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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:18 Shellshock wrote: SouL is no Byun at Frozen Temple reapers Guru is simply on another level. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: i'm happy she won but now they won't buff zerg after that win  nah the slight early game buff will happen (see community update) | ||
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deus.machinarum
Austria658 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:18 Alchemik wrote: okay, I've witnessed the glorious victory of the best KR Zerg in the tournament, so I can go to sleep wish me luck on my exam tomorrow guys Good luck bro, from a fellow student! | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: i'm happy she won but now they won't buff zerg after that win Nah, I'm sure Blizz knows foreign T's suck | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
to be perfectly honest outside Dark Korean Z suck too relatively to their T/P counterparts | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:21 Solar424 wrote: 10 viewers. SC2 is deader than anyone thought. 10 Viewers 8000 chatters Starcraft is just about memes now | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
is Guru the Z Has ? That mad scientist that you can lose against but never really figure out why ? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: 10 Viewers 8000 chatters Starcraft is just about memes now Then why the fuck does no one know/care about sc2? | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote: to be perfectly honest outside Dark Korean Z suck too relatively to their T/P counterparts That is not how it works Wire, why would Korean Zergs suddenly all suck? Foreign Terrans always did, they're not fast enough for bio play | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote: to be perfectly honest outside Dark Korean Z suck too relatively to their T/P counterparts That doesn't matter. Even if you could quantify absolute skill which you absolutely cannot, Blizzard should still strive for relative balance. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote: That doesn't matter. Even if you could quantify absolute skill which you absolutely cannot, Blizzard should still strive for relative balance. Polt was talking about it yesterday. Let's imagine I'm right and Dark is the only Z to be top 20 KR raw skill wise. If you strive for relative balance so that soO/Curious/Rogue/ByuL enter that top 20 and Z was actually fine you end up making Z imbalanced. But as I said I agree Z slight early game buffs are needed, and they're going to happen, so I don't even know why we're arguing here. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:31 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Scarlett cheers are real like 15 minutes after she won lol They are when she walks out so that she hears them. And also a couple of minutes before, but the crowd mic is not mixed into the stream for clarity, I'd guess. Btw. the production value is unbelievable, there are guys walking around with pro-level cameras, many of them and the whole staff is huge, with several studios full of people. This must cost an unbelievable shitload of money, but the quality of the stream corresponds to the effort. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:33 [PkF] Wire wrote: Polt was talking about it yesterday. Let's imagine I'm right and Dark is the only Z to be top 20 KR raw skill wise. If you strive for relative balance so that soO/Curious/Rogue/ByuL enter that top 20 and Z was actually fine you end up making Z imbalanced. But as I said I agree Z slight early game buffs are needed, and they're going to happen, so I don't even know why we're arguing here. That's not what balance is. Being balanced and being "fair" is correlated, but it isn't the same thing. And for tournaments' sake Blizzard needs balance, but does not necessarily need "fairness". When you have balance, fairness is usually self-correcting. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:25 Penev wrote: That is not how it works Wire, why would Korean Zergs suddenly all suck? Foreign Terrans always did, they're not fast enough for bio play honestly can't you, for all of ByuL/soO/Curious/Rogue/Leenock/Losira (not even mentioning Life...), point out at least one very good reason why they're not doing so well right now that is not balance related ? If a player has 1/3 chance of being any given race, the absolute top (let's say the top 20) has 0 reason to be racially balanced. It's too small a sample. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: That's not what balance is. Being balanced and being "fair" is correlated, but it isn't the same thing. And for tournaments' sake Blizzard needs balance, but does not necessarily need "fairness". When you have balance, fairness is usually self-correcting. I disagree. Racial balance is irrelevant as long as the game is fair. Let's say SC2 was tennis and every player picked a race. Maybe Federer, Djokovic and Nadal all pick T, maybe we have T-P-Z. But in one case T wins everything and in the other it's kinda balanced, while the game remains fair. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 25 2016 06:38 [PkF] Wire wrote: I disagree. Racial balance is irrelevant as long as the game is fair. Let's say SC2 was tennis and every player picked a race. Maybe Federer, Djokovic and Nadal all pick T, maybe we have T-P-Z. But in one case T wins everything and in the other it's kinda balanced, while the game remains fair. Fairness is un-quantifiable. Using that sort of logic, you can argue that any imbalance is "fair". | ||
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