Making this thread a little early because FUCK YA CANADA.
Rumor has it Scarlett has barely played any LotV, but her mechanics alone should let her beat the lesser players for the other teams. Desrow with all due respect isn't the strongest player but he does abnormally well in these Nation Wars so we'll see what he can do. It might all come down to Huk, most of the weight is on his shoulders. I don't have a ton of hope we'll advance but I'll still be cheering.
Lookin at the polls k just see a bunch of hosers voting. Take off eh?
(For real these are some great teams, and iirc Mexico elimated us from nationwars II. Entonces es la hora para pagar antes amigos. O como se dice "payback time?")
All teams have a chance, but I definately think Harstem can all kill any of the teams.
It looks to me like Denmark has the worst chance of getting out, since all we have is Bunny, and he hasn't been doing so well lately. He can still all kill, but if he loses, I don't see the rest of the team doing much.
Interesting group, none of the strongest teams (imo that's obviously Korea, then Poland, Germany and France) but every one has a chance. Looking forward to seeing Harstem play, this tournament thus far has been a nice scene for the in-form players to show their strength.
On December 10 2015 18:21 stardog wrote: Interesting group, none of the strongest teams (imo that's obviously Korea, then Poland, Germany and France) but every one has a chance.
I agree with your classement. But to be fair, we need to see the others players in action. The results are so volatile... Maybe Harstem will all kill and be the new hype etc.. And in one month maybe a european will find a way to beat Nerchio etc... And we will need to see Bly vs Mlord to be sure that France > Ukraine. I am not convinced at all by Lilbow and Stephano...
It will be so nice if NW4 was with 4 players (decided by ladder ranking ?), and no extra life for the ace. One man carying a country feel silly...
On December 10 2015 18:21 stardog wrote: Interesting group, none of the strongest teams (imo that's obviously Korea, then Poland, Germany and France) but every one has a chance.
It will be so nice if NW4 was with 4 players (decided by ladder ranking ?), and no extra life for the ace. One man carying a country feel silly...
I'd like that, it would promote countries with depth. I understand that the extra life is some protection against bo1 volatility but as you said - the teams become too ace-dependant. Proleague format would also work nicely.
Still with four players the same teams would look the strongest. HyuN, Tefel, GunGFuBanDa, PtitDrogo, make them a team and it would be one of the strongest in this tournament
On December 10 2015 20:58 FunKaDeLiC wrote: I think we should see Netherlands / Canada advance. I don't know why, I could also see Denmark in there, but Bunny has to be on point.
Canada advance? I expect Major to all kill.
Huk is one of the worst "progamers" from a mechanical perspective. There is no way he can win in a macrogame as he is (unintentionally) missing so many workers that you would think he was coached by Happy. Also, his micro isn't anything extraordinary.
And Scarlett - based on her showmatch vs HUK - has no idea how to play LOTV. And then there is Desrow who should have no chance vs Major.
I feel like if you open Stargate against this build it would be best to wait for the Oracle and a Phoenix and just figure out which mineral line the Cyclone is guarding and simply lift the Cyclone and have your Oracle destroy the mineral line
On December 11 2015 01:56 Elentos wrote: I wonder though, is he gonna completely change his ID to Light? Because that's what he's used for a while now.
On December 11 2015 01:56 Elentos wrote: I wonder though, is he gonna completely change his ID to Light? Because that's what he's used for a while now.
Major changes his name every 2-3 months. Everyone still calls him Major though
that's like one of these Z vs Skytoss games in HotS were Protoss would look like they were fine for 15 minutes of deflecting hydralisk attacks and then at some point they just die out of the blue
On December 11 2015 02:02 JabuSeika wrote: MajOr still the best terran in America.
Does he even have competition?
Kelazhur has come close, but still hasn't been able to beat MajOr in tournaments.
Kelazhur hasn't even been close to beating MajOr in tournaments either. MajOr stands above all South American players and laughs at them.
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Well I'd have confidence saying above all American players but he's not been doing too hot this year.
i mean that mexico =/= south america
My statement remains true. MajOr is better than all South American players by laughable amounts. Including Kelazhur and all other unfortunate souls playing him in the Copa.
On December 11 2015 02:02 JabuSeika wrote: MajOr still the best terran in America.
Does he even have competition?
Kelazhur has come close, but still hasn't been able to beat MajOr in tournaments.
Kelazhur hasn't even been close to beating MajOr in tournaments either. MajOr stands above all South American players and laughs at them.
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Well I'd have confidence saying above all American players but he's not been doing too hot this year.
i mean that mexico =/= south america
My statement remains true. MajOr is better than all South American players by laughable amounts. Including Kelazhur and all other unfortunate souls playing him in the Copa.
On December 11 2015 02:02 JabuSeika wrote: MajOr still the best terran in America.
Does he even have competition?
Kelazhur has come close, but still hasn't been able to beat MajOr in tournaments.
Kelazhur hasn't even been close to beating MajOr in tournaments either. MajOr stands above all South American players and laughs at them.
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Well I'd have confidence saying above all American players but he's not been doing too hot this year.
i mean that mexico =/= south america
My statement remains true. MajOr is better than all South American players by laughable amounts. Including Kelazhur and all other unfortunate souls playing him in the Copa.
Just say Latin America...
I didn't include Mexico on purpose because I don't know how good JimRising got on ROOT.
STARlett was really awesome ... already in the first game, and now in the second game even better, can't wait for the third game ... Everybody still remembers her other STAR moment - her borrowed baneling against Bomber
On December 11 2015 02:30 Elentos wrote: Yeah, ultras are just a little better. Just a little.
a tiny little bit more terrifying
is ultra into lose a viable strat still
Its gone for now. If someone manages to pull it off I'd be very impressed.
well, there are still 2 matchups in the game where it works if you know how!
It's not that easy in any MU though. Because ultras are a little bit better. Just a little bit.
They are crap in ZvZ. Lurkers hardcounter them so ridiculously and since frenzy doesn't prevent abduct anymore you can just pull them 1-by-1 while kiting backwards with roach/hydra to begin with. Not to mention that they are really badly equipped to fight alongside of roaches to begin with and get stucked whenever the opponent repositions/kites.
On December 11 2015 02:30 Elentos wrote: Yeah, ultras are just a little better. Just a little.
a tiny little bit more terrifying
is ultra into lose a viable strat still
Its gone for now. If someone manages to pull it off I'd be very impressed.
well, there are still 2 matchups in the game where it works if you know how!
It's not that easy in any MU though. Because ultras are a little bit better. Just a little bit.
They are crap in ZvZ. Lurkers hardcounter them so ridiculously and since frenzy doesn't prevent abduct anymore you can just pull them 1-by-1 while kiting backwards with roach/hydra to begin with. Not to mention that they are really badly equipped to fight alongside of roaches to begin with and get stucked whenever the opponent repositions/kites.
Pretty sure ultras still have a place in ZvZ, perhaps in conjunction with ling muta into ultras later on.
On December 11 2015 02:30 Elentos wrote: Yeah, ultras are just a little better. Just a little.
a tiny little bit more terrifying
is ultra into lose a viable strat still
Its gone for now. If someone manages to pull it off I'd be very impressed.
well, there are still 2 matchups in the game where it works if you know how!
It's not that easy in any MU though. Because ultras are a little bit better. Just a little bit.
They are crap in ZvZ. Lurkers hardcounter them so ridiculously and since frenzy doesn't prevent abduct anymore you can just pull them 1-by-1 while kiting backwards with roach/hydra to begin with. Not to mention that they are really badly equipped to fight alongside of roaches to begin with and get stucked whenever the opponent repositions/kites.
Pretty sure ultras still have a place in ZvZ, perhaps in conjunction with ling muta into ultras later on.
What do you mean with "still"? It's not like anyone ever played them past that short phase in 2012 ZvZ, which was figured out relatively quickly.
On December 11 2015 02:30 Elentos wrote: Yeah, ultras are just a little better. Just a little.
a tiny little bit more terrifying
is ultra into lose a viable strat still
Its gone for now. If someone manages to pull it off I'd be very impressed.
well, there are still 2 matchups in the game where it works if you know how!
It's not that easy in any MU though. Because ultras are a little bit better. Just a little bit.
They are crap in ZvZ. Lurkers hardcounter them so ridiculously and since frenzy doesn't prevent abduct anymore you can just pull them 1-by-1 while kiting backwards with roach/hydra to begin with. Not to mention that they are really badly equipped to fight alongside of roaches to begin with and get stucked whenever the opponent repositions/kites.
Except if the game doesn't progress along the lurker way. E.g. Bly vs Snute in NW3 was muta vs muta and then Bly killed Snute with a switch into ultras.
On December 11 2015 02:30 Elentos wrote: Yeah, ultras are just a little better. Just a little.
a tiny little bit more terrifying
is ultra into lose a viable strat still
Its gone for now. If someone manages to pull it off I'd be very impressed.
well, there are still 2 matchups in the game where it works if you know how!
It's not that easy in any MU though. Because ultras are a little bit better. Just a little bit.
They are crap in ZvZ. Lurkers hardcounter them so ridiculously and since frenzy doesn't prevent abduct anymore you can just pull them 1-by-1 while kiting backwards with roach/hydra to begin with. Not to mention that they are really badly equipped to fight alongside of roaches to begin with and get stucked whenever the opponent repositions/kites.
Except if the game doesn't progress along the lurker way. E.g. Bly vs Snute in NW3 was muta vs muta and then Bly killed Snute with a switch into ultras.
On December 11 2015 03:05 KingofdaHipHop wrote: hey just got back, recap of what happened game 5 so far?
Scarlett did a 2 base roach/ravager push that was barely held, Major did a banshee+hellion drop push that was barely held, Scarlett busted the forward third and attacked the natural which was barely held.
On December 11 2015 03:18 Darkhorse wrote: Do people still widely consider Apollo the best (or top 3) caster? Just curious I know he used to be really highly regarded
i really like him, he's been doing more hosting than casting as of late though. I enjoy casters that make me laugh, so yeah i really like him
On December 11 2015 03:18 Darkhorse wrote: Do people still widely consider Apollo the best (or top 3) caster? Just curious I know he used to be really highly regarded
Unsure, I don't really remember seeing him much recently.
On December 11 2015 03:18 Darkhorse wrote: Do people still widely consider Apollo the best (or top 3) caster? Just curious I know he used to be really highly regarded
i think this tournament cant be used to rate him... so far is like HSC, but i agree that he is one of the best
On December 11 2015 03:18 Darkhorse wrote: Do people still widely consider Apollo the best (or top 3) caster? Just curious I know he used to be really highly regarded
i think this tournament cant be used to rate him... so far is like HSC, but i agree that he is one of the best
Oh absolutely i got the sense that this wasn't the most serious tournament atmosphere so I wasn't talking about today really. I just haven't been able to watch much SC2 in a while so I was wondering
On December 11 2015 03:33 Darkhorse wrote: I don't understand. I didn't think Major was that good he always seems pretty overrated.
The casters are acting like it's crazier than Hitman vs Scarlett
desRow is a personality rather than a pro player. MajOr is a pro. It's like if Rotti wins a series at HSC this year.
I feel like that's an unfair comparison. desRow is in some weird spot here he's not as skilled as your average pro but he's no personality tier either. He's the NA equivalent of a B-teamer
On December 11 2015 03:33 Darkhorse wrote: I don't understand. I didn't think Major was that good he always seems pretty overrated.
The casters are acting like it's crazier than Hitman vs Scarlett
desRow is a personality rather than a pro player. MajOr is a pro. It's like if Rotti wins a series at HSC this year.
I feel like that's an unfair comparison. desRow is in some weird spot here he's not as skilled as your average pro but he's no personality tier either. He's the NA equivalent of a B-teamer
yeah i think he says that because he's a big streamer but hasn't had any noticeable results. but he's an example of improvement if i've evre seen one
On December 11 2015 03:33 Darkhorse wrote: I don't understand. I didn't think Major was that good he always seems pretty overrated.
The casters are acting like it's crazier than Hitman vs Scarlett
desRow is a personality rather than a pro player. MajOr is a pro. It's like if Rotti wins a series at HSC this year.
I feel like that's an unfair comparison. desRow is in some weird spot here he's not as skilled as your average pro but he's no personality tier either. He's the NA equivalent of a B-teamer
I didn't compare their skill levels. Just their standing. desRow is GM but mostly active as a personality rather than a player. And Rotti was the first personality in a tournament I came up with.
On December 11 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote: Wait, she's been playing even better on ladder? WCS will be fun next year.
Almost everyone plays better on ladder/in practice than in tournaments. There are some where the reverse it's true though.
While that is true, the level we saw from her in that match is a level we hadn't seen from her in a good long while. To know she can still reclaim even more of her previous strength says quite a lot.
On December 11 2015 03:40 Strela wrote: Desrow is such a nice guy .
ah I clearly missed something ^^. I haven't followed sc2 closely in a little while.
Unless he's grown up recently (I personally haven't heard any drama from him for a bit) he was pretty well know for the "Nice to your face; dick behind your back" persona
On December 11 2015 04:08 Tenks wrote: Wonder how Bunny's form is now. He looked pretty bad last time I saw him play vs Snute.
he won a Go4sc2 cup the other day beating Symbol 2-0 and uThermal 3-0 but before that his form was looking pretty eh. Wasnt impressed with his Dreamhack performance
On December 11 2015 04:08 Tenks wrote: Wonder how Bunny's form is now. He looked pretty bad last time I saw him play vs Snute.
he won a Go4sc2 cup the other day beating Symbol 2-0 and uThermal 3-0 but before that his form was looking pretty eh. Wasnt impressed with his Dreamhack performance
Ah cool maybe he's really been hitting LotV hard. Always been a fan of his.
I hope Lillekannin wins, I believe the unplayability of Mech in TvT is exaggerated. Bio has always been the easy style in that matchup, but eventually Mech became good. Happened in WoL, happened in HotS. There is not really anything that would hold Mech back in theory, besides maybe liberators.
On December 11 2015 05:07 Big J wrote: I hope Lillekannin wins, I believe the unplayability of Mech in TvT is exaggerated. Bio has always been the easy style in that matchup, but eventually Mech became good. Happened in WoL, happened in HotS. There is not really anything that would hold Mech back in theory, besides maybe liberators.
On December 11 2015 05:07 Big J wrote: I hope Lillekannin wins, I believe the unplayability of Mech in TvT is exaggerated. Bio has always been the easy style in that matchup, but eventually Mech became good. Happened in WoL, happened in HotS. There is not really anything that would hold Mech back in theory, besides maybe liberators.
cursed
I should have put the word macro somewhere in there. It's not like there has ever been a good game that wasn't a macro game
On December 11 2015 05:07 Big J wrote: I hope Lillekannin wins, I believe the unplayability of Mech in TvT is exaggerated. Bio has always been the easy style in that matchup, but eventually Mech became good. Happened in WoL, happened in HotS. There is not really anything that would hold Mech back in theory, besides maybe liberators.
I think it depends. What he has shown here was a "small mech push" which I think is not a very good idea in TvT because the defender's advantage against a straight push is too big and the mech advantage is not really much. Then there is the defensive slow mech, which is still really strong, but with the ever increasing options to circumvent defenses, it's very difficult to get there.
On December 11 2015 05:07 Big J wrote: I hope Lillekannin wins, I believe the unplayability of Mech in TvT is exaggerated. Bio has always been the easy style in that matchup, but eventually Mech became good. Happened in WoL, happened in HotS. There is not really anything that would hold Mech back in theory, besides maybe liberators.
cursed
I should have put the word macro somewhere in there. It's not like there has ever been a good game that wasn't a macro game
On December 11 2015 05:07 Big J wrote: I hope Lillekannin wins, I believe the unplayability of Mech in TvT is exaggerated. Bio has always been the easy style in that matchup, but eventually Mech became good. Happened in WoL, happened in HotS. There is not really anything that would hold Mech back in theory, besides maybe liberators.
cursed
I should have put the word macro somewhere in there. It's not like there has ever been a good game that wasn't a macro game
On December 11 2015 05:07 Big J wrote: I hope Lillekannin wins, I believe the unplayability of Mech in TvT is exaggerated. Bio has always been the easy style in that matchup, but eventually Mech became good. Happened in WoL, happened in HotS. There is not really anything that would hold Mech back in theory, besides maybe liberators.
cursed
I should have put the word macro somewhere in there. It's not like there has ever been a good game that wasn't a macro game
I just noticed that the liquipedia page has the lineup for Korea finally. And then I went WHAAAAAT?
Innovation, Parting, Hydra vs. the rest of the world, how is that not gonna be onesided ever?! I was expecting some slighlty worse Koreans in this. Also how the hell they even got an SKT player to play in this? Good job guys!
On December 11 2015 05:21 opisska wrote: I just noticed that the liquipedia page has the lineup for Korea finally. And then I went WHAAAAAT?
Innovation, Parting, Hydra vs. the rest of the world, how is that not gonna be onesided ever?! I was expecting some slighlty worse Koreans in this. Also how the hell they even got an SKT player to play in this? Good job guys!
To be fair we don't know anything at all about how good INno and Hydra are at LotV. Despite that it does look pretty grim for the other nations.
On December 11 2015 05:59 opisska wrote: What would EU pros watch NA players' streams for, really?
Neeb has a great stream, his mechanics are smooth. It's a shame that he didn't get the opportunity to play at NationWars (didn't follow the voting process, maybe he didn't sign up? idk), he's in top10 aligulac Non-Koreans (rating 1902), #1 USA, and is performing well on ladder (consistently top16 gm). Especially PvP he's solid, 83-7 (92%) on EU
On December 11 2015 06:22 royalroadweed wrote: We're finally seeing abduct vs disruptors. Took a while but its finally here.
OMG that was something! Had no idea that it works like that, so the non-dying of all the units was a big surprise. Both of the making pretty strong moves here
On December 11 2015 06:25 opisska wrote: How was the game over that fast? I literarly looked away for 20 seconds and gg was called. The carrier switch had no hope?
Harstem suicided his army because he had no income anymore.
On December 11 2015 06:25 opisska wrote: How was the game over that fast? I literarly looked away for 20 seconds and gg was called. The carrier switch had no hope?
Harstem suicided his army because he had no income anymore.
On December 11 2015 06:25 opisska wrote: How was the game over that fast? I literarly looked away for 20 seconds and gg was called. The carrier switch had no hope?
Harstem suicided his army because he had no income anymore.
Income is so overrated
I agree. He had an MsC and Disruptors, could have just gotten free damage and recalled for 10hours.
did anyone see the Harstem vs Scarlett showmatch in MATCHERINO #3 a few weeks ago? Just curious if Harstem played macro or used all ins in those games.
On December 11 2015 06:29 Shellshock wrote: did anyone see the Harstem vs Scarlett showmatch in MATCHERINO #3 a few weeks ago? Just curious if Harstem played macro or used all ins in those games.
I saw it but I only remember when Harstem blew up his own Stalkers with the disruptor
On December 11 2015 06:29 Shellshock wrote: did anyone see the Harstem vs Scarlett showmatch in MATCHERINO #3 a few weeks ago? Just curious if Harstem played macro or used all ins in those games.
He played macro mostly. Once he went for an adept attack and accidentally blew up 15-20 of his adepts with a disruptor. Still won the game though.
On December 11 2015 05:59 opisska wrote: What would EU pros watch NA players' streams for, really?
Neeb has a great stream, his mechanics are smooth. It's a shame that he didn't get the opportunity to play at NationWars (didn't follow the voting process, maybe he didn't sign up? idk), he's in top10 aligulac Non-Koreans (rating 1902), #1 USA, and is performing well on ladder (consistently top16 gm). Especially PvP he's solid, 83-7 (92%) on EU
On December 11 2015 06:33 Big J wrote: "Kana da" in Upper Austrian slang means "noone here".
Well, I can't say that's completely inaccurate in terms of population density.
On that note, I was travelling one time and a guy (I'm sorry I forget if it was this German dude or this Swiss dude), but somebody was telling me that Canuck is like a derogatory term for Belgium people? Which I found absolutely hilarious since Canuck is just a pretty typical term for Canadians. Like, no negative connotations.
Was that guy legit or pulling my leg? Some other Swiss girls said they had heard of that too, but I've always wondered.
On December 11 2015 06:33 Big J wrote: "Kana da" in Upper Austrian slang means "noone here".
Well, I can't say that's completely inaccurate in terms of population density.
On that note, I was travelling one time and a guy (I'm sorry I forget if it was this German dude or this Swiss dude), but somebody was telling me that Canuck is like a derogatory term for Belgium people? Which I found absolutely hilarious since Canuck is just a pretty typical term for Canadians. Like, no negative connotations.
Was that guy legit or pulling my leg? Some other Swiss girls said they had heard of that too, but I've always wondered.
Well, I know the term "Kanake" which is a rude term used for all sorts of Southern Europeans, in particular against people from the Balkans.
On December 11 2015 06:33 Big J wrote: "Kana da" in Upper Austrian slang means "noone here".
Well, I can't say that's completely inaccurate in terms of population density.
On that note, I was travelling one time and a guy (I'm sorry I forget if it was this German dude or this Swiss dude), but somebody was telling me that Canuck is like a derogatory term for Belgium people? Which I found absolutely hilarious since Canuck is just a pretty typical term for Canadians. Like, no negative connotations.
Was that guy legit or pulling my leg? Some other Swiss girls said they had heard of that too, but I've always wondered.
Well, I know the term "Kanake" which is a rude term used for all sorts of Southern Europeans, in particular against people from the Balkans.
Ah that must be it. Fascinating. What does it mean and what language does it originate from?
uThermal has thrown away too much stuff with questionable results while not securing a big enough part of the map with scattered buildings. The ideas were there, but Scarlett was just too good in defending. It really does not matter to loose a hive when your opononent doesn't have anything to follow through with.
On December 11 2015 06:33 Big J wrote: "Kana da" in Upper Austrian slang means "noone here".
Well, I can't say that's completely inaccurate in terms of population density.
On that note, I was travelling one time and a guy (I'm sorry I forget if it was this German dude or this Swiss dude), but somebody was telling me that Canuck is like a derogatory term for Belgium people? Which I found absolutely hilarious since Canuck is just a pretty typical term for Canadians. Like, no negative connotations.
Was that guy legit or pulling my leg? Some other Swiss girls said they had heard of that too, but I've always wondered.
Well, I know the term "Kanake" which is a rude term used for all sorts of Southern Europeans, in particular against people from the Balkans.
Ah that must be it. Fascinating. What does it mean and what language does it originate from?
wikipedia tells me that it origins from German sailors that called their Oceanic colleagues Kanake, which in Hawaiian means "Human" and was originally positive. But yeah, these days it is used for all sorts of - usually Southern European - immigrants in Germany/Austria (don't know about Switzerland) and very negative.
As much Ultralisk late game is very strong uThermal could have played more pressure oriented. He dropped a lot but he never committed to a frontal assault, even after sniping the 4th and 5th base he never really attacked.
On December 11 2015 07:00 SlammerIV wrote: As much Ultralisk late game is very strong uThermal could have played more pressure oriented. He dropped a lot but he never committed to a frontal assault, even after sniping the 4th and 5th base he never really attacked.
Frontal assault would've never worked. Dropping was the right way to go, he just lost a few too many medivacs.
I can't really understand when someone defends this. Even Broodlord/Infestor was very fair in comparison to what this Ultralisk bullshit is at the moment vs bio.
On December 11 2015 07:00 SlammerIV wrote: As much Ultralisk late game is very strong uThermal could have played more pressure oriented. He dropped a lot but he never committed to a frontal assault, even after sniping the 4th and 5th base he never really attacked.
You never commit to a frontal assault vs infestors and ultras on creep. uThermal's biggest mistake was not being ByuN.
Tbh I don't see why anyone would think 8 armor Ultras are a good design choice, it's either imbalanced as fuck or requires specific hardcounters like Ghosts that require insane control and still get fungaled and get their channel interrupted and become useless.
Jona should have made an evo chamber when he realized scarlett had no gas. You just drop into the main, bypass the queens and spines and take out the main base.
On December 11 2015 07:04 Bojas wrote: Tbh I don't see why anyone would think 8 armor Ultras are a good design choice, it's either imbalanced as fuck or requires specific hardcounters like Ghosts that require insane control and still get fungaled and get their channel interrupted and become useless.
glad i got some salt i was looking for some but couldn't find any
On December 11 2015 07:00 SlammerIV wrote: As much Ultralisk late game is very strong uThermal could have played more pressure oriented. He dropped a lot but he never committed to a frontal assault, even after sniping the 4th and 5th base he never really attacked.
Frontal assault would've never worked. Dropping was the right way to go, he just lost a few too many medivacs.
Agreed, but dealing with the medivacs was good play by scarlett (other than the one he flew over infested terran lol), didn't seem to have much to do with balance. Like, don't get me wrong, ultras might be a bit bonkers with 8 armor. But I didn't think that was the absolute deciding factor in that game as much as losing like 6 full medivacs was.
On December 11 2015 07:00 SlammerIV wrote: As much Ultralisk late game is very strong uThermal could have played more pressure oriented. He dropped a lot but he never committed to a frontal assault, even after sniping the 4th and 5th base he never really attacked.
Frontal assault would've never worked. Dropping was the right way to go, he just lost a few too many medivacs.
Agreed, but dealing with the medivacs was good play by scarlett (other than the one he flew over infested terran lol), didn't seem to have much to do with balance. Like, don't get me wrong, ultras might be a bit bonkers with 8 armor. But I didn't think that was the absolute deciding factor in that game as much as losing like 6 full medivacs was.
I'm not balance whining, I just don't like the way TvZ is forced to be played currently. I said he lost too many medivacs because that was indeed ultimately where uThermal lost the game.
On December 11 2015 07:00 SlammerIV wrote: As much Ultralisk late game is very strong uThermal could have played more pressure oriented. He dropped a lot but he never committed to a frontal assault, even after sniping the 4th and 5th base he never really attacked.
Frontal assault would've never worked. Dropping was the right way to go, he just lost a few too many medivacs.
Agreed, but dealing with the medivacs was good play by scarlett (other than the one he flew over infested terran lol), didn't seem to have much to do with balance. Like, don't get me wrong, ultras might be a bit bonkers with 8 armor. But I didn't think that was the absolute deciding factor in that game as much as losing like 6 full medivacs was.
I'm not balance whining, I just don't like the way TvZ is forced to be played currently. I said he lost too many medivacs because that was indeed ultimately where uThermal lost the game.
For sure. I wasn't meaning to disagree with you there. More disagreeing with uthermal's tweet. Sorry about the confusion, I should have clarified.
On December 11 2015 07:12 Charoisaur wrote: uthermal is completely right. I had a game where I was on 5 bases vs a 2 base zerg, then the ultras popped and I lost. this is so ridicolous.
I have a tip for you guys, don't make only tier1 units ):
On December 11 2015 07:12 Charoisaur wrote: uthermal is completely right. I had a game where I was on 5 bases vs a 2 base zerg, then the ultras popped and I lost. this is so ridicolous.
welll, if you have 5 bases vs 2 bases as Terran against zerg with any reasonable army and his ultras just popped you should win by basetrade 99% of the time.
On December 11 2015 07:12 Charoisaur wrote: uthermal is completely right. I had a game where I was on 5 bases vs a 2 base zerg, then the ultras popped and I lost. this is so ridicolous.
I have a tip for you guys, don't make only tier1 units ):
Disclaimer not meant as a balance argument, just that this wasn't the situation in the game between Scarlett and uThermal:
He was rocking a lot of liberators and a lot of ghosts and a lot of tanks.
On December 11 2015 07:00 SlammerIV wrote: As much Ultralisk late game is very strong uThermal could have played more pressure oriented. He dropped a lot but he never committed to a frontal assault, even after sniping the 4th and 5th base he never really attacked.
You never commit to a frontal assault vs infestors and ultras on creep. uThermal's biggest mistake was not being ByuN.
I mean before Ultras are out, the game is not that different from HotS, terren can hit before infester ultra comes out. I feel that uThermal spent too much money on tanks, libs and drops, when he could have hit a strong 2-2 timing.
On December 11 2015 07:12 Charoisaur wrote: uthermal is completely right. I had a game where I was on 5 bases vs a 2 base zerg, then the ultras popped and I lost. this is so ridicolous.
I have a tip for you guys, don't make only tier1 units ):
I'm pretty sure he had tanks, liberators and ghosts.
On December 11 2015 07:12 Charoisaur wrote: uthermal is completely right. I had a game where I was on 5 bases vs a 2 base zerg, then the ultras popped and I lost. this is so ridicolous.
I have a tip for you guys, don't make only tier1 units ):
liberators only work when you can force a fight under them which is rarely possible vs a good zerg. Ghosts are extremely hard to control in addition to you bio.
On December 11 2015 07:00 SlammerIV wrote: As much Ultralisk late game is very strong uThermal could have played more pressure oriented. He dropped a lot but he never committed to a frontal assault, even after sniping the 4th and 5th base he never really attacked.
You never commit to a frontal assault vs infestors and ultras on creep. uThermal's biggest mistake was not being ByuN.
I mean before Ultras are out, the game is not that different from HotS, terren can hit before infester ultra comes out. I feel that uThermal spent too much money on tanks, libs and drops, when he could have hit a strong 2-2 timing.
He won't ever kill the Zerg doing that, at best he would trade, and that would just mean that he ends up in a hive tech situation for sure. The reason why dropping is a good idea is because he can greatly hinder Scarlett's economy so she can't get to the hive tech army, without risking the game as much. Medivacs aren't commited most of the time and can get out unscathed, while the Zerg is forced to run around the map, besides, it is almost impossible not to take damage as the Zerg player.
On December 11 2015 07:12 Charoisaur wrote: uthermal is completely right. I had a game where I was on 5 bases vs a 2 base zerg, then the ultras popped and I lost. this is so ridicolous.
welll, if you have 5 bases vs 2 bases as Terran against zerg with any reasonable army and his ultras just popped you should win by basetrade 99% of the time.
Well I had liberators so I thought I could win the fight but I slightly misplaced the circles and so the ultras could circumvent them and kill my bio.
On December 11 2015 07:12 Charoisaur wrote: uthermal is completely right. I had a game where I was on 5 bases vs a 2 base zerg, then the ultras popped and I lost. this is so ridicolous.
I have a tip for you guys, don't make only tier1 units ):
First time I hear Tanks, Ghost and liberators are all tier 1 units... What should he have build? Battlecruisers?
If they gave back 2010-2011 snipe would that be an improvement do you think? I feel like the reason it was nerfed is because it countered mass broodlord and mass ultra so well. But as we learned in 2012 with broodlords, and now with ultras, being able to mass those things isn't necessarily good for the game.
On December 11 2015 07:19 TheDougler wrote: If they gave back 2010-2011 snipe would that be an improvement do you think? I feel like the reason it was nerfed is because it countered mass broodlord and mass ultra so well. But as we learned in 2012 with broodlords, and now with ultras, being able to mass those things isn't necessarily good for the game.
That would be imbalanced, it was wayy too effective and Zerg has no counter.
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
We've still got HuK and an on-fire Scarlett who doesn't have to play on a BS map. I'm still pretty confident.
Edit: Oh right not wanting to have to revive is fair. But still. Also, worst comes to worst I'm pretty confident our team can beat Mexico/Denmark.
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
We've still got HuK and an on-fire Scarlett who doesn't have to play on a BS map. I'm still pretty confident.
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
On December 11 2015 07:55 shid0x wrote: Was there ever a foreigner that really become a beast after a korean tour ?
Stephano didn't came back stronger, neither did lilbow, neither did ToD, neither did nightend, neither did bunny, HuK.....
I think Lilbow cancelled his Korea tour. But I think Snute improved a lot whenever he went to Korea. Like he went from Ro32 in WCS, to beating both the reigning GSL and SSL champions in the same day at IEM Shenzhen.
On December 11 2015 07:55 shid0x wrote: Was there ever a foreigner that really become a beast after a korean tour ?
Stephano didn't came back stronger, neither did lilbow, neither did ToD, neither did nightend, neither did bunny, HuK.....
Idra was pretty strong when he came from Korea but declined afterwards. I think it showed for TLO once or twice when he went there to improve. Naniwa and MaNa also come to mind.
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
But it would be so fun. Imagine the tension!
I don't want tension, not in this situation.
Grats
Your boys should be able to get there against Major and co. or Bunny and co. we'll see red/white vs orange again in the finals (after we take out Korea for you).
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
But it would be so fun. Imagine the tension!
I don't want tension, not in this situation.
Grats
Your boys should be able to get there against Major and co. or Bunny and co. we'll see red/white vs orange again in the finals (after we take out Korea for you).
On December 11 2015 07:55 shid0x wrote: Was there ever a foreigner that really become a beast after a korean tour ?
Stephano didn't came back stronger, neither did lilbow, neither did ToD, neither did nightend, neither did bunny, HuK.....
Lilbow never went to Korea but you're right, most of the time it doesn't work. You could add ThorZain to that list.
HuK for sure came back stronger after practicing in the oGsTL house. Didn't his 2 kills in GSTL come a month or two before the Summer of HuK?
But yeah overall I can't think of other examples. Idra didn't come back stronger, nor TLO, don't think State has improved too much so far as I know either.
On December 11 2015 07:55 shid0x wrote: Was there ever a foreigner that really become a beast after a korean tour ?
Stephano didn't came back stronger, neither did lilbow, neither did ToD, neither did nightend, neither did bunny, HuK.....
Snute destroyed GSL/SSL Tier 1 Champions!
I forgot Snute and Nani / Jinro. I guess it worked for them indeed.
I don't think Jinro improved from being in Korea to be honest. I think he hit his peak while there but the improvement was already well under way (he won an MLG before he went to Korea didn't he?)
On December 11 2015 07:55 shid0x wrote: Was there ever a foreigner that really become a beast after a korean tour ?
Stephano didn't came back stronger, neither did lilbow, neither did ToD, neither did nightend, neither did bunny, HuK.....
Lilbow never went to Korea but you're right, most of the time it doesn't work. You could add ThorZain to that list.
HuK for sure came back stronger after practicing in the oGsTL house. Didn't his 2 kills in GSTL come a month or two before the Summer of HuK?
But yeah overall I can't think of other examples. Idra didn't come back stronger, nor TLO, don't think State has improved too much so far as I know either.
Yeah actually I think HuK is one of the players that benefited the most from the Korean practice.
On December 11 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Im a little bit nervous now, hopefully we dont have to revive because Harstem is a very scary player.
But it would be so fun. Imagine the tension!
I don't want tension, not in this situation.
Grats
Your boys should be able to get there against Major and co. or Bunny and co. we'll see red/white vs orange again in the finals (after we take out Korea for you).
Gonna hold you to that! Well deserved though you have great players on your team and Desrow.
On December 11 2015 07:55 shid0x wrote: Was there ever a foreigner that really become a beast after a korean tour ?
Stephano didn't came back stronger, neither did lilbow, neither did ToD, neither did nightend, neither did bunny, HuK.....
Lilbow never went to Korea but you're right, most of the time it doesn't work. You could add ThorZain to that list.
HuK for sure came back stronger after practicing in the oGsTL house. Didn't his 2 kills in GSTL come a month or two before the Summer of HuK?
But yeah overall I can't think of other examples. Idra didn't come back stronger, nor TLO, don't think State has improved too much so far as I know either.
Yeah actually I think HuK is one of the players that benefited the most from the Korean practice.
On December 11 2015 07:55 shid0x wrote: Was there ever a foreigner that really become a beast after a korean tour ?
Stephano didn't came back stronger, neither did lilbow, neither did ToD, neither did nightend, neither did bunny, HuK.....
Lilbow never went to Korea but you're right, most of the time it doesn't work. You could add ThorZain to that list.
HuK for sure came back stronger after practicing in the oGsTL house. Didn't his 2 kills in GSTL come a month or two before the Summer of HuK?
But yeah overall I can't think of other examples. Idra didn't come back stronger, nor TLO, don't think State has improved too much so far as I know either.
Yeah actually I think HuK is one of the players that benefited the most from the Korean practice.
you learn the best all ins on the Korean ladder
Yeah, complicated strategies like the 7 gate and 4 gate and 3 gate and 8 gate.
On December 11 2015 07:55 shid0x wrote: Was there ever a foreigner that really become a beast after a korean tour ?
Stephano didn't came back stronger, neither did lilbow, neither did ToD, neither did nightend, neither did bunny, HuK.....
Lilbow never went to Korea but you're right, most of the time it doesn't work. You could add ThorZain to that list.
HuK for sure came back stronger after practicing in the oGsTL house. Didn't his 2 kills in GSTL come a month or two before the Summer of HuK?
But yeah overall I can't think of other examples. Idra didn't come back stronger, nor TLO, don't think State has improved too much so far as I know either.
On December 11 2015 07:55 shid0x wrote: Was there ever a foreigner that really become a beast after a korean tour ?
Stephano didn't came back stronger, neither did lilbow, neither did ToD, neither did nightend, neither did bunny, HuK.....
Snute destroyed GSL/SSL Tier 1 Champions!
I forgot Snute and Nani / Jinro. I guess it worked for them indeed.
I don't think Jinro improved from being in Korea to be honest. I think he hit his peak while there but the improvement was already well under way (he won an MLG before he went to Korea didn't he?)
On December 11 2015 08:10 stuchiu wrote: Im pretty certain Jinro was living in Korea before the sc2 beta? Im not sure.
In September 2010, Jinro travelled to Korea with Liquid` members: TLO and Nazgul in preparation for the GOMTV Global StarCraft II League. Since arriving, Jinro and other Team Liquid members have been staying and training in the oGs House, competing in South Korean live events.
On December 11 2015 07:55 shid0x wrote: Was there ever a foreigner that really become a beast after a korean tour ?
Stephano didn't came back stronger, neither did lilbow, neither did ToD, neither did nightend, neither did bunny, HuK.....
Lilbow never went to Korea but you're right, most of the time it doesn't work. You could add ThorZain to that list.
HuK for sure came back stronger after practicing in the oGsTL house. Didn't his 2 kills in GSTL come a month or two before the Summer of HuK?
But yeah overall I can't think of other examples. Idra didn't come back stronger, nor TLO, don't think State has improved too much so far as I know either.
Yeah actually I think HuK is one of the players that benefited the most from the Korean practice.
you learn the best all ins on the Korean ladder
Yeah, complicated strategies like the 7 gate and 4 gate and 3 gate and 8 gate.
Yeah legit players don't need be good, or even exceptional at cheesy strats like 4 gate (Naniwa), 8 gate (HuK), immortal sentry all-in (Parting), or ...You know what listing MC and his arsenal of all-ins here isn't even fair.
WoL you HAD to be good at at least a couple all-ins as protoss. That's just the way the meta was. Hell, it still helps to have a few all-ins up your sleeve.
I would formally like to express my apologies for not believing that Canada would even win a map. Clearly my thought processes were interfered by remanences of the hots meta
This is definitively not the playoffs, someone derped on liquipedia for sure. They even said it on stream last time that they couldn't know the ro8 opponents yet.
On December 11 2015 17:55 shid0x wrote: This is definitively not the playoffs, someone derped on liquipedia for sure. They even said it on stream last time that they couldn't know the ro8 opponents yet.
It seems you were right, it's gone now. I hope that even in drawing this scenario can't happen.
Hey guys, sorry I haven't been able to check the LR yet, if you want to send us feedbacks please feel free to do it. You can either poke me on TL/Twitter or sasimre on TL and Twitter too.
On December 11 2015 17:55 shid0x wrote: This is definitively not the playoffs, someone derped on liquipedia for sure. They even said it on stream last time that they couldn't know the ro8 opponents yet.
It seems you were right, it's gone now. I hope that even in drawing this scenario can't happen.
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Lets all blame Yhamm for editing liquipedia being high as a kite.
On December 12 2015 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Hyped for today. Sad I couldn't watch yesterday but at least I can watch Netherlands qualify now. (please )
On December 12 2015 02:00 shid0x wrote: Delicious Danish tears inc
On December 12 2015 01:57 Boucot wrote: 3 minutes before the announcement of the new Millenium player #hype
Disapointment in 3 min :DDDD
Nop
it's been more than 3 min who is it
Showtime.... I'm still disappointed.
I mean, he was the best teamless foreigner. What did you expect, Life ?
He indeed had a good run in LOTV so far I can't deny it but i doubt he'll be able to keep it up in the long run.
Also switching from ForGG to showtime who in the blue hell wouldn't be disappointed ? I wish it had been a kor ( especially since the new owner of mill now has the money and infrastructure to do so ).
On December 12 2015 02:00 shid0x wrote: Delicious Danish tears inc
On December 12 2015 01:57 Boucot wrote: 3 minutes before the announcement of the new Millenium player #hype
Disapointment in 3 min :DDDD
Nop
it's been more than 3 min who is it
Showtime.... I'm still disappointed.
I mean, he was the best teamless foreigner. What did you expect, Life ?
He indeed had a good run in LOTV so far I can't deny it but i doubt he'll be able to keep it up in the long run.
Also switching from ForGG to showtime who in the blue hell wouldn't be disappointed ? I wish it had been a kor ( especially since the new owner of mill now has the money and infrastructure to do so ).
On December 12 2015 02:00 shid0x wrote: Delicious Danish tears inc
On December 12 2015 01:57 Boucot wrote: 3 minutes before the announcement of the new Millenium player #hype
Disapointment in 3 min :DDDD
Nop
it's been more than 3 min who is it
Showtime.... I'm still disappointed.
I mean, he was the best teamless foreigner. What did you expect, Life ?
He indeed had a good run in LOTV so far I can't deny it but i doubt he'll be able to keep it up in the long run.
Also switching from ForGG to showtime who in the blue hell wouldn't be disappointed ? I wish it had been a kor ( especially since the new owner of mill now has the money and infrastructure to do so ).
He's a 3-time EPS Champion. Think about that.
remember when HeRoMaRinE was the next big thing ? Everyone was over him and he had similar results. We all saw what it went down to :D
Also i know i'm negative so i hope he'll prove me wrong.
after seeing the nationwars games and some other tournaments the last 2 days I think USA could have been the best team from the Americas if they had Destiny and Neeb
On December 12 2015 02:00 shid0x wrote: Delicious Danish tears inc
On December 12 2015 01:57 Boucot wrote: 3 minutes before the announcement of the new Millenium player #hype
Disapointment in 3 min :DDDD
Nop
it's been more than 3 min who is it
Showtime.... I'm still disappointed.
I mean, he was the best teamless foreigner. What did you expect, Life ?
He indeed had a good run in LOTV so far I can't deny it but i doubt he'll be able to keep it up in the long run.
Also switching from ForGG to showtime who in the blue hell wouldn't be disappointed ? I wish it had been a kor ( especially since the new owner of mill now has the money and infrastructure to do so ).
I mean, I'm sure Millenium would have had the money to pay for DRG, but what's the point when WCS rules are still uncertain?
On December 12 2015 02:00 shid0x wrote: Delicious Danish tears inc
On December 12 2015 01:57 Boucot wrote: 3 minutes before the announcement of the new Millenium player #hype
Disapointment in 3 min :DDDD
Nop
it's been more than 3 min who is it
Showtime.... I'm still disappointed.
I mean, he was the best teamless foreigner. What did you expect, Life ?
He indeed had a good run in LOTV so far I can't deny it but i doubt he'll be able to keep it up in the long run.
Also switching from ForGG to showtime who in the blue hell wouldn't be disappointed ? I wish it had been a kor ( especially since the new owner of mill now has the money and infrastructure to do so ).
I mean, I'm sure Millenium would have had the money to pay for DRG, but what's the point when WCS rules are still uncertain?
On December 12 2015 02:00 shid0x wrote: Delicious Danish tears inc
On December 12 2015 01:57 Boucot wrote: 3 minutes before the announcement of the new Millenium player #hype
Disapointment in 3 min :DDDD
Nop
it's been more than 3 min who is it
Showtime.... I'm still disappointed.
I mean, he was the best teamless foreigner. What did you expect, Life ?
He indeed had a good run in LOTV so far I can't deny it but i doubt he'll be able to keep it up in the long run.
Also switching from ForGG to showtime who in the blue hell wouldn't be disappointed ? I wish it had been a kor ( especially since the new owner of mill now has the money and infrastructure to do so ).
He's a 3-time EPS Champion. Think about that.
remember when HeRoMaRinE was the next big thing ? Everyone was over him and he had similar results. We all saw what it went down to :D
Also i know i'm negative so i hope he'll prove me wrong.
ShoWTimE already has had more success outside of EPS than HeRoMaRinE.
On December 12 2015 02:26 Rehio wrote: It seems strange how much people are expecting out of Bunny. I got the feeling that he had just kinda stepped back from the game for the most part.
Y, and its not like bunny is hiding it. But since lotv is relatively new everything is possible.
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
Sure. But our team spent 8 years chasing #1, finished top 4 in every major tournament since 2006. Then we finally become World Champions and can't keep #1 for even a year? That's some Aligulac style shenanigans.
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
Sure. But our team spent 8 years chasing #1, finished top 4 in every major tournament since 2006. Then we finally become World Champions and can't keep #1 for even a year? That's some Aligulac style shenanigans.
ByuNguim is just too good. Just chokes at major events
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
I'm pretty sure you can't cross the Argentinian border with a belgian ID.
Our observatory in Argentina is about 1/4 made by German people and we had a collaboration meeting there a couple of months after the 2014 WC. We we really curious how many people will get in
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
We're number 10, I want to believe! For once... ...
We're number 88. dont' feel too bad
You rekt us so hard before our own European Championship in 2008. Our team was so bad back then, and it didn't help that we had a retarted coach who literally said he would not nominate the best players, but the right ones, because so many of our best couldn't work with him...
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
We're number 10, I want to believe! For once... ...
We're number 88. dont' feel too bad
You rekt us so hard before our own European Championship in 2008. Our team was so bad back then, and it didn't help that we had a retarted coach who literally said he would not nominate the best players, but the right ones, because so many of our best couldn't work with him...
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
USA beats Germany and Netherlands: Down 7 Gets 4th in Gold Cup: Up 5
I saw someone explain the multipliers by event once. I think it was like beating the 100th ranked team in a tournament or qualifier is worth the same number of points as beating the #1 ranked team in a friendly. so basically friendlies are irrelevant and beating up on a couple of scrubs before losing in a tournament is worth a decent number of points
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
We're number 10, I want to believe! For once... ...
We're number 88. dont' feel too bad
You rekt us so hard before our own European Championship in 2008. Our team was so bad back then, and it didn't help that we had a retarted coach who literally said he would not nominate the best players, but the right ones, because so many of our best couldn't work with him...
Austria aka Team Alaba is doing fine now though.
Arnautovic just rekt Chelsea and we got a few other good ones as well like Junuzovic . And then there is that guy that just debuted for Real, maybe he can make it till the Euro...
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
We're number 10, I want to believe! For once... ...
We're number 88. dont' feel too bad
You rekt us so hard before our own European Championship in 2008. Our team was so bad back then, and it didn't help that we had a retarted coach who literally said he would not nominate the best players, but the right ones, because so many of our best couldn't work with him...
Well tbh the french national coach for example expelled players like Nasri from the squad because they were "toxic" and france did pretty well in the last WC.
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
We're number 10, I want to believe! For once... ...
We're number 88. dont' feel too bad
You rekt us so hard before our own European Championship in 2008. Our team was so bad back then, and it didn't help that we had a retarted coach who literally said he would not nominate the best players, but the right ones, because so many of our best couldn't work with him...
Austria aka Team Alaba is doing fine now though.
Arnautovic just rekt Chelsea and we got a few other good ones as well like Junuzovic . And then there is that guy that just debuted for Real, maybe he can make it till the Euro...
Though to be fair Chelsea is just asking for it this season. And Alaba is the best player by quite a wide margin.
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
We're number 10, I want to believe! For once... ...
We're number 88. dont' feel too bad
You rekt us so hard before our own European Championship in 2008. Our team was so bad back then, and it didn't help that we had a retarted coach who literally said he would not nominate the best players, but the right ones, because so many of our best couldn't work with him...
Austria aka Team Alaba is doing fine now though.
Arnautovic just rekt Chelsea and we got a few other good ones as well like Junuzovic . And then there is that guy that just debuted for Real, maybe he can make it till the Euro...
Though to be fair Chelsea is just asking for it this season. And Alaba is the best player by quite a wide margin.
Alaba is great, but I feel like there are really some other good players these days in the Austrian Team. And it really helps that we don't have an Austrian coach for once, as Marcel Koller is not bound by tradition or club pressure to put half of rapid's and austria's lineups into the nationalteam and will just freely nominate all the good players instead.
On December 12 2015 02:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Damn Mexicans still salty about Robben
we already payed for that by not reaching euro2016 ;(
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
We're number 10, I want to believe! For once... ...
We're number 88. dont' feel too bad
You rekt us so hard before our own European Championship in 2008. Our team was so bad back then, and it didn't help that we had a retarted coach who literally said he would not nominate the best players, but the right ones, because so many of our best couldn't work with him...
Well tbh the french national coach for example expelled players like Nasri from the squad because they were "toxic" and france did pretty well in the last WC.
Just looking at Nasri's face gives me irritable bowel symptom so no wonder about his teammates.
How much does it hurt that Belgium is ranked number 1 in the world and you are not even top10 or euro2016? :O
I'm German, and Belgium being #1 in the world hurts me :/
FIFA ranking has always been crap, it's irrelevant.
We're number 10, I want to believe! For once... ...
We're number 88. dont' feel too bad
You rekt us so hard before our own European Championship in 2008. Our team was so bad back then, and it didn't help that we had a retarted coach who literally said he would not nominate the best players, but the right ones, because so many of our best couldn't work with him...
Austria aka Team Alaba is doing fine now though.
Arnautovic just rekt Chelsea and we got a few other good ones as well like Junuzovic . And then there is that guy that just debuted for Real, maybe he can make it till the Euro...
Though to be fair Chelsea is just asking for it this season. And Alaba is the best player by quite a wide margin.
Alaba is great, but I feel like there are really some other good players these days in the Austrian Team. And it really helps that we don't have an Austrian coach for once, as Marcel Koller is not bound by tradition or club pressure to put half of rapid's and austria's lineups into the nationalteam and will just freely nominate all the good players instead.
Austria has a pre great team tbh. Dragovic, Baumgartlinger, Fuchs, Junuzovic are all players that would have been the "star" of the austrian team 10 years ago, now they have quiet a lot of decent players and obviously alaba is world class.
By the way MajOr's twitter handle is something with Light now so he's serious about it this time! For sure. Maybe. Uh, let's talk about that in a few months I guess.
It's apparently "TeamKentuckyChickenNightAndSM" which I can't see how should be offensive, but I am definitely not very good int this ofense-taking business.
On December 12 2015 02:52 Elentos wrote: By the way MajOr's twitter handle is something with Light now so he's serious about it this time! For sure. Maybe. Uh, let's talk about that in a few months I guess.
Yeah, let's wait until he joins ROOT for the 43rd time.
On December 12 2015 02:56 Big J wrote: I don't know if disruptors will be the way to go in TvP once Maru gets his hands on this game.
Maru's already pretty damn good in LotV. But I don't see what SpaceMarine was going for here anyway, IMO you need colossi and disruptors (and later storm). He just went stalker/disruptor like it's PvP.
On December 12 2015 02:56 Big J wrote: I don't know if disruptors will be the way to go in TvP once Maru gets his hands on this game.
From what State said on his stream, in PvT most Koreans go Colossus->Storm or heavy Gateway with late Storm. They add a couple of Disruptors later but don't rely on them.
On December 12 2015 02:56 Big J wrote: I don't know if disruptors will be the way to go in TvP once Maru gets his hands on this game.
SpaceMarine has never had enough Disruptors on the field to really respect them. Major can just focus them before the ball explodes.
Well, I'm also thinking about crazy drop play everywhere. The attention alone that the protoss needs to fire and micro the disruptor balls without blowing up his own mineral line and zealots...
On December 12 2015 02:56 Big J wrote: I don't know if disruptors will be the way to go in TvP once Maru gets his hands on this game.
From what State said on his stream, in PvT most Koreans go Colossus->Storm or heavy Gateway with late Storm. They add a couple of Disruptors later but don't rely on them.
Oh yeah, also this. Polt once said on stream that in his opinion adept/stalker/immortal (with blink and resonating glaives) beats pure bio.
On December 12 2015 03:09 Tenks wrote: Heh I guess we don't have the TvT expert panel up right now since they're so perplexed by early cyclones TvT
It is a little perplexing tbh. Usually you only get one and you're purely defensive with it while getting an expansion.
I've encountered these marine/cyclone pushes for a while. Even late beta. Generally you do it when your opponent isn't going cloak banshee as a reaper follow up.
On December 12 2015 02:48 sharkie wrote: Alaba isn't even close to being the best player for Austria... That's Junuzovic
lol
That is all.
Did you guys even watch Austria games? I surely doubt it. Austria always played bad when he didn't play. Has been more MotM than Alaba too
Junozovic is important to the team and he's certainly a very good player, but there is no debate to be had about him being a better player than Alaba. Not only did I watch a few games of the austrian national team, I'm also a fan of Werder Bremen and have been watching Junozovic pretty consistently over the last 3 years. His freekicking and corners are top top top level, but other than that he's a good midfielder who always seems to be willing to play his heart out for the team. But he doesn't possess any particular outstanding qualities.
Alaba on the other hand is arguably the best fullback in the world, he's lightning fast, his technique is incredible especially for a defender, his positioning defensively has improved a lot over the last 2 years (I guess Lahm is mentoring him on that) and consistently impresses on Champions league leve.
On December 12 2015 02:48 sharkie wrote: Alaba isn't even close to being the best player for Austria... That's Junuzovic
lol
That is all.
can confirm lolled quite a bit
On December 12 2015 02:50 robson1 wrote:
On December 12 2015 02:48 sharkie wrote: Alaba isn't even close to being the best player for Austria... That's Junuzovic
I think even Junuzovic would laugh at you.
On December 12 2015 02:49 Elentos wrote:
On December 12 2015 02:48 sharkie wrote: Alaba isn't even close to being the best player for Austria... That's Junuzovic
lol
That is all.
Did you guys even watch Austria games? I surely doubt it. Austria always played bad when he didn't play. Has been more MotM than Alaba too
Junozovic is important to the team and he's certainly a very good player, but there is no debate to be had about him being a better player than Alaba. Not only did I watch a few games of the austrian national team, I'm also a fan of Werder Bremen and have been watching Junozovic pretty consistently over the last 3 years. His freekicking and corners are top top top level, but other than that he's a good midfielder who always seems to be willing to play his heart out for the team. But he doesn't possess any particular outstanding qualities.
Alaba on the other hand is arguably the best fullback in the world, he's lightning fast, his technique is incredible especially for a defender, his positioning defensively has improved a lot over the last 2 years (I guess Lahm is mentoring him on that) and consistently impresses on Champions league leve.
Alaba isn't even playing as a fullback for Austria hahaha Man with that sentence alone you just proved you didn't watch a single game. XD
I played a TvT on ladder yesterday where the guy got a minor lead going into the midgame. He was so nervous about me doom dropping to get back into/win the game he built literally 8+ turrets. Turns out you can just push into his front since he had like no marines.
On December 12 2015 03:21 Tenks wrote: I played a TvT on ladder yesterday where the guy got a minor lead going into the midgame. He was so nervous about me doom dropping to get back into/win the game he built literally 8+ turrets. Turns out you can just push into his front since he had like no marines.
On December 12 2015 03:21 Tenks wrote: I played a TvT on ladder yesterday where the guy got a minor lead going into the midgame. He was so nervous about me doom dropping to get back into/win the game he built literally 8+ turrets. Turns out you can just push into his front since he had like no marines.
And his name was avilo?
Possibly a student of the man himself.
My favorite TvT yesterday was on Ulrena and I opened 3 reapers into cloak banshee where the reapers killed like 10 workers and the cloak banshee basically the rest and he claimed the only reason he lost as because his bunker was off 1 hex (wasn't even part of a wall) or it would have been "a free win."
On December 12 2015 03:21 Tenks wrote: I played a TvT on ladder yesterday where the guy got a minor lead going into the midgame. He was so nervous about me doom dropping to get back into/win the game he built literally 8+ turrets. Turns out you can just push into his front since he had like no marines.
And his name was avilo?
Possibly a student of the man himself.
My favorite TvT yesterday was on Ulrena and I opened 3 reapers into cloak banshee where the reapers killed like 10 workers and the cloak banshee basically the rest and he claimed the only reason he lost as because his bunker was off 1 hex (wasn't even part of a wall) or it would have been "a free win."
Did you respond by telling him you realized that he fucked up his bunker placement and just took the freewin?
On December 12 2015 03:21 Tenks wrote: I played a TvT on ladder yesterday where the guy got a minor lead going into the midgame. He was so nervous about me doom dropping to get back into/win the game he built literally 8+ turrets. Turns out you can just push into his front since he had like no marines.
And his name was avilo?
Possibly a student of the man himself.
My favorite TvT yesterday was on Ulrena and I opened 3 reapers into cloak banshee where the reapers killed like 10 workers and the cloak banshee basically the rest and he claimed the only reason he lost as because his bunker was off 1 hex (wasn't even part of a wall) or it would have been "a free win."
Honestly my build on Ulrena for TvT is straight-up tank pushing off of 1 or 2 bases. They never see it coming because drops are so good on the map.
On December 12 2015 03:21 Tenks wrote: I played a TvT on ladder yesterday where the guy got a minor lead going into the midgame. He was so nervous about me doom dropping to get back into/win the game he built literally 8+ turrets. Turns out you can just push into his front since he had like no marines.
And his name was avilo?
Possibly a student of the man himself.
My favorite TvT yesterday was on Ulrena and I opened 3 reapers into cloak banshee where the reapers killed like 10 workers and the cloak banshee basically the rest and he claimed the only reason he lost as because his bunker was off 1 hex (wasn't even part of a wall) or it would have been "a free win."
Did you respond by telling him you realized that he fucked up his bunker placement and just took the freewin?
Haha no it was the classic "send a whisper then immediately log out" move
I wonder if you can open Ghost in LotV now that Ghosts have a base speed increase. It would help them now that they're faster than Banshee and with the speed + range they could kite marines as well. Maybe like a Ghost/Hellion opening composition.
On December 12 2015 03:35 Tenks wrote: I wonder if you can open Ghost in LotV now that Ghosts have a base speed increase. It would help them now that they're faster than Banshee and with the speed + range they could kite marines as well. Maybe like a Ghost/Hellion opening composition.
Sounds pretty all-in considering how expensive ghosts are.
On December 12 2015 03:35 Tenks wrote: I wonder if you can open Ghost in LotV now that Ghosts have a base speed increase. It would help them now that they're faster than Banshee and with the speed + range they could kite marines as well. Maybe like a Ghost/Hellion opening composition.
Sounds pretty all-in considering how expensive ghosts are.
Yeah the problem I'm having is that you couldn't do much outside of defend stuff but I don't see how you'd put on offense.
I just want to open Ghosts again. Cloak Ghost first TvP was my jam in WoL.
On December 12 2015 03:35 Tenks wrote: I wonder if you can open Ghost in LotV now that Ghosts have a base speed increase. It would help them now that they're faster than Banshee and with the speed + range they could kite marines as well. Maybe like a Ghost/Hellion opening composition.
Sounds pretty all-in considering how expensive ghosts are.
Yeah the problem I'm having is that you couldn't do much outside of defend stuff but I don't see how you'd put on offense.
I just want to open Ghosts again. Cloak Ghost first TvP was my jam in WoL.
I did see Theo play Demuslim on stream the other day with the whackiest turtle play. He opened to 3 bases rather quickly mainly hinging on photon cannons and pylons for defense. He then slowly crept the map with cannons while teching into a ton of Tempest then eventually Tempest + HT. He also was really, really on point with his few Oracles constantly dropping Revalation. It seemed extraordinarily frustrating to play against.
I don't know what he was really hoping to do with those SCV. It is hard to use grenades when you'll friendly fire so many of your own SCV if you get into an SCV vs SCV+Reaper battle.
I think if you open Oracle these days you don't HAVE to run it in to kill SCVs. With Revelation and Status they add some utility to your army. I feel trading it off for 2 SCV is just a terrible idea.
On December 12 2015 05:14 Tenks wrote: I think if you open Oracle these days you don't HAVE to run it in to kill SCVs. With Revelation and Status they add some utility to your army. I feel trading it off for 2 SCV is just a terrible idea.
On December 12 2015 05:14 Tenks wrote: I think if you open Oracle these days you don't HAVE to run it in to kill SCVs. With Revelation and Status they add some utility to your army. I feel trading it off for 2 SCV is just a terrible idea.
trading an oracle for 2 SCVs seems like a terrible idea regardless of the expansion
On December 12 2015 05:26 Heartland wrote: why don't people get viking clouds to just shoot down all the medivacs loaded with tanks in in TvT?
I think you'd just get overwhelmed on the ground. Not to mention they'd probably only snipe 1-2 medivacs before they deploy their tanks and you'll just get washed over by superior marine numbers and probably even tank numbers.
On December 12 2015 05:26 Heartland wrote: why don't people get viking clouds to just shoot down all the medivacs loaded with tanks in in TvT?
I think you'd just get overwhelmed on the ground. Not to mention they'd probably only snipe 1-2 medivacs before they deploy their tanks and you'll just get washed over by superior marine numbers and probably even tank numbers.
I guess, it's hard for me to read at what point what would make sense economically to do
On December 12 2015 05:26 Heartland wrote: why don't people get viking clouds to just shoot down all the medivacs loaded with tanks in in TvT?
I think you'd just get overwhelmed on the ground. Not to mention they'd probably only snipe 1-2 medivacs before they deploy their tanks and you'll just get washed over by superior marine numbers and probably even tank numbers.
I guess, it's hard for me to read at what point what would make sense economically to do
I don't think it would ever make sense tactically let alone economically. You need 1 medivac per tank so if you're tying up your port with Viking production you'll be extremely low on medivac numbers. Which means you couldn't reposition your own tanks. So even if they'd lose all their medivacs it wouldn't matter because they'd still obtain better positioning with their tanks. I think it would also make defending doom drops awkward since if you're out of position with your vikings you'd just lose the entire base. A big part of defending dooms is just boosting your tanks over to kill marines and they're dropping.
Rotti is a good man, forfeiting his spot for more deserving players was great and he found just the right amount of Dutch patriotism for the international stream.
So between Poland, Ukraine and Canada all advancing first from their groups, I think the secret to success is having an Acer player on your team. Inno is former Acer so I'll give Korea the advantage in Group D
On December 12 2015 06:04 Aeromi wrote: As always if you want to send us feedback please do it here/PM/Twitter, same with sasimre on TL.
My only complaint is that I have somehow ignored the previous two installment. This is such a fun tourney.
Also Funka is absolutely adorable, maybe it could be interesting to see more of the other French casters on the English stream - but I have no idea how feasible that is given their commitments to the French stream obviously.
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