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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sUL4PhG.png) Banner by Sneirac Monday, Feb 22 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_Proleague/Round_1 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qy3HpZV.png) E-Sports TV.net | Naver | YouTube | Azubu.TV |  Azubu.TV | Twitch.TV ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2EGwEAn.png) Casters: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/CMU99oi.png) Wolf | Brendan Valdes | Tasteless | GTR![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/SPLlogos/mvp.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qPnpAJo.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/SPLlogos/sktt1.png)  GuMiho  Classic DeParture INnoVationhorror soOSeed DarkAce: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0XOLNYT.png) + Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] + + Show Spoiler [Overall Results] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/woZgAuT.png) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dDUhv2V.png) ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/thumb/a/a1/LiveReport.png/15px-LiveReport.png) Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Ace Match![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/px6sull.png) | ||
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On February 22 2016 19:38 Elentos wrote: Hope to see some cheese. Merry xmas!  | ||
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I mean, Sniper used to be on MVP, maybe they'll finally go full evil. Embrace their heritage, ya know? | ||
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Pandemona
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On February 22 2016 19:41 Elentos wrote: I mean, Sniper used to be on MVP, maybe they'll finally go full evil. Embrace their heritage, ya know? No look at the banner sir! | ||
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Yeah, I will now live on in the internet forever. Love it. | ||
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Phredxor
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Elentos world famous now. | ||
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haha :D | ||
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I come off as a bit of a cock in that banner, don't I?  | ||
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On February 22 2016 19:44 Elentos wrote: I come off as a bit of a cock in that banner, don't I? lol xd | ||
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On February 22 2016 19:46 Elentos wrote: Remember that last Proleague game between GuMiho and Classic? Mass oracle vs mass marine. Hahaha yes, that was awesome | ||
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Keeemy
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FFS what a silly loss. RIP FPL boys. | ||
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Well, GG Gumiho | ||
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:/ :0 D: GG | ||
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On February 22 2016 19:57 Durnuu wrote: I don't understand the decision to basetrade by Classic :/ Well, GG Gumiho Yeah it made no sense. He knew he was behind and that the basetrade wouldn't favor him because he was far away, and then there's the added advantage for the terran of lifting buildings to save infrastructure + accumulating energy for mules. | ||
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On February 22 2016 19:58 Pandemona wrote: | ||
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This is not a good start... | ||
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HNNNNNNGGGGGGG | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:01 Phredxor wrote: Well that'll do me then. Hoping Departure can bring it to the ace match, don't have any faith at all in horror or Seed. I want MVP wins.A huge morale boost. | ||
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they're showing the widow mine hit lol !!! -.-" Or not.... Great tease Proleague. | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:00 Elentos wrote: Well the big screen in the studio was still showing the victory screen so I assume some piece of tech died. So... I guess I was right. Something's gone wrong. | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:04 Noonius wrote: someone's getting fired So that's where NASL sound guy disappeared to. | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:04 Noonius wrote: someone's getting fired This is probably somehow NASL sound guy's fault. That devil. | ||
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Thanks Brendan. | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:04 ramask2 wrote: Innovation turned into Skynet and hacked the steam Remember innovation is skynet....When he comes online, Judgment Day begins. | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:06 Elentos wrote: https://twitter.com/BrendanValdes/status/701723791039160320 Thanks Brendan. A crown for a king ! | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:06 seemsgood wrote: Remember innovation is skynet....When he comes online, Judgment Day begins. I like that! | ||
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y u h8 me SPL | ||
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U SO GOOD | ||
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Pandemona
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Guy who cant defend in his life in lotv vs a choya coached zerg player. Easiest DeParture win of my life incoming | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:12 Pandemona wrote: Innovation is not winning this for shit. Guy who cant defend in his life in lotv vs a choya coached zerg player. Easiest DeParture win of my life incoming ikr even Inno knows he's lost already, look at his eyes | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:12 Charoisaur wrote: fuck I missed the mine shot 21 stacked up probes, some of them even carrying resources, just instantly gone. That widow mine basically destroyed Alderaan. | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:12 Pandemona wrote: Innovation is not winning this for shit. Guy who cant defend in his life in lotv vs a choya coached zerg player. Easiest DeParture win of my life incoming You say that in every SPL match with INnoVation, yet he wins INnoVation in teamleagues is a beast | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:12 Pandemona wrote: Innovation is not winning this for shit. Guy who cant defend in his life in lotv vs a choya coached zerg player. Easiest DeParture win of my life incoming Agree.... | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:13 Durnuu wrote: You say that at every Inno SPL match, yet he wins INnoVation in teamleagues is a beast Inno won in SPL? So he did won a TvT and beat Leenock. | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:13 OtherWorld wrote: ikr even Inno knows he's lost already, look at his eyes Did you see he sleeps on computer ? | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:13 Durnuu wrote: You say that in every SPL match with INnoVation, yet he wins INnoVation in teamleagues is a beast Not beastly enough to beat France, amirite? | ||
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GOGO MY CAPTAIN | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:16 Elentos wrote: Not beastly enough to beat France, amirite? hahaha fair enough | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:16 Elentos wrote: Not beastly enough to beat France, amirite? It takes more than a beast to beat France, it takes a beast on strike | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:16 Elentos wrote: Not beastly enough to beat France, amirite? but but what about lag and it being 6 AM in Korea? | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:18 Noonius wrote: but but what about lag and it being 6 AM in Korea? Beast dgaf about what time of the day it is | ||
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why take shitty engagements like that | ||
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DeParture not good enough at the ancient art muta/bane/ling | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:23 KoRStarvid wrote: Anyone else having stream issues? The twitch-stream won't load for me at all, and the Azubu-stream is really unreliable. I live in Sweden. Set the quality to High and refresh the page. Source is sub-locked on Twitch | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:23 KoRStarvid wrote: Anyone else having stream issues? The twitch-stream won't load for me at all, and the Azubu-stream is really unreliable. I live in Sweden. Set the Twitch stream to "high" and refresh | ||
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ffs | ||
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that's a diamond mistake | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:12 Pandemona wrote: Innovation is not winning this for shit. Guy who cant defend in his life in lotv vs a choya coached zerg player. Easiest DeParture win of my life incoming hehe | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:25 Ghanburighan wrote: Departure chose to play HotS TvZ versus Innovation. It went exactly as expected. Reason why that is terrible coaching from Choya. Easy to just say right u have 24 hours, show me a build to do on this map vs innovation. Then you say ok lets not go ling bling u sausage lets try a ravager timing into roach hydra lurker special, not that... xd | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:24 Durnuu wrote: Set the quality to High and refresh the page. Source is sub-locked on Twitch Haha, weird, I've tried doing that but with "Medium" quality, but didn't get it to work. Setting it to "High" worked like a charm! Thanks! | ||
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If horror wins... it would be so horrible !! | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:36 Elentos wrote: Dafuq? horror is actually winning? ZvZ man... :D | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:39 fezvez wrote: How did horror lose that? soO has better micro & macro. | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:42 sc2chronic wrote: i think SPL production just throws in a break timer just to say that they have a timer. i dont think they realize that u need to actually match it with the length of the break and not just come back when it still says "17:34" left on it They're having problems with the production today, usually they have a normal timer and korean ads playing | ||
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Let Darkness reign supreme !! | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:42 sc2chronic wrote: i think SPL production just throws in a break timer just to say that they have a timer. i dont think they realize that u need to actually match it with the length of the break and not just come back when it still says "17:34" left on it They have technical issues. Normally they show ads during breaks and have a small timer in the top right. | ||
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EDIT: the no music is really unpleasant. | ||
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On February 22 2016 20:47 Diabolique wrote: No music? 5 minutes break taking 20 minutes? :-( EDIT: the no music is really unpleasant. Blame NASL sound guy. | ||
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Whee indeed, Brendan. Okay Dark, you absolute boss. Let's do this. | ||
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Poll: Recommend MVP vs SKT T1 Game 4 Meh Game (9) Good Game (1) Excellent Game (0) Bad Game (0) 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend MVP vs SKT T1 Game 4 (Vote): Excellent Game | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:00 The_Red_Viper wrote: The current nydus is probably the worst game mechanic sc2 has ever seen It's pretty awful, but lets not forget pylon overcharge and tankivac. | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:01 Penev wrote: gg, you didn't watch the worker supply Tasteless yeah i don't think he was paying attention to the fact that zerg had a saturated third and protoss didn't when the first nydus came. he was probably thinking of it as a typical heavy nydus allin with only 2 saturated bases against a typical greedy protoss with 3 base income. it was just a great timing by dark, and seed kind of messed up(?) not having pylons/units spread everywhere, although like valdez said it's very hard on that map to get from the main to the third | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:03 Charoisaur wrote: he lost when the third nydus finished out of vision in his main. Should have build a building there to retain the vision of his whole base He was already behind in workers at that point | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:00 The_Red_Viper wrote: The current nydus is probably the worst game mechanic sc2 has ever seen You know the protoss warp-in aggression they have been nerfing lately? Zerg's warp-in doesn't need a worker on the map, you can warp all your current army to it and it's indestructible while building (Oh and Queens can heal their "pylon" too) | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:00 The_Red_Viper wrote: The current nydus is probably the worst game mechanic sc2 has ever seen would there be something wrong with just going back to requiring creep for a nydus? you always have an overlord anyway to spot for the nydus, and you need lair tech which means you can poop creep. i don't think it would be too weak for zerg, because you could position overlords away from the cliff and have the edge of the creep overlapping with your opponent's base. it shouldn't even be easy to just nydus into someone's base, if they have vision and deny overlords they should be rewarded for that... i think everyone wants nydus into the main to be a fun and balanced strat, but forcing it isn't the way | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:07 Elentos wrote: Also I don't really like Seed's build much. It seems kinda weak. Phoenixes you mean? | ||
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Everything. 3 gate adepts doing nothing, 1 stargate doing nothing, faking pressure that does nothing, adding more gates that do nothing. All the while not taking a 3rd. I dunno, it just seems like there's better things to do. | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:08 brickrd wrote: would there be something wrong with just going back to requiring creep for a nydus? you always have an overlord anyway to spot for the nydus, and you need lair tech which means you can poop creep. i don't think it would be too weak for zerg, because you could position overlords away from the cliff and have the edge of the creep overlapping with your opponent's base. it shouldn't even be easy to just nydus into someone's base, if they have vision and deny overlords they should be rewarded for that... i think everyone wants nydus into the main to be a fun and balanced strat, but forcing it isn't the way Requiring creep for the nydus is the best solution to address this problem I agree EDIT: CLICKED THE WRONG BUTTON AGAIN | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:10 Elentos wrote: Everything. 3 gate adepts doing nothing, 1 stargate doing nothing, faking pressure that does nothing, adding more gates that do nothing. All the while not taking a 3rd. my interpretation of what happened was seed was planning to do a 2base allin. the first wave was when he sent adept shades toward the third and canceled them because of ling/queen in position, and he made more gates to follow it up with the main attack. meanwhile dark probably started planning the nydus when he saw the stargate. seed eventually had a third down and zerg had 53 drones, so i think if the nydus never happened seed's build was fine | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:08 brickrd wrote: would there be something wrong with just going back to requiring creep for a nydus? you always have an overlord anyway to spot for the nydus, and you need lair tech which means you can poop creep. i don't think it would be too weak for zerg, because you could position overlords away from the cliff and have the edge of the creep overlapping with your opponent's base. it shouldn't even be easy to just nydus into someone's base, if they have vision and deny overlords they should be rewarded for that... i think everyone wants nydus into the main to be a fun and balanced strat, but forcing it isn't the way I actually don't like the nydus concept at all tbh. The only use is to allin, it literally is useless in any other case. Do we really need such a game mechanic? It was already like that in hots, but at least it could be damaged if you saw it building | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:11 Penev wrote: Requiring creep for the nydus is the best solution to address this problem I agree EDIT: CLICKED THE WRONG BUTTON AGAIN Yeah this also good idea but should give it a late cheap ass upgrade to remove creep require. | ||
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On February 22 2016 21:01 Penev wrote: gg, you didn't watch the worker supply Tasteless Yeah.... Tasteless would really harsh on this "strategy" dismissing it outright as terrible. I only caught the tail end of tonight's Proleague. Has Nydus been this much of an issue in the last week or so? This is the first game I've seen with it. | ||
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mCon.Hephaistas
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It's not like nydus is so strong that you see it almost every game, it's fine for now, just punished greedy play. | ||
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On February 23 2016 00:27 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Zerg wins one game today, people start complaining :D It's not like nydus is so strong that you see it almost every game, it's fine for now, just punished greedy play. Well, I'm not gonna call the nydus imba, but calling Seed's play greedy is a bit of a stretch. He went to 6 gates and a stargate off of 2 bases and delayed his 3rd for a long time. He looked to be doing an all-in that he aborted later. It's not like he died because he had no units. | ||
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On February 23 2016 00:27 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Zerg wins one game today, people start complaining :D It's not like nydus is so strong that you see it almost every game, it's fine for now, just punished greedy play. It's not about balance, it's about bad design. The Nydus worm is incredibly stupid, it was stupid in hots and in lotv blizzard decided to make it even worse. Players will find ways to defend pretty much anything in most cases, that doesn't mean that it's good gameplay (to play and/or to watch) | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
Also, lol @ that last game. Even as a SKT fan, that was just disgusting to watch. Nydus worms really ruin SC2 for the viewers ://///// | ||
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