• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:12
CET 08:12
KST 16:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book13Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)1Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker7PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)10Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2
StarCraft 2
General
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Terran Scanner Sweep How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game?
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 512 Overclocked The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
YouTube Thread US Politics Mega-thread Sex and weight loss Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2047 users

[IEM Season IX] Katowice - Day 2 - Page 6

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 133 Next
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 13 2015 06:03 GMT
#101
Flash hype!
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 06:12:58
March 13 2015 06:06 GMT
#102
On March 13 2015 13:30 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 05:54 Elentos wrote:
On March 13 2015 05:53 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 13 2015 05:41 geokilla wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:48 Caihead wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:46 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:39 geokilla wrote:
I don't understand how these players all have a positive win percentage. I have never seen a player with negative win percentage for some reason..

How do you want a negative win percentage to be possible? O_o


Naniwa

Really though I think he's just talking about 50%

I am talking about 50% and under. Watching Proleague, GSL Code A, whatever, I don't think I've ever seen a player have below 50% win rate. Surely someone has a negative win percentage right?

Solar 0-6 round 1 PL.
FlaSh 1-6 R1 PL.
EffOrt was like 0-6 last season before he murdered every Terran in his path in the R3 playoffs.
Only one player from Prime had a >50% WR in last season of PL. So actually there are a whole bunch of players with a <50% WR in ProLeague. Now in individual leagues it's seen less often, mostly because if you want to make it through a qualifier you have to beat at least 4 other players, which impacts your WR pretty significantly (and even more so with KR players since they don't play in many online cups).

I think he means overall winrate for Proleague? Not sure <.<, but there are examples of that aswell, like DeParture who I already mentioned.

Yes I was talking about overall win rates against opponent races. Like the lifetime TvZ or TvP or TvT stat. Not just the win rate for the season or league. I guess I should have mentioned that? I mean, even foreigners seem to have a positive lifetime win rate. If that's the case, then who's in the negatives?!


It's survivor bias. The guys with negative lifetime win rates never get in your radar. It's similar to poker. All poker pros, even the bad ones, have positive lifetime winnings, otherwise they would not have played for a living. The losers are casual players who blow away all their chips for fun on Friday nights.

If you go to aligulac ranking, find people with rank 500 or lower. They have negative win rates, and only play a handful of matches that were put in aligulac database. They are the casual losers in SC2
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
March 13 2015 06:13 GMT
#103
Expecting herO,Maru,Flash,Bbyong to advance...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
March 13 2015 06:18 GMT
#104
I don't really care what happens in this tournament afterwards, but please Santa, all I want for Christmas is for Flash to beat Trap and play Fantasy in a bo5.

Since the moment I saw the bracket, this possible Flash v Fantasy series is what I've been getting especially hyped about, even with all the other great matchups and impressive field of players.
(>'.')>
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 13 2015 06:24 GMT
#105
On March 13 2015 15:06 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 13:30 geokilla wrote:
On March 13 2015 05:54 Elentos wrote:
On March 13 2015 05:53 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 13 2015 05:41 geokilla wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:48 Caihead wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:46 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:39 geokilla wrote:
I don't understand how these players all have a positive win percentage. I have never seen a player with negative win percentage for some reason..

How do you want a negative win percentage to be possible? O_o


Naniwa

Really though I think he's just talking about 50%

I am talking about 50% and under. Watching Proleague, GSL Code A, whatever, I don't think I've ever seen a player have below 50% win rate. Surely someone has a negative win percentage right?

Solar 0-6 round 1 PL.
FlaSh 1-6 R1 PL.
EffOrt was like 0-6 last season before he murdered every Terran in his path in the R3 playoffs.
Only one player from Prime had a >50% WR in last season of PL. So actually there are a whole bunch of players with a <50% WR in ProLeague. Now in individual leagues it's seen less often, mostly because if you want to make it through a qualifier you have to beat at least 4 other players, which impacts your WR pretty significantly (and even more so with KR players since they don't play in many online cups).

I think he means overall winrate for Proleague? Not sure <.<, but there are examples of that aswell, like DeParture who I already mentioned.

Yes I was talking about overall win rates against opponent races. Like the lifetime TvZ or TvP or TvT stat. Not just the win rate for the season or league. I guess I should have mentioned that? I mean, even foreigners seem to have a positive lifetime win rate. If that's the case, then who's in the negatives?!


It's survivor bias. The guys with negative lifetime win rates never get in your radar. It's similar to poker. All poker pros, even the bad ones, have positive lifetime winnings, otherwise they would not have played for a living. The losers are casual players who blow away all their chips for fun on Friday nights.

If you go to aligulac ranking, find people with rank 500 or lower. They have negative win rates, and only play a handful of matches that were put in aligulac database. They are the casual losers in SC2

Yup, to illustrates that here are examples of KR players being with sub50% WR :
http://aligulac.com/players/1748-Nette/
http://aligulac.com/players/2560-TerrOr/
http://aligulac.com/players/5016-TANGTANG/
http://aligulac.com/players/2053-Zoun/
http://aligulac.com/players/5007-StuN/
And then there are some who are just flying less than 1,5% above the 50% line :
http://aligulac.com/players/1664-Shine/
http://aligulac.com/players/62-Shine/
http://aligulac.com/players/1517-Bunny/

You can see that most of them never did anything worthy of mention in individual leagues
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
xrayEU
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden571 Posts
March 13 2015 06:26 GMT
#106
Hyped for day2!

(T)Maru 3-1 (P)Patience
(T)Bbyong 2-3 (Z)Solar
(P)herO[jOin] 3-2 (T)Cure
(T)Flash 3-2 (P)Trap
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
March 13 2015 06:51 GMT
#107
3-1 so far. Thanks, Life.

(T)Maru 3 - 0 (P)Patience
(T)Bbyong 3 - 1 (Z)Solar
(T)Cure 3 - 2 (P)herO
(T)Flash 3 - 1 (P)Trap
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
TriZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Belgium379 Posts
March 13 2015 07:13 GMT
#108
On March 13 2015 15:51 Fionn wrote:
3-1 so far. Thanks, Life.

(T)Maru 3 - 0 (P)Patience
(T)Bbyong 3 - 1 (Z)Solar
(T)Cure 3 - 2 (P)herO
(T)Flash 3 - 1 (P)Trap


That seems like a lovely prediction for Terran fans. I like it.
Estancia
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)335 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 07:37:31
March 13 2015 07:37 GMT
#109
(T)Maru 3 - 0 (P)Patience
(T)Bbyong 3 - 1 (Z)Solar
(P)herO 3 - 1 (T)Cure
(T)Flash 3 - 1 (P)Trap

Someone need to carry the protoss race, and that will be herO
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
March 13 2015 07:52 GMT
#110
(T)Maru 3-1 (P)Patience
(T)Bbyong 3-2 (Z)Solar
(P)herO 3-2 (T)Cure
(T)Flash 1-3 (P)Trap

Yep I have no faith in God.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
March 13 2015 08:02 GMT
#111
im disappointed flash's gif isn't him with a ruler
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
March 13 2015 08:36 GMT
#112
Bbyong looking good in that GIF, very cute smile ! FlaSh not looking impressed at all, same for Maru. Patience, Trap and Cure all look kinda nervous. herO seems nervous too, but also very focused (and unfortunately not smiling).

Btw, amazing OP's, congrats and thanks Lorning !

My predictions:
Maru 3-0 or 3-1 vs Patience, EZ.
Bbyong 3-1 or 3-2 Solar. Can't wait to see if Bbyongjwa has something special prepared, if Solar is out of his slump, etc.
herO 3-1 or 3-2 Cure. herO has the best PvT ihmo, I think he would be favored against any terran. Cure is good and could upset, but I don't see it happening. Maybe if he prepared really well...
FlaSh v Trap is gonna be close (I hope). Trap is playing super well lately, but FlaSh is God, and I'm a believer. FlaSh 3-2 or maybe 3-1 even.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
March 13 2015 08:54 GMT
#113
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 09:00:51
March 13 2015 08:59 GMT
#114
All I really want is Solar to advance. Please.


EDIT:

Btw, those OP's are awesome, Lorning. First LR bonjwa?
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
March 13 2015 08:59 GMT
#115
On March 13 2015 17:54 Noonius wrote:
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran


Looking at your signature, I'm really confused. How can you be both a terran lover and a Maru hater ? Maru embodies everything that is terran in sc2: crazy multitasking, amazing unit control, hyper aggressivity, etc
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 09:02:19
March 13 2015 09:00 GMT
#116
I expect mine drops. Many mine drops, with all kinds of different success rates.
On March 13 2015 17:59 LoneYoShi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 17:54 Noonius wrote:
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran


Looking at your signature, I'm really confused. How can you be both a terran lover and a Maru hater ? Maru embodies everything that is terran in sc2: crazy multitasking, amazing unit control, hyper aggressivity, etc

I love Terran, for example, but Maru gets so much hype that I don't care about him that much, although I respect how good he is.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
March 13 2015 09:05 GMT
#117
On March 13 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
I expect mine drops. Many mine drops, with all kinds of different success rates.
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 17:59 LoneYoShi wrote:
On March 13 2015 17:54 Noonius wrote:
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran


Looking at your signature, I'm really confused. How can you be both a terran lover and a Maru hater ? Maru embodies everything that is terran in sc2: crazy multitasking, amazing unit control, hyper aggressivity, etc

I love Terran, for example, but Maru gets so much hype that I don't care about him that much, although I respect how good he is.


Ok, that actually makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up !
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
March 13 2015 09:10 GMT
#118
On March 13 2015 18:05 LoneYoShi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
I expect mine drops. Many mine drops, with all kinds of different success rates.
On March 13 2015 17:59 LoneYoShi wrote:
On March 13 2015 17:54 Noonius wrote:
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran


Looking at your signature, I'm really confused. How can you be both a terran lover and a Maru hater ? Maru embodies everything that is terran in sc2: crazy multitasking, amazing unit control, hyper aggressivity, etc

I love Terran, for example, but Maru gets so much hype that I don't care about him that much, although I respect how good he is.


Ok, that actually makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up !

Well that's only my perspective, I'm thinking Noonius wouldn't even agree to that, considering he says he "hates" Maru and called him a "cheese terran" <.<.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
March 13 2015 09:12 GMT
#119
On March 13 2015 18:10 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 18:05 LoneYoShi wrote:
On March 13 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
I expect mine drops. Many mine drops, with all kinds of different success rates.
On March 13 2015 17:59 LoneYoShi wrote:
On March 13 2015 17:54 Noonius wrote:
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran


Looking at your signature, I'm really confused. How can you be both a terran lover and a Maru hater ? Maru embodies everything that is terran in sc2: crazy multitasking, amazing unit control, hyper aggressivity, etc

I love Terran, for example, but Maru gets so much hype that I don't care about him that much, although I respect how good he is.


Ok, that actually makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up !

Well that's only my perspective, I'm thinking Noonius wouldn't even agree to that, considering he says he "hates" Maru and called him a "cheese terran" <.<.


Oh yeah I didn't realise you weren't him... -_-
I should really check people's ID more often ^^
I guess we'll see his point of view if/when he responds !
dehydrogenaza
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland122 Posts
March 13 2015 09:16 GMT
#120
TBH I hate these flashy over-the-top OPs :-P Especially the Results section is just form over function.

Anyway, previous day had better potential but somewhat failed to deliver (I don't mean the games were horrible, but not super memorable), so today maybe it will be the other way round and we'll have some amazing matches.
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 133 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 48m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 157
ProTech128
FoxeR 53
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 366
actioN 263
Leta 215
PianO 115
Mong 60
Noble 21
soO 17
Sacsri 14
Icarus 9
zelot 7
Dota 2
XaKoH 279
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv541
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King199
Other Games
summit1g7828
WinterStarcraft520
C9.Mang0336
Tasteless196
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick652
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1527
• Lourlo1186
• Stunt506
• HappyZerGling107
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 48m
LiuLi Cup
3h 48m
Clem vs Rogue
SHIN vs Cyan
Replay Cast
16h 48m
The PondCast
1d 2h
KCM Race Survival
1d 2h
LiuLi Cup
1d 3h
Scarlett vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Online Event
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Serral vs Zoun
Cure vs Classic
Big Brain Bouts
2 days
Serral vs TBD
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-09
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.