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On August 25 2014 08:00 Quateras wrote:
What actually happened to TvT that made them so much more volatile?
Is it the 1-1-1 gas firsts that everyone goes to nowadays?
Also what happened to oldschool gasless fe into rax#2 and #3 , is that opening not viable anymore due to reapers or ?
There's nothing more volatile about TvT now than there used to be, if you've ever played TvT on ladder these kinds of games are incredibly common.
It's just been more of the norm at the pro level to see macro TvT games played, but that wasn't the case today.
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Gotta give it up to the organizers, great production.
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On August 25 2014 08:03 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:00 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:58 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2014 07:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This new TvT is worse than WoL PvP. Oh well gg wp mr Polt, deserved victory this, a demonstration by blizzard on how to destroy a mu for shitty reasons. Did they actually change anything except banshee build time and hellbats (which weren't used that much)? the banshee is the core of the problem, it makes it way to hard to reliably FE. hence the 1/1/1 stupidity. Up until a little while ago, it was banshee vs. banshee every game but then into expand and macro play, which was fine with me. Honestly I think Polt totally outplayed Taeja here, he won the hellion/marine mirror game pretty convincingly and then won with hellion marine vs. banshee and then turned around, went banshee, and smashed Taeja's hellion/marine. Better snap decision making and micro overall.
well the next step is to use build that are good vs banshees (raven and hellion marine medivac). Polt outplayed a bad taeja pretty hard this series; but that doesn't make good games.
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On August 25 2014 08:03 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:02 Silvana wrote:
What? I stepped out for a short while and the series is already over?! You step out during a TvT finals!? And yeah, both players went for aggressive builds every game.
guess that is because the last few months not many TvT were played, so not many experience is with the players
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On August 25 2014 08:03 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2014 08:00 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:You just can't help but love Polt  I can -.- Why are you a Polt hater? I'm not; I own the TaeJa fan club, I have to be a fanboy Oh, it's just a thing of circumstance. Got it. Yeah, Polt scores a 8.4/10 on The_Templar's list of likability
What does Scarlett score?
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On August 25 2014 08:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:01 BretZ wrote:
I used to hate Polt. Like I despised him. But he grew on me just because of 1. how sick he is 2. how dedicated he is to not only winning but entertaining and 3. puts a face to his name I started liking him when he nuked Stephano in his prime
I became a Polt fan in the GSL Super Tournament in part because of the TL previews, where in literally every round from the Ro32 forward, the articles said "okay you've had a good run but you're going to lose this time" and somehow it never happened.
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On August 25 2014 08:04 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:00 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:58 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2014 07:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This new TvT is worse than WoL PvP. Oh well gg wp mr Polt, deserved victory this, a demonstration by blizzard on how to destroy a mu for shitty reasons. Did they actually change anything except banshee build time and hellbats (which weren't used that much)? the banshee is the core of the problem, it makes it way to hard to reliably FE. hence the 1/1/1 stupidity. The banshee patch was more than a year ago. Before that it was drop hellions vs drop hellions every game. TvTs were still good a few weeks/months ago.
Banshees aren't a problem. Taeja losing 11 SCVs to a single Hellion was. At least in that last game on King Sejong Station. That should not have happened at all.
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Haha. The people wanted TvT. You got your TvT. Just wonder how it might have went as a TvP. Could it be the more exciting mu now? 
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On August 25 2014 08:04 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:03 Circumstance wrote:On August 25 2014 08:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2014 08:00 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:You just can't help but love Polt I can -.- Why are you a Polt hater? I'm not; I own the TaeJa fan club, I have to be a fanboy Oh, it's just a thing of circumstance. Got it. Don't bring me into this! I didn't know that I could summon you. Maybe I'm a wizard. It happened once with Kennigit too.
Well, you were the one to mention my name.
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On August 25 2014 08:04 SFDuality wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:03 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 08:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2014 08:00 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:You just can't help but love Polt I can -.- Why are you a Polt hater? I'm not; I own the TaeJa fan club, I have to be a fanboy Oh, it's just a thing of circumstance. Got it. Yeah, Polt scores a 8.4/10 on The_Templar's list of likability What does Scarlett score?
2.3, lowest score
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Incredible tournament! :D
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On August 25 2014 08:03 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:01 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 08:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 25 2014 08:00 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 Ben1500 wrote:
The worst finals I have ever seen, not even sure if the better player won, just seemed like b/o wins. If the better player had won TaeJa would be celebrating The better player always wins. If he loses, then he wasn't better that series. The better player could have made a small number of unfortunate mistake, as what happened here In which case, he wasn't the better player that series.
What are these people even talking about. Those were not BO wins, just superior control and decision making by Polt.
Very entertaining series for me.
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Taeja played a Polt game, with lots of micro and multitasking. So yeah, Taeja is prolly better but he was outplayed. I understand if people hate coin flip wins, but those involved skill and proper execution so it was amazing.
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On August 25 2014 08:04 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 25 2014 08:01 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 08:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 25 2014 08:00 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 Ben1500 wrote:
The worst finals I have ever seen, not even sure if the better player won, just seemed like b/o wins. If the better player had won TaeJa would be celebrating The better player always wins. If he loses, then he wasn't better that series. The better player could have made a small number of unfortunate mistake, as what happened here Nope Polt didn't make those mistakes and Taeja did. C'mon dpb you're a math guy, it is definitely possible to get unlucky.
Sure, but Taeja didn't get unlucky, let alone three games in a row. Taeja played well and took calculated risks, as did Polt. Polt just played better this finals.
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On August 25 2014 08:04 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:00 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:58 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2014 07:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This new TvT is worse than WoL PvP. Oh well gg wp mr Polt, deserved victory this, a demonstration by blizzard on how to destroy a mu for shitty reasons. Did they actually change anything except banshee build time and hellbats (which weren't used that much)? the banshee is the core of the problem, it makes it way to hard to reliably FE. hence the 1/1/1 stupidity. The banshee patch was more than a year ago. Before that it was drop hellions vs drop hellions every game. TvTs were still good a few weeks/months ago.
bo advantage vs banshees are recent. Banshee vs banshee is actually decent despite being stupid, but marine/hellion/medivac vs banshee is random as hell.
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On August 25 2014 08:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:01 BretZ wrote:
I used to hate Polt. Like I despised him. But he grew on me just because of 1. how sick he is 2. how dedicated he is to not only winning but entertaining and 3. puts a face to his name I started liking him when he nuked Stephano in his prime
I liked him ever since artosis said polt would disappear after one season.
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All in all, great tournament! Thanks Redbull for making it happen. Polt the deserved champion, played dominating in every match.
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On August 25 2014 08:05 DethAdder wrote:Haha. The people wanted TvT. You got your TvT. Just wonder how it might have went as a TvP. Could it be the more exciting mu now?
If it was macro TvP, I guarantee you a lot of bans would be handed out.
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You know I never cared too much for Polt, but I'm so happy for him! He def deserves to be at Washington and won this tournament convincingly! This was a fun tourney and a fun thread. I'll see you all in the IEM Toronto thread!
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On August 25 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 08:04 SFDuality wrote:On August 25 2014 08:03 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 08:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2014 08:00 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2014 07:59 The_Templar wrote:On August 25 2014 07:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:You just can't help but love Polt I can -.- Why are you a Polt hater? I'm not; I own the TaeJa fan club, I have to be a fanboy Oh, it's just a thing of circumstance. Got it. Yeah, Polt scores a 8.4/10 on The_Templar's list of likability What does Scarlett score? 2.3, lowest score
A bit higher than expected.
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