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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 13 2015 06:03 GMT
#101
Flash hype!
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 06:12:58
March 13 2015 06:06 GMT
#102
On March 13 2015 13:30 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 05:54 Elentos wrote:
On March 13 2015 05:53 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 13 2015 05:41 geokilla wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:48 Caihead wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:46 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:39 geokilla wrote:
I don't understand how these players all have a positive win percentage. I have never seen a player with negative win percentage for some reason..

How do you want a negative win percentage to be possible? O_o


Naniwa

Really though I think he's just talking about 50%

I am talking about 50% and under. Watching Proleague, GSL Code A, whatever, I don't think I've ever seen a player have below 50% win rate. Surely someone has a negative win percentage right?

Solar 0-6 round 1 PL.
FlaSh 1-6 R1 PL.
EffOrt was like 0-6 last season before he murdered every Terran in his path in the R3 playoffs.
Only one player from Prime had a >50% WR in last season of PL. So actually there are a whole bunch of players with a <50% WR in ProLeague. Now in individual leagues it's seen less often, mostly because if you want to make it through a qualifier you have to beat at least 4 other players, which impacts your WR pretty significantly (and even more so with KR players since they don't play in many online cups).

I think he means overall winrate for Proleague? Not sure <.<, but there are examples of that aswell, like DeParture who I already mentioned.

Yes I was talking about overall win rates against opponent races. Like the lifetime TvZ or TvP or TvT stat. Not just the win rate for the season or league. I guess I should have mentioned that? I mean, even foreigners seem to have a positive lifetime win rate. If that's the case, then who's in the negatives?!


It's survivor bias. The guys with negative lifetime win rates never get in your radar. It's similar to poker. All poker pros, even the bad ones, have positive lifetime winnings, otherwise they would not have played for a living. The losers are casual players who blow away all their chips for fun on Friday nights.

If you go to aligulac ranking, find people with rank 500 or lower. They have negative win rates, and only play a handful of matches that were put in aligulac database. They are the casual losers in SC2
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
March 13 2015 06:13 GMT
#103
Expecting herO,Maru,Flash,Bbyong to advance...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
March 13 2015 06:18 GMT
#104
I don't really care what happens in this tournament afterwards, but please Santa, all I want for Christmas is for Flash to beat Trap and play Fantasy in a bo5.

Since the moment I saw the bracket, this possible Flash v Fantasy series is what I've been getting especially hyped about, even with all the other great matchups and impressive field of players.
(>'.')>
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 13 2015 06:24 GMT
#105
On March 13 2015 15:06 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 13:30 geokilla wrote:
On March 13 2015 05:54 Elentos wrote:
On March 13 2015 05:53 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 13 2015 05:41 geokilla wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:48 Caihead wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:46 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:39 geokilla wrote:
I don't understand how these players all have a positive win percentage. I have never seen a player with negative win percentage for some reason..

How do you want a negative win percentage to be possible? O_o


Naniwa

Really though I think he's just talking about 50%

I am talking about 50% and under. Watching Proleague, GSL Code A, whatever, I don't think I've ever seen a player have below 50% win rate. Surely someone has a negative win percentage right?

Solar 0-6 round 1 PL.
FlaSh 1-6 R1 PL.
EffOrt was like 0-6 last season before he murdered every Terran in his path in the R3 playoffs.
Only one player from Prime had a >50% WR in last season of PL. So actually there are a whole bunch of players with a <50% WR in ProLeague. Now in individual leagues it's seen less often, mostly because if you want to make it through a qualifier you have to beat at least 4 other players, which impacts your WR pretty significantly (and even more so with KR players since they don't play in many online cups).

I think he means overall winrate for Proleague? Not sure <.<, but there are examples of that aswell, like DeParture who I already mentioned.

Yes I was talking about overall win rates against opponent races. Like the lifetime TvZ or TvP or TvT stat. Not just the win rate for the season or league. I guess I should have mentioned that? I mean, even foreigners seem to have a positive lifetime win rate. If that's the case, then who's in the negatives?!


It's survivor bias. The guys with negative lifetime win rates never get in your radar. It's similar to poker. All poker pros, even the bad ones, have positive lifetime winnings, otherwise they would not have played for a living. The losers are casual players who blow away all their chips for fun on Friday nights.

If you go to aligulac ranking, find people with rank 500 or lower. They have negative win rates, and only play a handful of matches that were put in aligulac database. They are the casual losers in SC2

Yup, to illustrates that here are examples of KR players being with sub50% WR :
http://aligulac.com/players/1748-Nette/
http://aligulac.com/players/2560-TerrOr/
http://aligulac.com/players/5016-TANGTANG/
http://aligulac.com/players/2053-Zoun/
http://aligulac.com/players/5007-StuN/
And then there are some who are just flying less than 1,5% above the 50% line :
http://aligulac.com/players/1664-Shine/
http://aligulac.com/players/62-Shine/
http://aligulac.com/players/1517-Bunny/

You can see that most of them never did anything worthy of mention in individual leagues
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xrayEU
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden571 Posts
March 13 2015 06:26 GMT
#106
Hyped for day2!

(T)Maru 3-1 (P)Patience
(T)Bbyong 2-3 (Z)Solar
(P)herO[jOin] 3-2 (T)Cure
(T)Flash 3-2 (P)Trap
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
March 13 2015 06:51 GMT
#107
3-1 so far. Thanks, Life.

(T)Maru 3 - 0 (P)Patience
(T)Bbyong 3 - 1 (Z)Solar
(T)Cure 3 - 2 (P)herO
(T)Flash 3 - 1 (P)Trap
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TriZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Belgium379 Posts
March 13 2015 07:13 GMT
#108
On March 13 2015 15:51 Fionn wrote:
3-1 so far. Thanks, Life.

(T)Maru 3 - 0 (P)Patience
(T)Bbyong 3 - 1 (Z)Solar
(T)Cure 3 - 2 (P)herO
(T)Flash 3 - 1 (P)Trap


That seems like a lovely prediction for Terran fans. I like it.
Estancia
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)335 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 07:37:31
March 13 2015 07:37 GMT
#109
(T)Maru 3 - 0 (P)Patience
(T)Bbyong 3 - 1 (Z)Solar
(P)herO 3 - 1 (T)Cure
(T)Flash 3 - 1 (P)Trap

Someone need to carry the protoss race, and that will be herO
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
March 13 2015 07:52 GMT
#110
(T)Maru 3-1 (P)Patience
(T)Bbyong 3-2 (Z)Solar
(P)herO 3-2 (T)Cure
(T)Flash 1-3 (P)Trap

Yep I have no faith in God.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
March 13 2015 08:02 GMT
#111
im disappointed flash's gif isn't him with a ruler
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
March 13 2015 08:36 GMT
#112
Bbyong looking good in that GIF, very cute smile ! FlaSh not looking impressed at all, same for Maru. Patience, Trap and Cure all look kinda nervous. herO seems nervous too, but also very focused (and unfortunately not smiling).

Btw, amazing OP's, congrats and thanks Lorning !

My predictions:
Maru 3-0 or 3-1 vs Patience, EZ.
Bbyong 3-1 or 3-2 Solar. Can't wait to see if Bbyongjwa has something special prepared, if Solar is out of his slump, etc.
herO 3-1 or 3-2 Cure. herO has the best PvT ihmo, I think he would be favored against any terran. Cure is good and could upset, but I don't see it happening. Maybe if he prepared really well...
FlaSh v Trap is gonna be close (I hope). Trap is playing super well lately, but FlaSh is God, and I'm a believer. FlaSh 3-2 or maybe 3-1 even.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
March 13 2015 08:54 GMT
#113
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 09:00:51
March 13 2015 08:59 GMT
#114
All I really want is Solar to advance. Please.


EDIT:

Btw, those OP's are awesome, Lorning. First LR bonjwa?
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
March 13 2015 08:59 GMT
#115
On March 13 2015 17:54 Noonius wrote:
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran


Looking at your signature, I'm really confused. How can you be both a terran lover and a Maru hater ? Maru embodies everything that is terran in sc2: crazy multitasking, amazing unit control, hyper aggressivity, etc
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 09:02:19
March 13 2015 09:00 GMT
#116
I expect mine drops. Many mine drops, with all kinds of different success rates.
On March 13 2015 17:59 LoneYoShi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 17:54 Noonius wrote:
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran


Looking at your signature, I'm really confused. How can you be both a terran lover and a Maru hater ? Maru embodies everything that is terran in sc2: crazy multitasking, amazing unit control, hyper aggressivity, etc

I love Terran, for example, but Maru gets so much hype that I don't care about him that much, although I respect how good he is.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
March 13 2015 09:05 GMT
#117
On March 13 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
I expect mine drops. Many mine drops, with all kinds of different success rates.
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 17:59 LoneYoShi wrote:
On March 13 2015 17:54 Noonius wrote:
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran


Looking at your signature, I'm really confused. How can you be both a terran lover and a Maru hater ? Maru embodies everything that is terran in sc2: crazy multitasking, amazing unit control, hyper aggressivity, etc

I love Terran, for example, but Maru gets so much hype that I don't care about him that much, although I respect how good he is.


Ok, that actually makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up !
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
March 13 2015 09:10 GMT
#118
On March 13 2015 18:05 LoneYoShi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
I expect mine drops. Many mine drops, with all kinds of different success rates.
On March 13 2015 17:59 LoneYoShi wrote:
On March 13 2015 17:54 Noonius wrote:
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran


Looking at your signature, I'm really confused. How can you be both a terran lover and a Maru hater ? Maru embodies everything that is terran in sc2: crazy multitasking, amazing unit control, hyper aggressivity, etc

I love Terran, for example, but Maru gets so much hype that I don't care about him that much, although I respect how good he is.


Ok, that actually makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up !

Well that's only my perspective, I'm thinking Noonius wouldn't even agree to that, considering he says he "hates" Maru and called him a "cheese terran" <.<.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
March 13 2015 09:12 GMT
#119
On March 13 2015 18:10 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 18:05 LoneYoShi wrote:
On March 13 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
I expect mine drops. Many mine drops, with all kinds of different success rates.
On March 13 2015 17:59 LoneYoShi wrote:
On March 13 2015 17:54 Noonius wrote:
Patience is going to destroy that cheese terran


Looking at your signature, I'm really confused. How can you be both a terran lover and a Maru hater ? Maru embodies everything that is terran in sc2: crazy multitasking, amazing unit control, hyper aggressivity, etc

I love Terran, for example, but Maru gets so much hype that I don't care about him that much, although I respect how good he is.


Ok, that actually makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up !

Well that's only my perspective, I'm thinking Noonius wouldn't even agree to that, considering he says he "hates" Maru and called him a "cheese terran" <.<.


Oh yeah I didn't realise you weren't him... -_-
I should really check people's ID more often ^^
I guess we'll see his point of view if/when he responds !
dehydrogenaza
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland122 Posts
March 13 2015 09:16 GMT
#120
TBH I hate these flashy over-the-top OPs :-P Especially the Results section is just form over function.

Anyway, previous day had better potential but somewhat failed to deliver (I don't mean the games were horrible, but not super memorable), so today maybe it will be the other way round and we'll have some amazing matches.
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