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Poll: Winner?SKT T1 (8) 57% KT Rolster (6) 43% 14 total votes Your vote: Winner? (Vote): SKT T1
(Vote): KT Rolster
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you can't spell SKT without KT
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ok, could someone explain what the first ad was suppose to sell. Band-Aid?
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Classic kicking off El Clásico, how appropriate.
KT 3-1
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SKT 3-1 or KT 3-2 if INnoVation chokes
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Poll: Best KT?SKT (7) 54% Zest (6) 46% KT (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Best KT? (Vote): KT
(Vote): SKT
(Vote): Zest
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why are they talking about JA?
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On April 18 2016 18:04 Noonius wrote:
why are they talking about JA?
Because that's the team that really matters, not these phony scrubs
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On April 18 2016 18:04 Noonius wrote:
why are they talking about JA?
Because apparently that's the team you have to talk about during Telecom Wars.
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On April 18 2016 18:03 Elentos wrote:Poll: Best KT?SKT (7) 54% Zest (6) 46% KT (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Best KT? (Vote): KT
(Vote): SKT
(Vote): Zest
with some prep Zest could all-kill entire KT roster
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On April 18 2016 18:04 Noonius wrote:
why are they talking about JA?
Because they are JA haters ?
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On April 18 2016 18:02 Noonius wrote:
no Valdes?
He's in orbit:
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On April 18 2016 18:05 opisska wrote:Because that's the team that really matters, not these phony scrubs
hehe :D yeehh!
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On April 18 2016 18:06 rotta wrote:He's in orbit:
Thank TY....
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I remember after week 1 all casters were at like 70% prediction rate.
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I think KT can pull off the win here
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I feel like they're forgetting that MyuNgSiK joined SKT.
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4 adepts, passing in the mist
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He made the oracle, cancelled it and then started it again.
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That's a quick third damn
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Double oracle into 3rd.
Wtf.
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Zest should know he has a huge timing window here
Oh he decided to mark a stargate instead well i'll be xd
2nd immortal comes out he should have justs a moved across map and won.
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Classic is quite ahead in terms of economy
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Poll: Recommend Zest vs ClassicGood Game (12) 75% Excellent Game (2) 13% Meh Game (2) 13% Bad Game (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend Zest vs Classic (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
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Archon tanks against immortal like a god.
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Wow, that's what I call a great comeback to Proleague!
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Absolutely terrible from Zest there, what on earth xd
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well, that was unexpected
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Mass Immortal turns out to be not so great agains Archons ...
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best protoss in the world - artosis
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I smell cheese in next game.
Just like how other team handle Life in pro league, cheese every gem.
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On April 18 2016 18:19 Pandemona wrote:
Absolutely terrible from Zest there, what on earth xd
Somehow PvP has become his derpiest matchup in LotV.
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On April 18 2016 18:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 18:19 Pandemona wrote:
Absolutely terrible from Zest there, what on earth xd Somehow PvP has become his derpiest matchup in LotV.
I have a feeling like it is somehow connected with introduction of aderpts
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Zest floats a lot of money
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What GSL was Wolf watching where TY had to prepare for Zerg specifically?
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On April 18 2016 18:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 18:19 Pandemona wrote:
Absolutely terrible from Zest there, what on earth xd Somehow PvP has become his derpiest matchup in LotV.
His opening was great, stops early oracle and has good units. How he didn't know he was miles ahead in terms of army supply i don't know. If he attacks after making a 2nd immortal after pushing away the oracle and couple of adept's he would have crushed Classic. But he thought oh shit air toss, better throw down 2 stargates and be behind?? lol strange. However that is my n00b view and i am no good at PvP at all. Maybe Oli can enlighten me if he is around.
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On April 18 2016 18:22 sparklyresidue wrote:
Zest floats a lot of money
It's one of the trademarks of his play. Of course, most of the time, despite floating a lot of money he still has enough units.
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On April 18 2016 18:19 RichardNPL wrote:
best protoss in the world - artosis
Artosis curse strikes back hard!!
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Did they both completely misread what their opponent was doing? 
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The famous 1 ravager opening
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Now we have bane/zerg/ravageer.Meta in korea evolves faster than zerg....
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The agressive 4th position nicely backfired on TY
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trump would not approve of that wall
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TY very good at positioning his army, guess that comes from being good at brood war.
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On April 18 2016 18:36 Scarlett` wrote:
trump would not approve of that wall
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Losing the game because of an incomplete wall...
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Poll: Recommend TY vs DarkExcellent Game (17) 74% Bad Game (4) 17% Good Game (2) 9% Meh Game (0) 0% 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Dark (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
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Classic too good, Dark too good, SKT too good
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not a single mine? tanks are just too bad in low numbers on this map, it is way too open.
if ty had put the same ressources into mines which he put into tanks, he would have won.
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Who really needs hive units, right? And who needs mutas for harrass if you have lings ... The Dark style really turns the tide in the matchup.
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I can only get so erect Dark, please stop playing so beautifully.
Actually please don't stop, this was great!
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On April 18 2016 18:39 graNite wrote:
not a single mine? tanks are just too bad in low numbers on this map, it is way too open.
if ty had put the same ressources into mines which he put into tanks, he would have won.
Thors would have been good too
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Really good game, wow. I'd watch those 2 any time
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On April 18 2016 18:39 graNite wrote:
not a single mine? tanks are just too bad in low numbers on this map, it is way too open.
if ty had put the same ressources into mines which he put into tanks, he would have won.
Isnt tanks the counter to the corruptor style though? No mutas to pick them off and corruptors can also tank mine hits
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On April 18 2016 18:39 Charoisaur wrote:
Losing the game because of an incomplete wall...
Mexicans probably wrote a bad check that bounced
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That advert about Paldo sauce thing. That looks very sickly to me, is it soy based or what?
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On April 18 2016 18:39 Pandemona wrote:Poll: Recommend TY vs DarkExcellent Game (17) 74% Bad Game (4) 17% Good Game (2) 9% Meh Game (0) 0% 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Dark (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
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(Vote): Bad Game
how can people say that is was an excellent game? I'm sensing clear bias
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Gotta love ProLeague for no bullshit extended breaks and downtime
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Pretty cool style from both players that game, but honestly I feel like TY couldve used widow mines rather than tanks. And I'm pretty sad that he doesn't put bunkers near his mineral lines like he does in TvP.
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Stats looks 5 years younger with the bangs
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Inno cut his hair or something? He looks different
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The amount of top level players in those two teams is disgusting
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On April 18 2016 18:40 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 18:39 graNite wrote:
not a single mine? tanks are just too bad in low numbers on this map, it is way too open.
if ty had put the same ressources into mines which he put into tanks, he would have won. Isnt tanks the counter to the corruptor style though? No mutas to pick them off and corruptors can also tank mine hits
Yeah, tanks are one of the better ways to counter the corruptor style. Of course, generally you'd make marauders at some point. What really cost TY was that incomplete wall/lack of defense. Also he might have straight up killed Dark if his first push didn't get surrounded. His splits later on were quite on point and the tank hits were good.
Since Zest lost this is over anyway.
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Not impressed by Ty's gameplan at all. Despite the nonsense caster hype, that was an anti-timing. He was timing attacking before hive even was researched. With Marine/tank vs Bling, you scale better and you wait for a (commited) attack for as long as possible.
Then the turret push makes no sense vs Corrupters because he was obviously gonna lose the ground battle when Zerg don't invest into Mutalisk. Then he opted (or misclicked) to not kite backwards put pick up marines as Dark was attacking his 4th and had to cancel it.
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"Oh no, he saw all the standard tech choices we see in every PvT!"
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what a zest-like build from stats
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On April 18 2016 18:50 Elentos wrote:
"Oh no, he saw all the standard tech choices we see in every PvT!"
don't be salty man, it doesn't help
it helps Innovation btw
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On April 18 2016 18:50 Elentos wrote:
"Oh no, he saw all the standard tech choices we see in every PvT!"
to be fair, that's also important to see.
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Wolf no, Innovation knows this is not 2 base pressure.
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On April 18 2016 18:51 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 18:50 Elentos wrote:
"Oh no, he saw all the standard tech choices we see in every PvT!"
to be fair, that's also important to see.
Sure, but it's not like it breaks any Protoss player's game plan if their robo and twilight get scouted.
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That was the little marine who could.
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Pylon scariest unit in the gaem
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this is exactly how my tvps go... you cant kill protoss early, they tech up and expand while pressuring and you are behind by default...
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1 MSC scaring away 4 full medivacs...
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these storms give me flashbacks
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On April 18 2016 18:56 Noonius wrote:
these storms give me flashbacks
PTSD! haha
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Terran literrally has no period in the game where they have a stronger army.
User was warned for this post
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Tvp looks like a freeby for toss
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On April 18 2016 18:57 Hider wrote:
Terran literrally has no period in the game where they have a stronger army.
only the early game where stats is safe with one adept and one msc against 17 marines...
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Poll: Recommend Stats vs InnovationBad Game (7) 44% Excellent Game (3) 19% Good Game (3) 19% Meh Game (3) 19% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend Stats vs Innovation (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
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After Inno got completely crushed by Super last week I really favored Stats here. But soO should close it out.
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MSC defended pretty much everything.
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Inno made 14 medivacs and 0 liberators. I don't think that works against a player of Stats's caliber.
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3 rax opening seems really bad because there is no way to pressure the protoss in the first 10-15 minutes of the game while protoss can do whatever he wants
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On April 18 2016 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
3 rax opening seems really bad because there is no way to pressure the protoss in the first 10-15 minutes of the game while protoss can do whatever he wants
It only can punish protoss if he goes super fast third.But with 2 bases timing into 3rd,you only can defend.
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lol Life "disappeared"
Wolf pls
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On April 18 2016 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
3 rax opening seems really bad because there is no way to pressure the protoss in the first 10-15 minutes of the game while protoss can do whatever he wants
Yeah I don't think 3-rax does anything in LotV.
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On April 18 2016 19:02 ilikeredheads wrote:
lol Life "disappeared"
Wolf pls
that's just him being PC
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Defending 4 full medivacs with only supply structures is what's wrong with the game.
User was warned for this post
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Wolf just said Armani is retired even though he plays a match in Proleague this week. 10/10 preparation.
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On April 18 2016 18:58 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 18:57 Hider wrote:
Terran literrally has no period in the game where they have a stronger army. only the early game where stats is safe with one adept and one msc against 17 marines...
Well, no period where they have the stronger army and can "do something". Toss has so many periods throughout the game where they can "test the terrans defenses".
And if terran survives, he is still at a disadvantage late game as Tempest/HT beats anything terran has.
The only timing you could argue they have is if they can get lots of liberators + ghosts out before Tempests are out which really shouldn't happen unless the toss fucks up.
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On April 18 2016 19:02 Noonius wrote:that's just him being PC
He just said Armani is retired... I guess the Zerg playing for Samsung tomorrow is Roro.
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On April 18 2016 19:02 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
3 rax opening seems really bad because there is no way to pressure the protoss in the first 10-15 minutes of the game while protoss can do whatever he wants It only can punish protoss if he goes super fast third.But with 2 bases timing into 3rd,you only can defend.
How that? Protoss can defend everything with supply structures
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On April 18 2016 19:03 Elentos wrote:
Wolf just said Armani is retired even though he plays a match in Proleague this week. 10/10 preparation.
I miss Valdes
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On April 18 2016 19:03 Colouss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 19:02 Noonius wrote:On April 18 2016 19:02 ilikeredheads wrote:
lol Life "disappeared"
Wolf pls that's just him being PC He just said Armani is retired... I guess the Zerg playing for Samsung tomorrow is Roro.
I want to see this so bad. I loved RorO.
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Can we please stop whining about Protoss now?
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how is it decided which players are facing each other? couldn't find anything.
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On April 18 2016 19:04 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 19:02 seemsgood wrote:On April 18 2016 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
3 rax opening seems really bad because there is no way to pressure the protoss in the first 10-15 minutes of the game while protoss can do whatever he wants It only can punish protoss if he goes super fast third.But with 2 bases timing into 3rd,you only can defend. How that? Protoss can defend everything with supply structures
Then his third will delay cause he invests in 2-3 pylons first.
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On April 18 2016 19:04 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 19:03 Colouss wrote:On April 18 2016 19:02 Noonius wrote:On April 18 2016 19:02 ilikeredheads wrote:
lol Life "disappeared"
Wolf pls that's just him being PC He just said Armani is retired... I guess the Zerg playing for Samsung tomorrow is Roro. I want to see this so bad. I loved RorO.
Same. Samsung really needs a zerg of his caliber too (since Solar sucks in SPL)
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zvz is such a troll matchup
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It only can punish protoss if he goes super fast third.But with 2 bases timing into 3rd,you only can defend.
You can't make a 2 base timing attack as terran. Terran always takes 3rd later as toss as he otherwise would die to a 2 bae timing from toss (you see the assymetry).
Now in HOTS/WOL terran took 3rd baser faster but that kinda makes sense as toss had a stronger scaling army.
Then his third will delay cause he invests in 2-3 pylons first.
No the 3rd is started (along with pylons) long before terarns is there (with medivacs). Further, you understand that terran - if he moves out and commits early - he dies too a warp prism counter right?
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On April 18 2016 19:05 sicco_ wrote:
how is it decided which players are facing each other? couldn't find anything.
The teams know the maps and pick the players for the maps. They don't know the opponent's choice until KeSPA releases the lineups.
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Poll: Recommend Leenock vs soOBad Game (9) 64% Excellent Game (2) 14% Meh Game (2) 14% Good Game (1) 7% 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Leenock vs soO (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
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Poll: Recommend Ace MatchGood Game (7) 78% Excellent Game (1) 11% Bad Game (1) 11% Meh Game (0) 0% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ace Match (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
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...and now for the main event of the evening
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On April 18 2016 19:05 Elentos wrote:
Can we please stop whining about Protoss now?
why? if there is something wrong and noone says a thing, nothing will change.
tacet licet.
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This was a terrible series... Normally the telecom wars produce such amazing matches...
What the hell was this shit? I'm glad SKT won come the fuck on KT/SKT...
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Going hatch 1st vs soO shows lack of preparation or some serious finger crossing in my opinion
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soO must be the most annoying player in the world to ZvZ with. If you cheese him he holds, if he cheeses you, you lose, you never know what he does before the games.
Shame we lost, Zest and TY both could have won their games.
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On April 18 2016 19:07 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +It only can punish protoss if he goes super fast third.But with 2 bases timing into 3rd,you only can defend. You can't make a 2 base timing attack as terran. Terran always takes 3rd later as toss as he otherwise would die to a 2 bae timing from toss (you see the assymetry). Now in HOTS/WOL terran took 3rd baser faster but that kinda makes sense as toss had a stronger scaling army.
I know.I mean if protoss goes super fast third,then you can punish him.sOs vs polt is good example.
If you can hold the timing then protoss is kinda behind.Watch maru,ty defend 2 base timing from myungsik and destroyed him make me happy.
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On April 18 2016 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:
Lol inno losing pose
facepalming like us mortals on ladder
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ZvZ still cancer of course.
Expected SKT to take it, TY in proleague performance is a coinflip these days. Leenock just isn't a good enough 4th for KT, but who else can they field? Losira? Zest losing made me super sad though. I am glad Stats at least prevented KT from being shut out 3-0 at least.
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They should have just interviewed Inno for MVP for the heck of it. It's really a missed opportunity they never did that with Flash anyway.
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On April 18 2016 19:09 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 19:05 Elentos wrote:
Can we please stop whining about Protoss now? why? if there is something wrong and noone says a thing, nothing will change. tacet licet.
I'm pretty sure the only thing that can change by whining in LRs are your posting rights on TL. Blizzard doesn't read these.
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I just thought of a real inappropriate joke about Nova but I'm gonna save it for a better time
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On April 18 2016 19:11 opisska wrote:
They should have just interviewed Inno for MVP for the heck of it. It's really a missed opportunity they never did that with Flash anyway.
My favorite thing ever was when they interviewed SalvatioN even though Prime lost.
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I guess now that Classic is back at it there's no reason for SKT to ever go to the ace match again.
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On April 18 2016 19:13 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 19:11 opisska wrote:
They should have just interviewed Inno for MVP for the heck of it. It's really a missed opportunity they never did that with Flash anyway. My favorite thing ever was when they interviewed SalvatioN even though Prime lost.
They really did that? why?
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On April 18 2016 19:12 Noonius wrote:
I just thought of a real inappropriate joke about Nova but I'm gonna save it for a better time
Please share.
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On April 18 2016 19:16 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 19:13 Elentos wrote:On April 18 2016 19:11 opisska wrote:
They should have just interviewed Inno for MVP for the heck of it. It's really a missed opportunity they never did that with Flash anyway. My favorite thing ever was when they interviewed SalvatioN even though Prime lost. They really did that? why?
Because if they waited for Prime to win to interview their players, they would have waited a long time
All jokes aside, he played (and won) a sick TvT against someone I don't remember, that's why he was interviewed
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On April 18 2016 19:16 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 19:13 Elentos wrote:On April 18 2016 19:11 opisska wrote:
They should have just interviewed Inno for MVP for the heck of it. It's really a missed opportunity they never did that with Flash anyway. My favorite thing ever was when they interviewed SalvatioN even though Prime lost. They really did that? why?
It was after his first win in Proleague. And it was a pretty amazing game against Cure.
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On April 18 2016 19:10 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 19:07 Hider wrote:It only can punish protoss if he goes super fast third.But with 2 bases timing into 3rd,you only can defend. You can't make a 2 base timing attack as terran. Terran always takes 3rd later as toss as he otherwise would die to a 2 bae timing from toss (you see the assymetry). Now in HOTS/WOL terran took 3rd baser faster but that kinda makes sense as toss had a stronger scaling army. I know.I mean if protoss goes super fast third,then you can punish him.sOs vs polt is good example. If you can hold the timing then protoss is kinda behind.Watch maru,ty defend 2 base timing from myungsik and destroyed him make me happy.
What Sos vs polt series? The one from 2 months ago where Sos didn't do the standard heavy gateway opening, and thus the series have no meaning in terms of the current balance of the matchup?
Watch maru,ty defend 2 base timing from myungsik
Ty dies evertime he goes for greedy 3rd against toss aggression. Ty actually dies alot in the early game.
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Anyone have a screen cap of that Nova mascot. I need it for uh... research reasons. 
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On April 18 2016 19:19 20-Minute-Jackal wrote:Anyone have a screen cap of that Nova mascot. I need it for uh... research reasons.
Here you can see it about to murder Wolf.
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On April 18 2016 19:18 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 19:10 seemsgood wrote:On April 18 2016 19:07 Hider wrote:It only can punish protoss if he goes super fast third.But with 2 bases timing into 3rd,you only can defend. You can't make a 2 base timing attack as terran. Terran always takes 3rd later as toss as he otherwise would die to a 2 bae timing from toss (you see the assymetry). Now in HOTS/WOL terran took 3rd baser faster but that kinda makes sense as toss had a stronger scaling army. I know.I mean if protoss goes super fast third,then you can punish him.sOs vs polt is good example. If you can hold the timing then protoss is kinda behind.Watch maru,ty defend 2 base timing from myungsik and destroyed him make me happy. What Sos vs polt series? The one from 2 months ago where Sos didn't do the standard heavy gateway opening, and thus the series have no meaning in terms of the current balance of the matchup?
Yeah that match,as i said it doesn't work with current meta.
Ty dies evertime he goes for greedy 3rd against toss aggression. Ty actually dies alot in the early game.
But not in GSL.
Don't get me wrong,i didn't say you can play early vs protoss without getting behind with this current meta.
Calm your fucking tits.
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Zest not so good after all..
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On April 18 2016 20:11 Highways wrote:
Zest not so good after all..
Yeah... right... he lost one PvP in three months against that scrub n00b nobody ever heard of (seriously, Classic? who the f is this?).
The slump is real.
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Sweet, next week is Jin Air vs SKT.
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On April 18 2016 20:32 Gwavajuice wrote:Yeah... right... he lost one PvP in three months against that scrub n00b nobody ever heard of (seriously, Classic? who the f is this?). The slump is real.
It's actually super obnoxious how much people "change" their opinions after one match. What's actually happening is that they don't like the player/don't think the player is good and jump on any chance to justify that. Zest is still about to win GSL
Dark is hella good though
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KT lost, Zest lost...
meh
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Well, wasn't much to see here today.
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On April 18 2016 20:32 Gwavajuice wrote:Yeah... right... he lost one PvP in three months against that scrub n00b nobody ever heard of (seriously, Classic? who the f is this?). The slump is real.
get your stupid salt bullshit out of here, Classic won a GSL and an SSL, Zest only won a GSL
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On April 19 2016 03:54 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 20:32 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 18 2016 20:11 Highways wrote:
Zest not so good after all.. Yeah... right... he lost one PvP in three months against that scrub n00b nobody ever heard of (seriously, Classic? who the f is this?). The slump is real. get your stupid salt bullshit out of here, Classic won a GSL and an SSL, Zest only won a GSL
Your sarcasm detector broke.
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