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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
July 17 2015 20:00 GMT
#1681
On July 18 2015 04:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:54 Cheren wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:53 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:53 Cheren wrote:
How is Bo5 worse than a finals on a bad map pool with no vetoes?

Define "bad", please


Pretty sure there's a picture of the current map pool in the dictionary under the word. And no vetoes is bad even on a good map pool. Ideally they'd have a bigger pool or repeat 2 maps.

What do you have against this map pool? Just because you can't play captain standard man on every map doesn't make it bad.

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:55 opisska wrote:
This hate on Bo5 finals is just another circlejerk of yours, there is nothing inherently wrong about it. Only some people just can stand when something is not exactly the same all the time. I wonder how you handle when they change the menu at McDonalds.

I'd say Bo7 is too short. I want longer finals, not shorter.

Anything shorter than a Bo69 final should be considered a joke tournament.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
July 17 2015 20:01 GMT
#1682
On July 18 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:55 opisska wrote:
This hate on Bo5 finals is just another circlejerk of yours, there is nothing inherently wrong about it. Only some people just can stand when something is not exactly the same all the time. I wonder how you handle when they change the menu at McDonalds.

The higher the X, the less luck is a meaningful factor to decide the result, thus the more "skill" is important to determine the winner, and surely what we want to do with these competitions is to determine who's the best player of the tournament, not who's the luckiest.
And I try to avoid McDonalds. That shit is tasteless and expensive (relative to the food quality).


There are just too many variables and too many ways you can do it. You will always just find out who is the best in a given format and thus it is for the best to have the tourneys vary, so that different kinds of players can shine.

Do you think Tasteless likes McDonalds?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 17 2015 20:02 GMT
#1683
On July 18 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:55 opisska wrote:
This hate on Bo5 finals is just another circlejerk of yours, there is nothing inherently wrong about it. Only some people just can stand when something is not exactly the same all the time. I wonder how you handle when they change the menu at McDonalds.

The higher the X, the less luck is a meaningful factor to decide the result, thus the more "skill" is important to determine the winner, and surely what we want to do with these competitions is to determine who's the best player of the tournament, not who's the luckiest.
And I try to avoid McDonalds. That shit is tasteless and expensive (relative to the food quality).

Burger King is much better. Nothing like a good Whopper at the end of the week with a large vanilla Coke to wash it down :D
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 17 2015 20:03 GMT
#1684
On July 18 2015 05:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:55 opisska wrote:
This hate on Bo5 finals is just another circlejerk of yours, there is nothing inherently wrong about it. Only some people just can stand when something is not exactly the same all the time. I wonder how you handle when they change the menu at McDonalds.

The higher the X, the less luck is a meaningful factor to decide the result, thus the more "skill" is important to determine the winner, and surely what we want to do with these competitions is to determine who's the best player of the tournament, not who's the luckiest.
And I try to avoid McDonalds. That shit is tasteless and expensive (relative to the food quality).

Burger King is much better. Nothing like a good Whopper at the end of the week with a large vanilla Coke to wash it down :D

This gave me a pulp fiction flash back
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
July 17 2015 20:04 GMT
#1685
On July 18 2015 04:59 Penev wrote:
Patience can't lose this one anymore

Such an "expert"
I Protoss winner, could it be?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 17 2015 20:04 GMT
#1686
Curious looks so unimpressed when he wins
Neosteel Enthusiast
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 17 2015 20:05 GMT
#1687
Poll: Patience vs Curious Game 3?

Terrible (0)
 
0%

Bad (0)
 
0%

Decent (2)
 
29%

Good (3)
 
43%

Awesome! (2)
 
29%

7 total votes

Your vote: Patience vs Curious Game 3?

(Vote): Terrible
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Decent
(Vote): Good
(Vote): Awesome!


Neosteel Enthusiast
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 17 2015 20:05 GMT
#1688
On July 18 2015 05:01 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:55 opisska wrote:
This hate on Bo5 finals is just another circlejerk of yours, there is nothing inherently wrong about it. Only some people just can stand when something is not exactly the same all the time. I wonder how you handle when they change the menu at McDonalds.

The higher the X, the less luck is a meaningful factor to decide the result, thus the more "skill" is important to determine the winner, and surely what we want to do with these competitions is to determine who's the best player of the tournament, not who's the luckiest.
And I try to avoid McDonalds. That shit is tasteless and expensive (relative to the food quality).


There are just too many variables and too many ways you can do it. You will always just find out who is the best in a given format and thus it is for the best to have the tourneys vary, so that different kinds of players can shine.

Do you think Tasteless likes McDonalds?

Hmm not always. Basically think it this way : if in a tournament like GSL all matches were Bo1s, do you think we would always find out who's the best player of the tournament?
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
July 17 2015 20:05 GMT
#1689
Going colossi was retarded... You had to expect ultras. Even if you don't expect them and think it's broodlords, scout carefully. I guess you get that wanky decision making when you always all-in.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-17 20:07:26
July 17 2015 20:07 GMT
#1690
On July 18 2015 05:05 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 05:01 opisska wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:55 opisska wrote:
This hate on Bo5 finals is just another circlejerk of yours, there is nothing inherently wrong about it. Only some people just can stand when something is not exactly the same all the time. I wonder how you handle when they change the menu at McDonalds.

The higher the X, the less luck is a meaningful factor to decide the result, thus the more "skill" is important to determine the winner, and surely what we want to do with these competitions is to determine who's the best player of the tournament, not who's the luckiest.
And I try to avoid McDonalds. That shit is tasteless and expensive (relative to the food quality).


There are just too many variables and too many ways you can do it. You will always just find out who is the best in a given format and thus it is for the best to have the tourneys vary, so that different kinds of players can shine.

Do you think Tasteless likes McDonalds?

Hmm not always. Basically think it this way : if in a tournament like GSL all matches were Bo1s, do you think we would always find out who's the best player of the tournament?

to be fair a tournament rarely crowns the objectively best player. You can lose to a team mate, get an unfortunate series of events in a group of death...
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
July 17 2015 20:07 GMT
#1691
On July 18 2015 05:05 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 05:01 opisska wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:55 opisska wrote:
This hate on Bo5 finals is just another circlejerk of yours, there is nothing inherently wrong about it. Only some people just can stand when something is not exactly the same all the time. I wonder how you handle when they change the menu at McDonalds.

The higher the X, the less luck is a meaningful factor to decide the result, thus the more "skill" is important to determine the winner, and surely what we want to do with these competitions is to determine who's the best player of the tournament, not who's the luckiest.
And I try to avoid McDonalds. That shit is tasteless and expensive (relative to the food quality).


There are just too many variables and too many ways you can do it. You will always just find out who is the best in a given format and thus it is for the best to have the tourneys vary, so that different kinds of players can shine.

Do you think Tasteless likes McDonalds?

Hmm not always. Basically think it this way : if in a tournament like GSL all matches were Bo1s, do you think we would always find out who's the best player of the tournament?


I would surely not be against having one weekend tournament like that, giving money and WCS points. Not the GSL/SSL though, these should be the "best" format we can come up with, because they are the pinnacle of the sport. But one tourney, sure. Pretty much the same as I found it absurd when people fought against IEM WC being winner-takes-all - when it is not the norm, but a minority of tourneys, almost everything should be allowed.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
July 17 2015 20:07 GMT
#1692
Come on Curious, finish him off.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
July 17 2015 20:08 GMT
#1693
14/14
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 17 2015 20:13 GMT
#1694
Guys why did the thread die
Neosteel Enthusiast
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
July 17 2015 20:13 GMT
#1695
Ha ha those Zergs are getting good at this ^^
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 17 2015 20:14 GMT
#1696
On July 18 2015 05:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 05:05 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 18 2015 05:01 opisska wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:55 opisska wrote:
This hate on Bo5 finals is just another circlejerk of yours, there is nothing inherently wrong about it. Only some people just can stand when something is not exactly the same all the time. I wonder how you handle when they change the menu at McDonalds.

The higher the X, the less luck is a meaningful factor to decide the result, thus the more "skill" is important to determine the winner, and surely what we want to do with these competitions is to determine who's the best player of the tournament, not who's the luckiest.
And I try to avoid McDonalds. That shit is tasteless and expensive (relative to the food quality).


There are just too many variables and too many ways you can do it. You will always just find out who is the best in a given format and thus it is for the best to have the tourneys vary, so that different kinds of players can shine.

Do you think Tasteless likes McDonalds?

Hmm not always. Basically think it this way : if in a tournament like GSL all matches were Bo1s, do you think we would always find out who's the best player of the tournament?

to be fair a tournament rarely crowns the objectively best player. You can lose to a team mate, get an unfortunate series of events in a group of death...

I agree on that, I'm not saying that GSL format is perfect. However given the constraints like time (which is main limiting factor that prevents things like Bo5 in the GSL groups), GSL does a good job in that regard. However I don't see what would be the issue for DH to start their damn event 40 minutes earlier and make a Bo7 final. But well.

On July 18 2015 05:07 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 05:05 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 18 2015 05:01 opisska wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:55 opisska wrote:
This hate on Bo5 finals is just another circlejerk of yours, there is nothing inherently wrong about it. Only some people just can stand when something is not exactly the same all the time. I wonder how you handle when they change the menu at McDonalds.

The higher the X, the less luck is a meaningful factor to decide the result, thus the more "skill" is important to determine the winner, and surely what we want to do with these competitions is to determine who's the best player of the tournament, not who's the luckiest.
And I try to avoid McDonalds. That shit is tasteless and expensive (relative to the food quality).


There are just too many variables and too many ways you can do it. You will always just find out who is the best in a given format and thus it is for the best to have the tourneys vary, so that different kinds of players can shine.

Do you think Tasteless likes McDonalds?

Hmm not always. Basically think it this way : if in a tournament like GSL all matches were Bo1s, do you think we would always find out who's the best player of the tournament?


I would surely not be against having one weekend tournament like that, giving money and WCS points. Not the GSL/SSL though, these should be the "best" format we can come up with, because they are the pinnacle of the sport. But one tourney, sure. Pretty much the same as I found it absurd when people fought against IEM WC being winner-takes-all - when it is not the norm, but a minority of tourneys, almost everything should be allowed.

Hmm I see, OK. Yeah I can see where you're coming from, but without thinking about WCS and this kind of things, a tournament with low X in BoX will always be seen as less prestigious/important than one with a higher X.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
July 17 2015 20:14 GMT
#1697
Well, Curious played retardedly greedy. Deserved loss.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 17 2015 20:14 GMT
#1698
Patience gonna 2-2 this it looks like
Neosteel Enthusiast
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 17 2015 20:14 GMT
#1699
On July 18 2015 05:13 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Guys why did the thread die

All the casuals left yo
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 17 2015 20:15 GMT
#1700
so the final might start before midnight local?
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