse 2-0
Yeah, I love Cure, but... no Stats?!?! I feel like we've had an almost endless list of protoss champions who've fallen off soon after their big win, but for some reason I feel like Stats should have some staying power. And yet, here we are.
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