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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 14:43:10
June 22 2015 14:31 GMT
#401
By the way with his win Maru almost secured himself a spot in KeSPA Cup. Taking the ranking they showed during the broadcast, it seems this time they'll only consider round 3 (and no playoffs) for seeding. Realistically, fighting for spots would therefore be:

Maru 5-2
soO 4-0
Life 4-2
Zest 4-3
GuMiho 3-0
HerO 3-0
DRG 3-1
Bomber 3-2
Flash 3-2
(3 win guys basically need ace match wins though to be certain)

Stats and INno (both 3-1) not fielded this week so out of luck (I guess if INno wins an ace match and soO loses against Myungsik INno could tie with him).

Not sure what happens if there's a tie by the way.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 14:41:59
June 22 2015 14:41 GMT
#402
nvm
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 22 2015 14:50 GMT
#403
rofl, Solar 1-13?!

How bad is this gonna get
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 22 2015 14:56 GMT
#404
On June 22 2015 23:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
rofl, Solar 1-13?!

How bad is this gonna get

Never ask that about a KHAN player.
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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 18:05:33
June 22 2015 18:04 GMT
#405
Stork was a great BW player but I question his coaching decisions... I've questioned them for a long time and Solar for ACE doesn't help any. There are so many better choices there. You're playing on a map that sucks for Terran yet you know you're facing either Maru (despite the map because he's that good) or Rogue... and you choose Solar? Why would you do that? He has a worst shot at taking down Maru (even on this map) and Rogue in a ZvZ (Solar's worst match up). It just doesn't compute. Yes, I know he used to be good but he isn't anymore. I can understand giving one of your old-star players more shots than they probably deserve because you're sentimental and want to break them out into what they used to be. We see this all the time with MVP and MarineKing but come on... There has to be a breaking point where you say "Okay you've lost almost every single game you've played... if you want to get TV time, you'll have to earn it like everyone else". You ESPECIALLY don't play a guy like this in an ACE match and ESPECIALLY don't play them when your playoffs are on the line. It's just poor poor decision making. Even if he wins that match I'd disagree with the pick unless he has a super-snipe build which I don't see happening on this map ZvT vs Maru and especially in a ZvZ.

While I'm on this topic, why don't you send a guy like Hurricane out more? This guy is on the rise being solid in Proleague (especially by Samsung standards) and qualifying for the Sbenu Starleague S2 just a couple months back showing great games (I saw them all and this guy has some serious talent) including a 3-0 on Rogue and 1-2 to Maru. Even he seems like a much more viable option than Solar here.

Granted, I'm not in the team house and see how everything is going but from where I'm sitting, Samsung needs some better decision making. I love Stork, I've met him and he's a super nice guy but when you're a coach you really need to do what's best for your team's results. That's how you keep your sponsors happy and guess what, if you're team is winning your players will be more driven and happy as well.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 22 2015 18:09 GMT
#406
On June 23 2015 03:04 G5 wrote:
Stork was a great BW player but I question his coaching decisions... I've questioned them for a long time and Solar for ACE doesn't help any. There are so many better choices there. You're playing on a map that sucks for Terran yet you know you're facing either Maru (despite the map because he's that good) or Rogue... and you choose Solar? Why would you do that? He has a worst shot at taking down Maru (even on this map) and Rogue in a ZvZ (Solar's worst match up). It just doesn't compute. Yes, I know he used to be good but he isn't anymore. I can understand giving one of your old-star players more shots than they probably deserve because you're sentimental and want to break them out into what they used to be. We see this all the time with MVP and MarineKing but come on... There has to be a breaking point where you say "Okay you've lost almost every single game you've played... if you want to get TV time, you'll have to earn it like everyone else". You ESPECIALLY don't play a guy like this in an ACE match and ESPECIALLY don't play them when your playoffs are on the line. It's just poor poor decision making. Even if he wins that match I'd disagree with the pick unless he has a super-snipe build which I don't see happening on this map ZvT vs Maru and especially in a ZvZ.

While I'm on this topic, why don't you send a guy like Hurricane out more? This guy is on the rise being solid in Proleague (especially by Samsung standards) and qualifying for the Sbenu Starleague S2 just a couple months back showing great games (I saw them all and this guy has some serious talent) including a 3-0 on Rogue and 1-2 to Maru. Even he seems like a much more viable option than Solar here.

Granted, I'm not in the team house and see how everything is going but from where I'm sitting, Samsung needs some better decision making. I love Stork, I've met him and he's a super nice guy but when you're a coach you really need to do what's best for your team's results. That's how you keep your sponsors happy and guess what, if you're team is winning your players will be more driven and happy as well.

Honestly, I also sometimes wonder why Solar was sent out. I'm sure that it's due to internal rankings.
I haven't been able to watch the games, but were they usually his opponent reading him, or is Solar not as good as he used to be?
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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
June 22 2015 18:15 GMT
#407
On June 23 2015 03:09 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 03:04 G5 wrote:
Stork was a great BW player but I question his coaching decisions... I've questioned them for a long time and Solar for ACE doesn't help any. There are so many better choices there. You're playing on a map that sucks for Terran yet you know you're facing either Maru (despite the map because he's that good) or Rogue... and you choose Solar? Why would you do that? He has a worst shot at taking down Maru (even on this map) and Rogue in a ZvZ (Solar's worst match up). It just doesn't compute. Yes, I know he used to be good but he isn't anymore. I can understand giving one of your old-star players more shots than they probably deserve because you're sentimental and want to break them out into what they used to be. We see this all the time with MVP and MarineKing but come on... There has to be a breaking point where you say "Okay you've lost almost every single game you've played... if you want to get TV time, you'll have to earn it like everyone else". You ESPECIALLY don't play a guy like this in an ACE match and ESPECIALLY don't play them when your playoffs are on the line. It's just poor poor decision making. Even if he wins that match I'd disagree with the pick unless he has a super-snipe build which I don't see happening on this map ZvT vs Maru and especially in a ZvZ.

While I'm on this topic, why don't you send a guy like Hurricane out more? This guy is on the rise being solid in Proleague (especially by Samsung standards) and qualifying for the Sbenu Starleague S2 just a couple months back showing great games (I saw them all and this guy has some serious talent) including a 3-0 on Rogue and 1-2 to Maru. Even he seems like a much more viable option than Solar here.

Granted, I'm not in the team house and see how everything is going but from where I'm sitting, Samsung needs some better decision making. I love Stork, I've met him and he's a super nice guy but when you're a coach you really need to do what's best for your team's results. That's how you keep your sponsors happy and guess what, if you're team is winning your players will be more driven and happy as well.

Honestly, I also sometimes wonder why Solar was sent out. I'm sure that it's due to internal rankings.
I haven't been able to watch the games, but were they usually his opponent reading him, or is Solar not as good as he used to be?


I wouldn't say Solar is worst than he used to be. He looks the same but that's a problem. As a game progresses and gets older, the community naturally gets better. I would say he's just been surpassed and is now far worst in comparison to his competition as a whole. I don't know if he just doesn't theorycraft enough, practice things outside his comfort-zone, or what the problem is but he seems to have just not changed and everyone else has naturally gotten better and surpassed him. He is also just a super predictable player and that's a problem in Korean league formats where you prepare for your opponent. Foreign tournaments you can get away with it because it's like playing the ladder (numerous opponents/matches in a day) but in Korean tournaments, you can't get away with being overly predictable and never evolving. Not one bit.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37109 Posts
June 22 2015 21:08 GMT
#408
On June 23 2015 03:04 G5 wrote:
Stork was a great BW player but I question his coaching decisions...

Stork alone does not make the ace decision though. There is an actual coaching staff and even though Stork is a part of that as a playing coach, he does not make the ultimate decisions by himself.
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