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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
February 21 2015 22:13 GMT
#1841
I like how salty TOD is...

At least the casting is good
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
February 21 2015 22:13 GMT
#1842
On February 22 2015 07:11 KelsierSC wrote:
I either want Naniwa to fucking shit on everyone or to completely implode and attack his own nexus with starting probes.

Shitting on everyone looks very likely.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 21 2015 22:13 GMT
#1843
On February 22 2015 07:11 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2015 07:11 Yorkie wrote:
Why does nobody in WCS know how to end games. They are the reason we keep getting these drawn out clusterfucks

ForGG did, in game 2/3 at least.

You mean the one where he killed over 40 drones and still waited to be maxed out to win?
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 21 2015 22:13 GMT
#1844
On February 22 2015 07:12 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
This swarmhost play is far more interesting than the ForGG game.

Yeah ZvP swarmhost can be quite dynamic actually
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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
February 21 2015 22:13 GMT
#1845
after the swarmhost change, we may never see FireCake again
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
February 21 2015 22:13 GMT
#1846
I blame this completely on Puck. He had this and then he let FireCake back into this game.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
February 21 2015 22:13 GMT
#1847
On February 22 2015 07:12 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
This swarmhost play is far more interesting than the ForGG game.

first half of the ForGG game was really good
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KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
February 21 2015 22:13 GMT
#1848
On February 22 2015 07:12 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2015 07:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:09 Shellshock wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:09 DJHelium wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:08 Shellshock wrote:
saltiest LR thread of all time is Naniwa's 2011 blizzard cup group. It's not even debatable. It had a game on TDA where Naniwa killed Polt's natural and still lost to a follow up 1-1-1 in the height of 1-1-1 butthurt era and then later the drone rush game.


What about Idra vs Alive "showmatch"?

maybe #2. the fallout from the blizzard cup is unmatched

especially when Naniwa was "suspended" from GSL or whatever

Is this the thread from when naniwa sent his starting probes? I wish I posted more in that era

yes. people were already raging though from the Polt vs Naniwa game and this was like dumping the world's supply of fuel onto the fire

Link please?
I'd love to see the salt that day.
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
February 21 2015 22:14 GMT
#1849
On February 22 2015 07:13 Popkiller wrote:
after the swarmhost change, we may never see FireCake again

LET'S MAKE THE LOCUSTS FLY!

HAHAHA
FLY!

God I love that video
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
February 21 2015 22:14 GMT
#1850
On February 22 2015 07:13 Popkiller wrote:
after the swarmhost change, we may never see zergs again

ftfy
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 21 2015 22:14 GMT
#1851
On February 22 2015 07:13 Popkiller wrote:
after the swarmhost change, we may never see FireCake again


seriously.


good riddance
rip passion
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
February 21 2015 22:14 GMT
#1852
On February 22 2015 07:12 Musicus wrote:
I'm sorry, but I refuse to watch this. Knowing that this shit will be fixed soon it just seems pointless. See you tomorrow guys.


I hear you.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 21 2015 22:14 GMT
#1853
Puck was up 40 supply and two bases vs zerg but left 2/3 of his army at home as he got his immortals killed. Then he sat around and let Firecake catch back up rofl
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
February 21 2015 22:14 GMT
#1854
On February 22 2015 07:12 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2015 07:09 Jazzman88 wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:04 Circumstance wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:00 Jazzman88 wrote:
On February 22 2015 06:58 Circumstance wrote:
On February 22 2015 06:56 Jazzman88 wrote:
On February 22 2015 06:53 BaneRiders wrote:
On February 22 2015 06:32 SixStrings wrote:
On February 22 2015 06:29 BaneRiders wrote:
I just completely lost the interest in the entire series and this whole group. Screw this. Seriously. Sorry Puck, it's not your fault, neither is it Sen's or FireCake's, so that kind of narrows it down, doesn't it? I'll be back tomorrow, hoping for some real Starcraft. In the meantime, if I don't see ForGG ever again, I won't write any lengthy lamentations about it...


How is that ForGG's fault?

Blame Blizzard for being stubborn enough going through with Swarmhosts, although the pro-gamer feedback has been overwhelmingly negative since day 1.


SH had nothing to do with parking your inferior army with no resources behind a small ramp, trying nothing to win, obviously losing, wasting 30k viewers time for one hour. And we have to live with this jerk in the Ro16. I hope someone is able to file a valid complaint about this resulting in a disqualification, but I'm not holding my breath.



As has already been pointed out, ForGG probably thought that Firecake was broke because ForGG had mined so much of the map before Firecake got to it. Are we really going to disqualify someone for acting on imperfect information in a game which prohibits having perfect information? You can make the case that he held out for some time after the realization that he can't trade away to a draw sets in, but then you're also making a case for disqualifying someone based on what you assume is going on in their head with no proof. That's an extremely bad precedent.

A player of his caliber, with his experience, his results, and having used the ridiculous number of scans that he did, is absolutely incapable of a level of incompetence to believe that he could have won the game from that position.


I don't believe he was playing for a win, but a draw. You're also making the judgement based on the viewer's perfect information plus the analysis of casters, players on twitter, etc. So, no, it's still bad policy to disqualify a player because you think he was stalling in a position where the logical goal of playing for a draw might be in his mind. Again, unless you think we should disqualify people who are trying to do everything to not lose, which is terrible.

What was he doing not to lose? He already HAD lost. He had scanned the entire map. He was not leaving his base. He was not attempting to change any aspect of the situation. He wasn't tying to do anything to the Queens that keep making structures. He was even manually resetting the draw counter with Raven buildings (yes, they reset the draw counter). He was not playing to win. He was not playing to draw. He was playing to annoy.


Even if you are right (which you can't know because telepathy isn't a thing), should we then disqualify people who dance their units and don't immediately kill their opponent? If someone manner MULEs, do they get DQ'd? What about manner Hatcheries? Those are also clearly plays of annoyance/psychological warfare, just like drawing out a game to fatigue an opponent. I'm just saying if you posit ForGG deserves a DQ for his play, then you are effectively saying that the way the game has to be played is with additional rules that limit what the game engine/code permits. And that is not in the spirit of allowing players to use all of their abilities to their fullest.

I would rather see 10 of the type of game that ForGG/Firecake Game 1 was and get 1 massive comeback from a similar scenario than not see any of those at all, especially if that means I get players putting every single tactic and skill at their disposal into their performance rather than gg'ing out the first time they're at a big disadvantage.


Dancing, manner muling, manner hatching etc is not prolonging a lost game forever, and that is really the difference. Personally I don't mind dancing. It takes 2.3 seconds.


I'm not saying it's the same tactic of prolonging a lost game, I'm drawing attention to the fact that we already permit things that are used exclusively to annoy your opponent, and disallowing some things while allowing others is dangerous when you can't ultimately know the mindset behind it.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-21 22:16:37
February 21 2015 22:15 GMT
#1855
On February 22 2015 07:13 KtJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2015 07:12 Shellshock wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:09 Shellshock wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:09 DJHelium wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:08 Shellshock wrote:
saltiest LR thread of all time is Naniwa's 2011 blizzard cup group. It's not even debatable. It had a game on TDA where Naniwa killed Polt's natural and still lost to a follow up 1-1-1 in the height of 1-1-1 butthurt era and then later the drone rush game.


What about Idra vs Alive "showmatch"?

maybe #2. the fallout from the blizzard cup is unmatched

especially when Naniwa was "suspended" from GSL or whatever

Is this the thread from when naniwa sent his starting probes? I wish I posted more in that era

yes. people were already raging though from the Polt vs Naniwa game and this was like dumping the world's supply of fuel onto the fire

Link please?
I'd love to see the salt that day.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/272406-gomtv-presents-blizzard-cup
nope this is not the right thread
I haven't looked but this is the link from LP
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-21 22:15:55
February 21 2015 22:15 GMT
#1856
On February 22 2015 07:14 Yorkie wrote:
Puck was up 40 supply and two bases vs zerg but left 2/3 of his army at home as he got his immortals killed. Then he sat around and let Firecake catch back up rofl


Puck is suffering from NA syndrome.
rip passion
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
February 21 2015 22:15 GMT
#1857
On February 22 2015 07:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2015 07:12 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
This swarmhost play is far more interesting than the ForGG game.

first half of the ForGG game was really good


That is kind of the worst part, it was a fantastic game to begin with.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 21 2015 22:15 GMT
#1858
On February 22 2015 07:13 KtJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2015 07:12 Shellshock wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:09 Shellshock wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:09 DJHelium wrote:
On February 22 2015 07:08 Shellshock wrote:
saltiest LR thread of all time is Naniwa's 2011 blizzard cup group. It's not even debatable. It had a game on TDA where Naniwa killed Polt's natural and still lost to a follow up 1-1-1 in the height of 1-1-1 butthurt era and then later the drone rush game.


What about Idra vs Alive "showmatch"?

maybe #2. the fallout from the blizzard cup is unmatched

especially when Naniwa was "suspended" from GSL or whatever

Is this the thread from when naniwa sent his starting probes? I wish I posted more in that era

yes. people were already raging though from the Polt vs Naniwa game and this was like dumping the world's supply of fuel onto the fire

Link please?
I'd love to see the salt that day.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/294056-gsl-blizzard-cup-group-b
just look at the mod note

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/295033-gomtv-announcement-regarding-naniwa
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/295023-quantic-naniwa-apologize-to-gomtv-sc2community
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
February 21 2015 22:16 GMT
#1859
Golden Armada out.. we should be seeing this game wrap up soon (hopefully)
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 21 2015 22:16 GMT
#1860
On February 22 2015 07:15 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2015 07:14 Yorkie wrote:
Puck was up 40 supply and two bases vs zerg but left 2/3 of his army at home as he got his immortals killed. Then he sat around and let Firecake catch back up rofl


Puck was suffering from NA syndrome.

I'm just saying don't blame swarm hosts for this one haha
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