[WCS] Premier Ro32 Group E - Season 1 2015 - Page 93

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c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

February 21 2015 22:13 GMT

#1841

I like how salty TOD is...

At least the casting is good

HellHound

Bulgaria5962 Posts

February 21 2015 22:13 GMT

#1842

On February 22 2015 07:11 KelsierSC wrote:
I either want Naniwa to fucking shit on everyone or to completely implode and attack his own nexus with starting probes.

Shitting on everyone looks very likely.

Yorkie

United States12612 Posts

February 21 2015 22:13 GMT

#1843

On February 22 2015 07:11 c0ldfusion wrote:

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ForGG did, in game 2/3 at least.

You mean the one where he killed over 40 drones and still waited to be maxed out to win?

FueledUpAndReadyToGo

Netherlands30548 Posts

February 21 2015 22:13 GMT

#1844

On February 22 2015 07:12 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
This swarmhost play is far more interesting than the ForGG game.

Yeah ZvP swarmhost can be quite dynamic actually

Popkiller

3415 Posts

February 21 2015 22:13 GMT

#1845

after the swarmhost change, we may never see FireCake again

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

February 21 2015 22:13 GMT

#1846

I blame this completely on Puck. He had this and then he let FireCake back into this game.

KingofdaHipHop

United States25602 Posts

February 21 2015 22:13 GMT

#1847

On February 22 2015 07:12 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
This swarmhost play is far more interesting than the ForGG game.

first half of the ForGG game was really good

KtJ

United States3514 Posts

February 21 2015 22:13 GMT

#1848

On February 22 2015 07:12 Shellshock wrote:

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yes. people were already raging though from the Polt vs Naniwa game and this was like dumping the world's supply of fuel onto the fire

Link please?
I'd love to see the salt that day.

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

February 21 2015 22:14 GMT

#1849

On February 22 2015 07:13 Popkiller wrote:
after the swarmhost change, we may never see FireCake again

LET'S MAKE THE LOCUSTS FLY!

HAHAHA
FLY!

God I love that video

KingofdaHipHop

United States25602 Posts

February 21 2015 22:14 GMT

#1850

On February 22 2015 07:13 Popkiller wrote:
after the swarmhost change, we may never see zergs again

ftfy

Deathstar

9150 Posts

February 21 2015 22:14 GMT

#1851

On February 22 2015 07:13 Popkiller wrote:
after the swarmhost change, we may never see FireCake again

seriously.

good riddance

BaneRiders

Sweden3630 Posts

February 21 2015 22:14 GMT

#1852

On February 22 2015 07:12 Musicus wrote:
I'm sorry, but I refuse to watch this. Knowing that this shit will be fixed soon it just seems pointless. See you tomorrow guys.

I hear you.

Yorkie

United States12612 Posts

February 21 2015 22:14 GMT

#1853

Puck was up 40 supply and two bases vs zerg but left 2/3 of his army at home as he got his immortals killed. Then he sat around and let Firecake catch back up rofl

Jazzman88

Canada2228 Posts

February 21 2015 22:14 GMT

#1854

On February 22 2015 07:12 BaneRiders wrote:

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On February 22 2015 07:09 Jazzman88 wrote:

On February 22 2015 07:04 Circumstance wrote:

On February 22 2015 07:00 Jazzman88 wrote:

On February 22 2015 06:58 Circumstance wrote:

On February 22 2015 06:56 Jazzman88 wrote:

On February 22 2015 06:53 BaneRiders wrote:

On February 22 2015 06:32 SixStrings wrote:

On February 22 2015 06:29 BaneRiders wrote:
I just completely lost the interest in the entire series and this whole group. Screw this. Seriously. Sorry Puck, it's not your fault, neither is it Sen's or FireCake's, so that kind of narrows it down, doesn't it? I'll be back tomorrow, hoping for some real Starcraft. In the meantime, if I don't see ForGG ever again, I won't write any lengthy lamentations about it...

How is that ForGG's fault?

Blame Blizzard for being stubborn enough going through with Swarmhosts, although the pro-gamer feedback has been overwhelmingly negative since day 1.

SH had nothing to do with parking your inferior army with no resources behind a small ramp, trying nothing to win, obviously losing, wasting 30k viewers time for one hour. And we have to live with this jerk in the Ro16. I hope someone is able to file a valid complaint about this resulting in a disqualification, but I'm not holding my breath.

As has already been pointed out, ForGG probably thought that Firecake was broke because ForGG had mined so much of the map before Firecake got to it. Are we really going to disqualify someone for acting on imperfect information in a game which prohibits having perfect information? You can make the case that he held out for some time after the realization that he can't trade away to a draw sets in, but then you're also making a case for disqualifying someone based on what you assume is going on in their head with no proof. That's an extremely bad precedent.

A player of his caliber, with his experience, his results, and having used the ridiculous number of scans that he did, is absolutely incapable of a level of incompetence to believe that he could have won the game from that position.

I don't believe he was playing for a win, but a draw. You're also making the judgement based on the viewer's perfect information plus the analysis of casters, players on twitter, etc. So, no, it's still bad policy to disqualify a player because you think he was stalling in a position where the logical goal of playing for a draw might be in his mind. Again, unless you think we should disqualify people who are trying to do everything to not lose, which is terrible.

What was he doing not to lose? He already HAD lost. He had scanned the entire map. He was not leaving his base. He was not attempting to change any aspect of the situation. He wasn't tying to do anything to the Queens that keep making structures. He was even manually resetting the draw counter with Raven buildings (yes, they reset the draw counter). He was not playing to win. He was not playing to draw. He was playing to annoy.

Even if you are right (which you can't know because telepathy isn't a thing), should we then disqualify people who dance their units and don't immediately kill their opponent? If someone manner MULEs, do they get DQ'd? What about manner Hatcheries? Those are also clearly plays of annoyance/psychological warfare, just like drawing out a game to fatigue an opponent. I'm just saying if you posit ForGG deserves a DQ for his play, then you are effectively saying that the way the game has to be played is with additional rules that limit what the game engine/code permits. And that is not in the spirit of allowing players to use all of their abilities to their fullest.

I would rather see 10 of the type of game that ForGG/Firecake Game 1 was and get 1 massive comeback from a similar scenario than not see any of those at all, especially if that means I get players putting every single tactic and skill at their disposal into their performance rather than gg'ing out the first time they're at a big disadvantage.

Dancing, manner muling, manner hatching etc is not prolonging a lost game forever, and that is really the difference. Personally I don't mind dancing. It takes 2.3 seconds.

I'm not saying it's the same tactic of prolonging a lost game, I'm drawing attention to the fact that we already permit things that are used exclusively to annoy your opponent, and disallowing some things while allowing others is dangerous when you can't ultimately know the mindset behind it.

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

February 21 2015 22:15 GMT

#1855

On February 22 2015 07:13 KtJ wrote:

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Link please?
I'd love to see the salt that day.

~~http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/272406-gomtv-presents-blizzard-cup~~
nope this is not the right thread
I haven't looked but this is the link from LP

Deathstar

9150 Posts

February 21 2015 22:15 GMT

#1856

On February 22 2015 07:14 Yorkie wrote:
Puck was up 40 supply and two bases vs zerg but left 2/3 of his army at home as he got his immortals killed. Then he sat around and let Firecake catch back up rofl

Puck is suffering from NA syndrome.