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On August 20 2014 17:17 BakedButters wrote:
Even though the flaws of a 1 vote system are well known, the top four are pretty accurate in terms of skill.
After that, popularity shows its rear end.
Sen and Jim definitely underrepresented. Vortix a little bit
Nerchio overrepresented. TLO and Grubby definitely overrepresented
cough Major 4th, Voritx 7th cough
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On August 21 2014 20:11 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 18:43 The_Templar wrote:On August 20 2014 19:32 XiZeL wrote:im trolling here but i just have to do it:  HuK /  IdrA /  Jinro / NaNiwa Fixed  It's been a long time since I've seen a poll with this many votes. Idra over ThorZaIN/MaNa/Nerchio? Doesn't seem fixed to me.
ThorZaIN/MaNa/Nerchio over Stephano doesn't seem fixed either :p
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On August 21 2014 21:45 Faefae wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 20:11 Xoronius wrote:On August 21 2014 18:43 The_Templar wrote:On August 20 2014 19:32 XiZeL wrote:im trolling here but i just have to do it: HuK / IdrA / Jinro / NaNiwa Fixed It's been a long time since I've seen a poll with this many votes. Idra over ThorZaIN/MaNa/Nerchio? Doesn't seem fixed to me. ThorZaIN/MaNa/Nerchio over Stephano doesn't seem fixed either :p
Oh, yeah, that as well. How did I miss this?
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On August 20 2014 07:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Man, having 12 players would be much better actually...
Just taking the top 4, especially when it's a popularity contest, really leaves out some of the top players. If we go EU/America, these players must be there for top competition:
1. Scarlett
2. Snute
3. Major
Then their primary competition would be:
4. Bunny
5. Vortix
6. Dayshi
7. Heromarine
8. Kane
9. Welmu
10. Huk
Not to mention if you include asian foreigners, which are probably better than the EU/America ones:
a) Jim
b) Sen
c) Has
d) Toodming
e) Macsed
These listed above are probably the 15 best foreigners on the planet, and I think they are too close to only have 6 on the play, that's why I believe 10-16 spots would be perfect.
I agree, just missing TLO in that list so make it 1-10 + a-e and TLO. Then you have to figure out what would be the best way to determine who is The Best. Put them into 2 groups of 8 players each and do round-robin-group-play (like in Destiny I)? Then take top 2 from each group and do semifinals and finals bo5? I think madals don't have time to do all this and server lag could be an issue for the players in an online tournament, but yeah would probably be the most fair way to really determine who the best is.
And to madals: this tournament you are making is a good idea, I am impressed and it's about time we finally get some "forigner action". Maybe if you could do this monthly (or at least more than once a year) then you don't have to worry to get the perfect matchups, because in time the voters will adapt and get the best player into the tournament.
I would watch for sure (are the lag problems solved for sure now???). :-)
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Pretty cool to see how close the voting is between 2 and 5!
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On August 22 2014 19:08 y0su wrote:
Pretty cool to see how close the voting is between 2 and 5!
Indeed, but not strange considering how few votes they have got so far. Like Grubby have 99 votes and at least 2-3 k viewers when he is streaming. If he just got half his viewers to vote he would be #1 for sure. That is probably the same for several players here, if their fans was aware of it they would each have thousands of votes like Stephano (not in the list though) was streaming yesterday peaking around 4.5 k viewers (or was it even higher?).
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On August 20 2014 06:41 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 05:40 mikumegurine wrote:
Snute just got beat by another foreigner in WCS who isnt even in this poll....cmon u supposed to win the entire thing this season...u the best foreigner...
so for example, if Snute is not in this top 4 popularity contest, and so must go through the qualifiers for the 2 spots
Snute would be knocked out of the entire "Best Foreigner Hope tournament", and not be counted as BEST foreigner
good thing Snute is popular and in social media and will get invited so he doesnt have to go through the qualifiers for the 2 spots like most the foreigners will have to do right? OMG, you are so right. Snute may have won 10k$ more then every other foreigner in 2014 and he may be ahead 500 WCS points over every other foreigner, but he lost a a single ZvZ series by one map difference. Clearly he is not top-foreigner material and should be excluded from the poll. But that is not enough: Scarlett lost to MaSa, who is not in the pull as well during IEM qualifiers, so she should be excluded! Welmu lost to TargA, who is not in the poll during WTB EU qualifiers, so he should be excluded! Nerchio lost to TargA during Go4SC2 #394 as well, so he should be excluded! MajOr lost Miniraiser at Anaheim, let's throw him out as well! Vortix hasn't played an official game in two weeks, clearly he is inactive, so out with him! Bunny is only here, because his race is OP as shit, he would never be able to do the same with P or Z, out with him! Sen dropped 2 maps (in a bo5) to Guitarcheese 3 months ago, out with him! Be gone, all you filthy casuals! Ok, enough with the sarcasm, while voting might not be an optimal system, your attacks against Snute are just incredibly wrong.
It's the second time somebody brings up that match and I didn't lose it, it was a walkover 
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On August 23 2014 22:31 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 06:41 Xoronius wrote:On August 20 2014 05:40 mikumegurine wrote:
Snute just got beat by another foreigner in WCS who isnt even in this poll....cmon u supposed to win the entire thing this season...u the best foreigner...
so for example, if Snute is not in this top 4 popularity contest, and so must go through the qualifiers for the 2 spots
Snute would be knocked out of the entire "Best Foreigner Hope tournament", and not be counted as BEST foreigner
good thing Snute is popular and in social media and will get invited so he doesnt have to go through the qualifiers for the 2 spots like most the foreigners will have to do right? OMG, you are so right. Snute may have won 10k$ more then every other foreigner in 2014 and he may be ahead 500 WCS points over every other foreigner, but he lost a a single ZvZ series by one map difference. Clearly he is not top-foreigner material and should be excluded from the poll. But that is not enough: Scarlett lost to MaSa, who is not in the pull as well during IEM qualifiers, so she should be excluded! Welmu lost to TargA, who is not in the poll during WTB EU qualifiers, so he should be excluded! Nerchio lost to TargA during Go4SC2 #394 as well, so he should be excluded! MajOr lost Miniraiser at Anaheim, let's throw him out as well! Vortix hasn't played an official game in two weeks, clearly he is inactive, so out with him! Bunny is only here, because his race is OP as shit, he would never be able to do the same with P or Z, out with him! Sen dropped 2 maps (in a bo5) to Guitarcheese 3 months ago, out with him! Be gone, all you filthy casuals! Ok, enough with the sarcasm, while voting might not be an optimal system, your attacks against Snute are just incredibly wrong. It's the second time somebody brings up that match and I didn't lose it, it was a walkover
Sorry, I was browsing through you aligulac match history to find something and this was there. I didn't mean to spread false information, was just relying on the info to be true.
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On August 22 2014 19:43 Svarvsven wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 19:08 y0su wrote:
Pretty cool to see how close the voting is between 2 and 5! Indeed, but not strange considering how few votes they have got so far. Like Grubby have 99 votes and at least 2-3 k viewers when he is streaming. If he just got half his viewers to vote he would be #1 for sure. That is probably the same for several players here, if their fans was aware of it they would each have thousands of votes like Stephano (not in the list though) was streaming yesterday peaking around 4.5 k viewers (or was it even higher?).
But do they think Grubby should be in top4?
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Updated - Current Prize Pool = $2368.36
Hoping we can get this a bit higher still
Will be updating with the format voting later this week!
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Nerchio in top2 now köh köh....polish fans has arrived
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On August 25 2014 01:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Nerchio in top2 now köh köh....polish fans has arrived
yea like people have said, this Poll is accurate and with definitely give the 4 best foreigners in the world
Nerchio is definitely the 2nd best foreigner in the world, the Poll is absolute
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On August 23 2014 23:02 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
But do they think Grubby should be in top4?
No, considering his results last 12 months I can say Grubby is not top 4 forigner atm. My point was that several players on this list do have a core fan base probably larger than the highest voter here have, so anyone of the players that mentions this on his / her stream and provides a link might drastically change the result compared to what we have now.
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Nerchio in top 2 makes me salty. Maximum overrustle.
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On August 25 2014 01:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Nerchio in top2 now köh köh....polish fans has arrived
Funny how you mention polish fans and fail to see dozens of finns in the thread "strangely" voting/supporting Welmu lol.
Edit : heh, just noticed the comment above - another unbiased Finn! :D
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On August 26 2014 05:12 Luolis wrote:
Nerchio in top 2 makes me salty. Maximum overrustle.
Quick, we need more votes so he can be top 1
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I dig that top 4.
Salty Finns make it even better.
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I do hope we can get this to be a repeated event. Like, top 1 or 2 from this one get seeded into the next tournament, plus invitations and qualifiers like before
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On August 26 2014 05:12 Luolis wrote:
Nerchio in top 2 makes me salty. Maximum overrustle.
You don't like players who are good at the game, or what?
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