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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
July 21 2015 10:10 GMT
#101
On July 21 2015 19:09 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 19:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Ugh, should have just macroed

Or just add Blink somewhere, it would have been a whole other story


I mean, you can't hit the anti hive timing if you tech to blink after the oracles, but I think if you just macro on pure blink/sentry you win anyway. Roach/hydra viper is hilariously weak after you lose 20 drones.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 21 2015 10:11 GMT
#102
On July 21 2015 19:09 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 19:08 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 21 2015 19:07 Ej_ wrote:
oh it's just 11gate all-in?

Everything's better with 11 gateways

Do you remember that game when SD took super quick 3rd in WCS vs Snute and then just did 11gate all-in after that? It was like 4gate +1, but with 7 more gateways

Back when SD was good, yeah d:
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 21 2015 10:11 GMT
#103
Korean adverts are awesome :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 21 2015 10:12 GMT
#104
Pls win 3-0 SBENU. Want to watch KT but don't want to stay up super late!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33454 Posts
July 21 2015 10:12 GMT
#105
Welp I hope we get a quick 3-0 for a Curious interview
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
July 21 2015 10:12 GMT
#106
My interest in this match is now gone, finish it so we can get KT vs CJ please
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-21 10:13:13
July 21 2015 10:13 GMT
#107
On July 21 2015 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 19:09 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 21 2015 19:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Ugh, should have just macroed

Or just add Blink somewhere, it would have been a whole other story


I mean, you can't hit the anti hive timing if you tech to blink after the oracles, but I think if you just macro on pure blink/sentry you win anyway. Roach/hydra viper is hilariously weak after you lose 20 drones.


What exactly is the value of doing the build HerO tried? Wouldn't it be better to just do an empty third base timing at 10:00 or a +2 blink 3 base stalker build>?
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
July 21 2015 10:13 GMT
#108
On July 21 2015 19:11 Pandemona wrote:
Korean adverts are awesome :D

Best commercials are by Daehan Minguk Manse because they are so adorable triplets

Favorite players: Gh and Zai
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 21 2015 10:13 GMT
#109
Whoa a Spinoza quote in an ad for SSL, such culture
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
July 21 2015 10:14 GMT
#110
On July 21 2015 19:13 OtherWorld wrote:
Whoa a Spinoza quote in an ad for SSL, such culture


I was thinking that the other day ^.^. Korean education OP
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 21 2015 10:14 GMT
#111
On July 21 2015 19:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:
My interest in this match is now gone, finish it so we can get KT vs CJ please

I want to se DeParture vs jjakji
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 21 2015 10:16 GMT
#112
so is Leenock going to take 1 or 2 golds?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
July 21 2015 10:16 GMT
#113
So who is this "VS", a new sponsor? It really gets a lot of screentime in prominent big letters )
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
July 21 2015 10:16 GMT
#114
Expecting another one sided match.C'mon Leenock!
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
July 21 2015 10:17 GMT
#115
On July 21 2015 19:13 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On July 21 2015 19:09 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 21 2015 19:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Ugh, should have just macroed

Or just add Blink somewhere, it would have been a whole other story


I mean, you can't hit the anti hive timing if you tech to blink after the oracles, but I think if you just macro on pure blink/sentry you win anyway. Roach/hydra viper is hilariously weak after you lose 20 drones.


What exactly is the value of doing the build HerO tried? Wouldn't it be better to just do an empty third base timing at 10:00 or a +2 blink 3 base stalker build>?


He did an empty third all in. The idea is to kill drones/queens with the zealot warpin or at the very worst force a roach warren (you can't all in ling/hydra with this) -> then kill drones with the oracle -> then hit the attack. After killing 20 drones, the zerg can't really outproduce you and you should overwhelm them in the long run. HerO would have done that too, just needed to take better fights

I don't think the build was necessarily bad, I just like it better with a blink transition. Let Curious have his hive, it's pretty useless after losing 20 drones anyway. You can kill roach/hydra/viper with pure stalker/sentry from that spot.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 21 2015 10:17 GMT
#116
Hair talk! I think that Leenock did this just to let them talk about his hair than his play and recent results
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
July 21 2015 10:20 GMT
#117
On July 21 2015 19:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 19:13 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On July 21 2015 19:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On July 21 2015 19:09 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 21 2015 19:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Ugh, should have just macroed

Or just add Blink somewhere, it would have been a whole other story


I mean, you can't hit the anti hive timing if you tech to blink after the oracles, but I think if you just macro on pure blink/sentry you win anyway. Roach/hydra viper is hilariously weak after you lose 20 drones.


What exactly is the value of doing the build HerO tried? Wouldn't it be better to just do an empty third base timing at 10:00 or a +2 blink 3 base stalker build>?


He did an empty third all in. The idea is to kill drones/queens with the zealot warpin or at the very worst force a roach warren (you can't all in ling/hydra with this) -> then kill drones with the oracle -> then hit the attack. After killing 20 drones, the zerg can't really outproduce you and you should overwhelm them in the long run. HerO would have done that too, just needed to take better fights

I don't think the build was necessarily bad, I just like it better with a blink transition. Let Curious have his hive, it's pretty useless after losing 20 drones anyway. You can kill roach/hydra/viper with pure stalker/sentry from that spot.


Since he opened oracle and then did the empty third base he also may be trying to to metagame the zerg (the almost universal way to play a generic macro build in the Korean PvZ meta is to open stargate) into thinking he wouldn't do a timing like that.

Still 11 gateways is a bit odd to me.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 21 2015 10:23 GMT
#118
I've taken that base as 3rd before, but I'm Zerg.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 21 2015 10:25 GMT
#119
Leenock just breaks ZvP every time he plays it. Like wtf is going on xD
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 21 2015 10:26 GMT
#120
On July 21 2015 19:25 Pandemona wrote:
Leenock just breaks ZvP every time he plays it. Like wtf is going on xD

this looks like pretty normal ling/infestor/ultra to me, not even a bane nest or greater spire
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
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