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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
May 04 2015 13:13 GMT
#1381
On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote:
Isn't Zest the full package Protoss?

Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT


He does, better than most

He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players


And yet he knows the matchup better than most others. The only protoss who consistently beats top terrans convincingly is parting. Zest isn't worse than anybody except him in PvT
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2235 Posts
May 04 2015 13:13 GMT
#1382
On May 04 2015 22:12 Swisslink wrote:
The ZvZvZvZ dream is dead :-(


if by dream you mean nightmare, then yes. A new bright day has started.
Cogito, ergo Toss
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
May 04 2015 13:13 GMT
#1383
herO so gosu
Happy to see Soulkey playing really well though
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 04 2015 13:14 GMT
#1384
On May 04 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote:
Isn't Zest the full package Protoss?

Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT


He does, better than most

He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players


And yet he knows the matchup better than most others. The only protoss who consistently beats top terrans convincingly is parting. Zest isn't worse than anybody except him in PvT

I'm not speaking about winrates...
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55554 Posts
May 04 2015 13:14 GMT
#1385
On May 04 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote:
Isn't Zest the full package Protoss?

Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT


He does, better than most

He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players


And yet he knows the matchup better than most others. The only protoss who consistently beats top terrans convincingly is parting. Zest isn't worse than anybody except him in PvT

herO generally does slightly better than Zest vs T, no?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
May 04 2015 13:15 GMT
#1386
herO is the best pvz after all
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
May 04 2015 13:16 GMT
#1387
On May 04 2015 22:15 TheAnarchy wrote:
herO is the best pvz after all

he got pretty lucky with builds
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 04 2015 13:17 GMT
#1388
On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote:
Isn't Zest the full package Protoss?

Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT


He does, better than most

He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players

Which can be attributed to other top P players having not as good PvX
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
May 04 2015 13:18 GMT
#1389
good try by soulkey.
i think it's extra stress to reform and recalculate your gameplan when you have an obvious strategy in your mind already.
having a forward base like that often means you can rally and kill when your opponent is placed against the ropes.

hindsight is that i was hoping he'd invest in some defence for his 4th, even static D.
he knew that hero was desperate at that point and loves his warp prism play in order to draw par.

faster upgrades and faster vipers, obviously because you know at worse that hero is transitioning at the same time that you are.

this is all at a risk of getting outplayed in a late game minus a potential gold base and i really think that soulkey felt he was in a much better spot than he actually was.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
May 04 2015 13:20 GMT
#1390
MyuNgSiK, save us from the all things zerg
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
May 04 2015 13:20 GMT
#1391
On May 04 2015 22:16 Fuell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:15 TheAnarchy wrote:
herO is the best pvz after all

he got pretty lucky with builds


I dont think it was luck the way he micro the stalkers and the way he snipped the fourth. He is the best player in the world period
SWAT-Kat
Profile Joined July 2011
United States311 Posts
May 04 2015 13:20 GMT
#1392
On May 04 2015 22:09 Ej_ wrote:
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On May 04 2015 22:08 SWAT-Kat wrote:
Has there been an official ban on using any kind of hive tech? I don't understand why I have seen SoulKey use only roach-hydra from start to finish.

Aside from vipers, that is

because other than vipers, hive tech is useless. Both ultras and brood lords are very expensive to make work, it's not as simple as puttin the tech building and pumping them out.


Hmm, that's a shame. Wouldn't it have been a good idea for him to have a few infestors and mix in some zerglings that last game? There was no collosus tech. Or is this only feasible in theory? I just feel like SoulKey needed to tweak his tech/army composition instead of continuing to engage mobile blink stalkers with his "putty blob" of roach-hydra.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
May 04 2015 13:21 GMT
#1393
On May 04 2015 22:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:12 Swisslink wrote:
The ZvZvZvZ dream is dead :-(


if by dream you mean nightmare, then yes. A new bright day has started.

wow

wanna get proxy hatched?
leny100
Profile Joined May 2012
20 Posts
May 04 2015 13:22 GMT
#1394
On May 04 2015 22:20 TheAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:16 Fuell wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:15 TheAnarchy wrote:
herO is the best pvz after all

he got pretty lucky with builds


I dont think it was luck the way he micro the stalkers and the way he snipped the fourth. He is the best player in the world period



No, no, you got it all wrong. When zerg or terran player wins its all skill, if protoss wins its just all luck/imba blink/imba ff and he should play a real race .
How appropriate. You fight like a cow.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
May 04 2015 13:23 GMT
#1395
On May 04 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote:
Isn't Zest the full package Protoss?

Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT


He does, better than most

He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players


And yet he knows the matchup better than most others. The only protoss who consistently beats top terrans convincingly is parting. Zest isn't worse than anybody except him in PvT

How can you forget herO? ~_~
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 04 2015 13:24 GMT
#1396
On May 04 2015 22:21 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:12 Swisslink wrote:
The ZvZvZvZ dream is dead :-(


if by dream you mean nightmare, then yes. A new bright day has started.

wow

wanna get proxy hatched?

I think he should get proxy gated and then roach dropped for his sins
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
May 04 2015 13:24 GMT
#1397
On May 04 2015 22:23 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote:
Isn't Zest the full package Protoss?

Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT


He does, better than most

He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players


And yet he knows the matchup better than most others. The only protoss who consistently beats top terrans convincingly is parting. Zest isn't worse than anybody except him in PvT

How can you forget herO? ~_~


Because he loses to top terrans just as much as Zest does.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 04 2015 13:25 GMT
#1398
On May 04 2015 22:17 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote:
Isn't Zest the full package Protoss?

Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT


He does, better than most

He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players

Which can be attributed to other top P players having not as good PvX

My sentence wasn't clear so I try to reformulate. It goes like: you can have a worse understanding of a match-up yet have better performances than an overall weaker player with a stronger understanding of said match-up.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
May 04 2015 13:25 GMT
#1399
On May 04 2015 22:24 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:21 Alchemik wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:12 Swisslink wrote:
The ZvZvZvZ dream is dead :-(


if by dream you mean nightmare, then yes. A new bright day has started.

wow

wanna get proxy hatched?

I think he should get proxy gated and then roach dropped for his sins

he's Protoss, I can only roach/hydra drop off of 3 bases, that's not as cool
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
May 04 2015 13:26 GMT
#1400
On May 04 2015 22:25 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 22:17 OtherWorld wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:11 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:47 TheDwf wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:46 ejozl wrote:
Isn't Zest the full package Protoss?

Nope, otherwise he would know how to play PvT


He does, better than most

He has the worst PvT : PvX ratio of all top P players

Which can be attributed to other top P players having not as good PvX

My sentence wasn't clear so I try to reformulate. It goes like: you can have a worse understanding of a match-up yet have better performances than an overall weaker player with a stronger understanding of said match-up.


Yeah, and Zest's understanding of PvT is very good. His winrates don't show it.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
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