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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 12:35:48
November 02 2014 12:34 GMT
#21
Pfff I had to much confidence in soO and not enough in classic it seems...

I hope life goes far in the tournament, he's the real heart of the swarm


MMA vs Bomber AND INovaTion vs Taeja : dayum, I just can't wait.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
SantosPhillipCarlo
Profile Joined September 2013
United States351 Posts
November 02 2014 12:44 GMT
#22
I'll darn sure be interested to see how the Top 8 shakes out next Friday, but I'm also interested in that 6:45-9:00 block after the quarterfinals that's marked as an exhibition block. That looks to be where the eight Sweet Sixteen defeated players (MC, Jaedong, Zest, Hyun, Polt, StarDust, Jjakji, and Soo) come in - any ideas on what'll happen there?
All our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them. - Walt Disney
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
November 02 2014 12:47 GMT
#23
On November 02 2014 21:44 SantosPhillipCarlo wrote:
I'll darn sure be interested to see how the Top 8 shakes out next Friday, but I'm also interested in that 6:45-9:00 block after the quarterfinals that's marked as an exhibition block. That looks to be where the eight Sweet Sixteen defeated players (MC, Jaedong, Zest, Hyun, Polt, StarDust, Jjakji, and Soo) come in - any ideas on what'll happen there?


Free for all on a giant map?
Siskoz
Profile Joined September 2013
Russian Federation48 Posts
November 02 2014 12:47 GMT
#24
(T)Bomber 1-3 (T)MMA
(P)herO[jOin] 1-3 (P)Classic
(Z)Life 3-0 (P)San
(T)Bogus 3-2 (T)TaeJa

(P)Classic 1-3 (T)MMA
(T)Bogus 3-1 (Z)Life

(T)Bogus 3-4 (T)MMA

And after this MMA retire as the best player sc2 of all time

SantosPhillipCarlo
Profile Joined September 2013
United States351 Posts
November 02 2014 12:49 GMT
#25
On November 02 2014 21:47 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:44 SantosPhillipCarlo wrote:
I'll darn sure be interested to see how the Top 8 shakes out next Friday, but I'm also interested in that 6:45-9:00 block after the quarterfinals that's marked as an exhibition block. That looks to be where the eight Sweet Sixteen defeated players (MC, Jaedong, Zest, Hyun, Polt, StarDust, Jjakji, and Soo) come in - any ideas on what'll happen there?


Free for all on a giant map?


I'm guessing it could be 4v4 or 2v2s using something involving LotV.
All our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them. - Walt Disney
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 12:58:20
November 02 2014 12:54 GMT
#26
pretty unhype ro8, 6/8 matches went to the more boring candidate (life and san are the good ones). i wish hyun and MC had pulled it off and soo too of course

games should be sick tho! and actually on second thought classic over polt is fine too, classic is a lot of fun

On November 02 2014 21:28 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:18 Beta2k wrote:
why is day 2 so many days later?

yh, for real, I thought it continued 2nite :/

this tournament is held at blizzcon...
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 02 2014 12:59 GMT
#27
On November 02 2014 21:54 brickrd wrote:
pretty unhype ro8, 6/8 matches went to the more boring candidate (life and san are the good ones). i wish hyun and MC had pulled it off and soo too of course

games should be sick tho! and actually on second thought classic over polt is fine too, classic is a lot of fun

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:28 Muffloe wrote:
On November 02 2014 21:18 Beta2k wrote:
why is day 2 so many days later?

yh, for real, I thought it continued 2nite :/

this tournament is held at blizzcon...

I think MMA is interesting too, and of course TaeJa. I don't think either of jjakji/san are really more exciting than the other :D
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 02 2014 13:03 GMT
#28
On November 02 2014 21:59 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:54 brickrd wrote:
pretty unhype ro8, 6/8 matches went to the more boring candidate (life and san are the good ones). i wish hyun and MC had pulled it off and soo too of course

games should be sick tho! and actually on second thought classic over polt is fine too, classic is a lot of fun

On November 02 2014 21:28 Muffloe wrote:
On November 02 2014 21:18 Beta2k wrote:
why is day 2 so many days later?

yh, for real, I thought it continued 2nite :/

this tournament is held at blizzcon...

I think MMA is interesting too, and of course TaeJa. I don't think either of jjakji/san are really more exciting than the other :D

Aside from a possible Polt vs herO and perhaps another Bogus vs soO, I think the RO8 has the best match-ups we could have hoped for.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
November 02 2014 13:06 GMT
#29
On November 02 2014 21:59 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:54 brickrd wrote:
pretty unhype ro8, 6/8 matches went to the more boring candidate (life and san are the good ones). i wish hyun and MC had pulled it off and soo too of course

games should be sick tho! and actually on second thought classic over polt is fine too, classic is a lot of fun

On November 02 2014 21:28 Muffloe wrote:
On November 02 2014 21:18 Beta2k wrote:
why is day 2 so many days later?

yh, for real, I thought it continued 2nite :/

this tournament is held at blizzcon...

I think MMA is interesting too, and of course TaeJa. I don't think either of jjakji/san are really more exciting than the other :D

san and jjakji is pretty meh but san has more potential for crazy builds and upsets so i'm into that. although i'll be saying something very different next week if he beats life with a bunch of gateway allins

MMA is probably my favorite terran at the event, taeja i just have been sick of for months though lol. i guess if i'm being honest with myself i just don't really like any of these terrans much, it's been said before but the best terran play can be pretty bland and mechanical. i was rooting for classic but the mech allin polt did was sick and i love to see stuff like that
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
November 02 2014 13:07 GMT
#30
Hm, dark tournament for any Zerg players. I'm glad it's Life who represents hope.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 13:22:11
November 02 2014 13:17 GMT
#31
My predictions so far have been a trainwreck, but let's do this again :
(T)Bomber < (T)MMA
(P)herO[jOin] > (P)Classic
(P)San < (Z)Life
(T)TaeJa > (T)INnoVation

(T)MMA < (P)herO[jOin]
(Z)Life < (T)TaeJa

(P)herO[jOin] > (T)TaeJa

Although this obviously won't happen, we're going to have either a shitty PvP final with Classic and San or the now classic TvT final with at most 2 good games and the other games being aggro/all-in builds worthy of PvP back in the good old mirror 4-gate times
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
November 02 2014 13:17 GMT
#32
On November 02 2014 22:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Hm, dark tournament for any Zerg players. I'm glad it's Life who represents hope.

wasn't the best zerg representation. i'm not one of those "hurdur blizzcon sucks because it's not the 16 absolute best players" but zerg really did get a shit draw, i mean i love all 4 zergs but jaedong and hyun aren't the strongest, life is a question mark and soo didn't pull it off

i think if life can beat zest he can win the whole thing though, especially if he gets hero or classic. not calling him favored but he can do it
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 02 2014 13:24 GMT
#33
On November 02 2014 22:17 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 22:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Hm, dark tournament for any Zerg players. I'm glad it's Life who represents hope.

wasn't the best zerg representation. i'm not one of those "hurdur blizzcon sucks because it's not the 16 absolute best players" but zerg really did get a shit draw, i mean i love all 4 zergs but jaedong and hyun aren't the strongest, life is a question mark and soo didn't pull it off

i think if life can beat zest he can win the whole thing though, especially if he gets hero or classic. not calling him favored but he can do it

It's the second year in a row Zerg is underrepresented at BlizzCon...
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Ufnal
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland1435 Posts
November 02 2014 13:26 GMT
#34
On November 02 2014 21:54 brickrd wrote:
pretty unhype ro8, 6/8 matches went to the more boring candidate (life and san are the good ones). i wish hyun and MC had pulled it off and soo too of course

games should be sick tho! and actually on second thought classic over polt is fine too, classic is a lot of fun

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:28 Muffloe wrote:
On November 02 2014 21:18 Beta2k wrote:
why is day 2 so many days later?

yh, for real, I thought it continued 2nite :/

this tournament is held at blizzcon...


Seriously, after watching Classic versus Polt I can't imagine why would someone call Classic boring (even in "more boring"). Sad for MC though.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 02 2014 13:27 GMT
#35
On November 02 2014 22:17 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 22:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Hm, dark tournament for any Zerg players. I'm glad it's Life who represents hope.

wasn't the best zerg representation. i'm not one of those "hurdur blizzcon sucks because it's not the 16 absolute best players" but zerg really did get a shit draw, i mean i love all 4 zergs but jaedong and hyun aren't the strongest, life is a question mark and soo didn't pull it off

i think if life can beat zest he can win the whole thing though, especially if he gets hero or classic. not calling him favored but he can do it


They aren't worse than the likes of jjakji, San, MC, Stardust or MMA.

And it's not a draw. It's a representation of the results in this year. If no other Zerg is here, than that is because they have done even worse than Life this year. It's not a coincidence that the race that has done by far the worst this year is the worst represented.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 02 2014 13:28 GMT
#36
On November 02 2014 22:17 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 22:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Hm, dark tournament for any Zerg players. I'm glad it's Life who represents hope.

wasn't the best zerg representation. i'm not one of those "hurdur blizzcon sucks because it's not the 16 absolute best players" but zerg really did get a shit draw, i mean i love all 4 zergs but jaedong and hyun aren't the strongest, life is a question mark and soo didn't pull it off

i think if life can beat zest he can win the whole thing though, especially if he gets hero or classic. not calling him favored but he can do it

The truth is we don't have a lot of "strong" zerg players right now imo.
Solar is actually the only zerg that comes to mind who would have been a better candidate for this ro16, who else do we have ?

I am sad that taeja made it though, "hate" is a strong word and obviously over the top here, but i really don't like him, even if i am his biggest fan apparently
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 02 2014 13:39 GMT
#37
On November 02 2014 22:27 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 22:17 brickrd wrote:
On November 02 2014 22:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Hm, dark tournament for any Zerg players. I'm glad it's Life who represents hope.

wasn't the best zerg representation. i'm not one of those "hurdur blizzcon sucks because it's not the 16 absolute best players" but zerg really did get a shit draw, i mean i love all 4 zergs but jaedong and hyun aren't the strongest, life is a question mark and soo didn't pull it off

i think if life can beat zest he can win the whole thing though, especially if he gets hero or classic. not calling him favored but he can do it


They aren't worse than the likes of jjakji, San, MC, Stardust or MMA.

And it's not a draw. It's a representation of the results in this year. If no other Zerg is here, than that is because they have done even worse than Life this year. It's not a coincidence that the race that has done by far the worst this year is the worst represented.

There's much more to the state of a race than the mere amount of Premier wins it collected in a given year...
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 02 2014 13:41 GMT
#38
On November 02 2014 22:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 22:17 brickrd wrote:
On November 02 2014 22:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Hm, dark tournament for any Zerg players. I'm glad it's Life who represents hope.

wasn't the best zerg representation. i'm not one of those "hurdur blizzcon sucks because it's not the 16 absolute best players" but zerg really did get a shit draw, i mean i love all 4 zergs but jaedong and hyun aren't the strongest, life is a question mark and soo didn't pull it off

i think if life can beat zest he can win the whole thing though, especially if he gets hero or classic. not calling him favored but he can do it

The truth is we don't have a lot of "strong" zerg players right now imo.
Solar is actually the only zerg that comes to mind who would have been a better candidate for this ro16, who else do we have ?

I am sad that taeja made it though, "hate" is a strong word and obviously over the top here, but i really don't like him, even if i am his biggest fan apparently

What do you mean by "strong"? I'd argue that players like Soulkey, Solar, TRUE, Action(?), DRG, Roro, Snute, and maybe ByuL have both the mechanical skill, the strategic skills and the practice environment that make them "strong". Unless you mean "super strong", but then Protoss and Terrans don't have that much super strong players either
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 02 2014 13:45 GMT
#39
On November 02 2014 22:41 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 22:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 02 2014 22:17 brickrd wrote:
On November 02 2014 22:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Hm, dark tournament for any Zerg players. I'm glad it's Life who represents hope.

wasn't the best zerg representation. i'm not one of those "hurdur blizzcon sucks because it's not the 16 absolute best players" but zerg really did get a shit draw, i mean i love all 4 zergs but jaedong and hyun aren't the strongest, life is a question mark and soo didn't pull it off

i think if life can beat zest he can win the whole thing though, especially if he gets hero or classic. not calling him favored but he can do it

The truth is we don't have a lot of "strong" zerg players right now imo.
Solar is actually the only zerg that comes to mind who would have been a better candidate for this ro16, who else do we have ?

I am sad that taeja made it though, "hate" is a strong word and obviously over the top here, but i really don't like him, even if i am his biggest fan apparently

What do you mean by "strong"? I'd argue that players like Soulkey, Solar, TRUE, Action(?), DRG, Roro, Snute, and maybe ByuL have both the mechanical skill, the strategic skills and the practice environment that make them "strong". Unless you mean "super strong", but then Protoss and Terrans don't have that much super strong players either

Most of them were "stuck" in Korea, so they had no chance of reaching Blizzcon unless they won the GSL. Aside from Golden there was no Korean Zerg in Europe for instance (from memory Sacsri only came for the third season?).
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 02 2014 13:47 GMT
#40
On November 02 2014 22:17 OtherWorld wrote:
My predictions so far have been a trainwreck, but let's do this again :
(T)Bomber < (T)MMA
(P)herO[jOin] > (P)Classic
(P)San < (Z)Life
(T)TaeJa > (T)INnoVation

(T)MMA < (P)herO[jOin]
(Z)Life < (T)TaeJa

(P)herO[jOin] > (T)TaeJa

Although this obviously won't happen, we're going to have either a shitty PvP final with Classic and San or the now classic TvT final with at most 2 good games and the other games being aggro/all-in builds worthy of PvP back in the good old mirror 4-gate times

Hey, you lost the signature bet against me yesterday. Please change your signature
On November 02 2014 14:40 The_Templar wrote:
Hey OtherWorld, change your signature to include "TaeJa is the best player in the world. He can not be equalled by any mere mortal. TAEJA FIGHTING!!"

On November 02 2014 14:41 The_Templar wrote:
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On November 02 2014 14:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 02 2014 14:40 The_Templar wrote:
Hey OtherWorld, change your signature to include "TaeJa is the best player in the world. He can not be equalled by any mere mortal. TAEJA FIGHTING!!"


The sigbets are real

Oh yeah and he has to remove soO


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