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Austria24417 Posts
On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote: Isn't Zest the full package Protoss? Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT He does, better than most He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players
And yet he knows the matchup better than most others. The only protoss who consistently beats top terrans convincingly is parting. Zest isn't worse than anybody except him in PvT
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On May 04 2015 22:12 Swisslink wrote: The ZvZvZvZ dream is dead :-(
if by dream you mean nightmare, then yes. A new bright day has started.
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herO so gosu Happy to see Soulkey playing really well though
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On May 04 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote: Isn't Zest the full package Protoss? Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT He does, better than most He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players And yet he knows the matchup better than most others. The only protoss who consistently beats top terrans convincingly is parting. Zest isn't worse than anybody except him in PvT I'm not speaking about winrates...
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On May 04 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote: Isn't Zest the full package Protoss? Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT He does, better than most He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players And yet he knows the matchup better than most others. The only protoss who consistently beats top terrans convincingly is parting. Zest isn't worse than anybody except him in PvT herO generally does slightly better than Zest vs T, no?
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herO is the best pvz after all
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On May 04 2015 22:15 TheAnarchy wrote: herO is the best pvz after all he got pretty lucky with builds
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On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote: Isn't Zest the full package Protoss? Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT He does, better than most He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players Which can be attributed to other top P players having not as good PvX
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good try by soulkey. i think it's extra stress to reform and recalculate your gameplan when you have an obvious strategy in your mind already. having a forward base like that often means you can rally and kill when your opponent is placed against the ropes.
hindsight is that i was hoping he'd invest in some defence for his 4th, even static D. he knew that hero was desperate at that point and loves his warp prism play in order to draw par.
faster upgrades and faster vipers, obviously because you know at worse that hero is transitioning at the same time that you are.
this is all at a risk of getting outplayed in a late game minus a potential gold base and i really think that soulkey felt he was in a much better spot than he actually was.
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MyuNgSiK, save us from the all things zerg
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On May 04 2015 22:16 Fuell wrote:he got pretty lucky with builds I dont think it was luck the way he micro the stalkers and the way he snipped the fourth. He is the best player in the world period
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On May 04 2015 22:09 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:08 SWAT-Kat wrote: Has there been an official ban on using any kind of hive tech? I don't understand why I have seen SoulKey use only roach-hydra from start to finish.
Aside from vipers, that is because other than vipers, hive tech is useless. Both ultras and brood lords are very expensive to make work, it's not as simple as puttin the tech building and pumping them out.
Hmm, that's a shame. Wouldn't it have been a good idea for him to have a few infestors and mix in some zerglings that last game? There was no collosus tech. Or is this only feasible in theory? I just feel like SoulKey needed to tweak his tech/army composition instead of continuing to engage mobile blink stalkers with his "putty blob" of roach-hydra.
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On May 04 2015 22:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:if by dream you mean nightmare, then yes. A new bright day has started. wow
wanna get proxy hatched?
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On May 04 2015 22:20 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:16 Fuell wrote:On May 04 2015 22:15 TheAnarchy wrote: herO is the best pvz after all he got pretty lucky with builds I dont think it was luck the way he micro the stalkers and the way he snipped the fourth. He is the best player in the world period
No, no, you got it all wrong. When zerg or terran player wins its all skill, if protoss wins its just all luck/imba blink/imba ff and he should play a real race .
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On May 04 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote: Isn't Zest the full package Protoss? Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT He does, better than most He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players And yet he knows the matchup better than most others. The only protoss who consistently beats top terrans convincingly is parting. Zest isn't worse than anybody except him in PvT How can you forget herO? ~_~
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On May 04 2015 22:21 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:On May 04 2015 22:12 Swisslink wrote: The ZvZvZvZ dream is dead :-( if by dream you mean nightmare, then yes. A new bright day has started. wow wanna get proxy hatched? I think he should get proxy gated and then roach dropped for his sins
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Austria24417 Posts
On May 04 2015 22:23 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote: Isn't Zest the full package Protoss? Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT He does, better than most He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players And yet he knows the matchup better than most others. The only protoss who consistently beats top terrans convincingly is parting. Zest isn't worse than anybody except him in PvT How can you forget herO? ~_~
Because he loses to top terrans just as much as Zest does.
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On May 04 2015 22:17 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote: Isn't Zest the full package Protoss? Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT He does, better than most He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players Which can be attributed to other top P players having not as good PvX My sentence wasn't clear so I try to reformulate. It goes like: you can have a worse understanding of a match-up yet have better performances than an overall weaker player with a stronger understanding of said match-up.
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On May 04 2015 22:24 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:21 Alchemik wrote:On May 04 2015 22:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:On May 04 2015 22:12 Swisslink wrote: The ZvZvZvZ dream is dead :-( if by dream you mean nightmare, then yes. A new bright day has started. wow wanna get proxy hatched? I think he should get proxy gated and then roach dropped for his sins he's Protoss, I can only roach/hydra drop off of 3 bases, that's not as cool
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Austria24417 Posts
On May 04 2015 22:25 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 22:17 OtherWorld wrote:On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote: Isn't Zest the full package Protoss? Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT He does, better than most He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players Which can be attributed to other top P players having not as good PvX My sentence wasn't clear so I try to reformulate. It goes like: you can have a worse understanding of a match-up yet have better performances than an overall weaker player with a stronger understanding of said match-up.
Yeah, and Zest's understanding of PvT is very good. His winrates don't show it.
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