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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 11:16:02
August 11 2014 11:15 GMT
#321
(T)Bomber vs (T)Mvp is on

Don't know what to watch
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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
August 11 2014 11:16 GMT
#322
On August 11 2014 20:14 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 20:12 BlackCompany wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:12 Paljas wrote:
Maru is going Tank Bio in TvP?
Did he find Byun?


Maybe Kespa is innocent and Byun is on a chain in Marus cellar all the time

Byuns search for the perfect TvP has finally come to an end.
He told the only worthy Terran how to perform the holy strategy


The question is: Does Byun tell Maru because he thinks only Maru is good enough or does Maru steal Byuns build and force him to stay away for ever?
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 11 2014 11:16 GMT
#323
On August 11 2014 20:15 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 20:10 NarutO wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:08 Circumstance wrote:
Isn't it funny how these sub-optimal conditions ONLY seem to be affecting Flash? Not Maru, not Dear, not Bbyong, Roro, Marineking, Parting, not Flash's teammate in the KT Rolster team house TY, but somehow Flash can't play under this same single change?


People are different yes. HyuN could still farm Zotac and Go4 cross server. INnoVation can play on EU but not on NA. Maybe Flash just feels slightest delay. Who are you to question him? He's the player and as a caster you don't feel the lag spikes or slightest delay, but as a player you will.

He goddamn measures his keyboard and mouse with a ruler, what do you believe are perfect conditions for him? Not a single bit different from what he is used which he simply asks to get. Perfectly fine.


And yet he agreed to play SHOUTCraft, in which he had no less than 3 casters from different parts of the world observing the games at any given moment.

And he agrees to be casted in the GSL—your point?
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
August 11 2014 11:16 GMT
#324
On August 11 2014 20:14 Pandemona wrote:
Wow Maru still gets excellent trades when he shudnt xD


Maru's bio starts with built-in 2-2 upgrades. No other way he always wins these battles that everyone else would lose
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
August 11 2014 11:16 GMT
#325
On August 11 2014 20:08 Circumstance wrote:
Isn't it funny how these sub-optimal conditions ONLY seem to be affecting Flash? Not Maru, not Dear, not Bbyong, Roro, Marineking, Parting, not Flash's teammate in the KT Rolster team house TY, but somehow Flash can't play under this same single change?

Flash is a person who fixes his keyboard position with a ruler. He's a perfectionist, more so than other players.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
August 11 2014 11:17 GMT
#326
maru is disgusting. i mean it's "only" trust but still, what a player
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 11 2014 11:17 GMT
#327
On August 11 2014 20:13 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 20:08 NarutO wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:07 Musicus wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:05 NarutO wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:04 Musicus wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:02 NarutO wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:01 Musicus wrote:
On August 11 2014 19:58 NarutO wrote:
On August 11 2014 19:56 Circumstance wrote:
On August 11 2014 19:52 NarutO wrote:
[quote]

Cry more. Its perfectly fine and his choice to deny casters. There is no rule as the admins said. No way to enforce it. As you can see, in Korea there are no replays uploaded for the qualifier which actually IS a rule. If you make strict rules, KeSPa teams and lots of players simply won't play.


I'm not saying he should be forced. I'm saying he should follow the exampe of literally every other player we've seen and not be a jackass.



Wanting to play under best conditions is not being a jackass. Asking a player to not play under best conditions is


ESL wants to provide good games. If you enforce replays, I am willing to bet money that the KeSPa players won't take part.

Yeah I think it's fine if he worries about cross server lag, but the replay thing really ticks me off, always did. They can't just stand above the rules. If they don't want to play, don't, but follow the rules. They show disrespect imo, they would/could never do that in a KeSPA tournament. Mostly I am angry at ESL for not enforcing the rules though.



Yeah I'd rather see them not take part then, I think they would come around eventually. Rules are rules and IEM and other foreign tournaments shoudl stop giving them special treatment or they will never change. Let them sit in Korea all year and sooner or later they will budge in I think.


Yes and we will miss all brilliant games. Not the price I would want to pay.


I would, for a future were foreign tournaments are on equal ground with KeSPA and not at their mercy.

I guess we agree to disagree <3


The foreign scene cannot compete with KeSPa. Why would I watch lower level Starcraft if I can see the best of the best? You could put any foreigner in that grid and no one would make it. I am a fan of Starcraft and I want high level play, thats why I am a professional caster now. The price of not getting replays is no big price to pay to see such a tournament.


You are kinda ignoring my point about playing hard for a while, to get them to play in the future while following the rules. The foreign scene cannot compete in level of play, but foreign tournaments should be on even level with KeSPA as organisations. It's the korean scene that can not compete with the foreign scene when it comes to money. Sure we sacrifice some games right now, but the foreign market is too big for them to sit out forever. They would come around and finally we are on even terms.


The KeSPa teams have a shit ton of money. If you believe there's money missing in Korea to grow the scene you are mistaken. The money is missing for all players to make a living out of being a progamer. It was the same in broodwar even though Broodwar was bigger.

As you mentioned in KeSPa tournaments they would follow the rules: yes. But KeSPa doesn't enforce replays and only VODs ! Koreans bring a lot of value to the foreign tournaments, so while they might not be able to ignore the foreign scene, we surely cannot ignore getting players from Korea.

A tournament without Koreans won by someone is a minor success, rarely valueable as Naniwa once said. Koreans kind of validate your tournamnet as high level.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 11 2014 11:18 GMT
#328
(T)Maru 2-0 (P)Trust

(T)Maru VS (T)Flash
WINNER IN IEM QUALIFIER STAGE 2!
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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
August 11 2014 11:18 GMT
#329
Maru doing Maru things
Sad hes going to loose to Flash now though
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
August 11 2014 11:18 GMT
#330
Now I can't watch Maru play
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 11 2014 11:18 GMT
#331
wtf was that build by Maru
that looked almost unfair with the shield damage widow mines
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 11 2014 11:19 GMT
#332
On August 11 2014 20:15 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 20:10 NarutO wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:08 Circumstance wrote:
Isn't it funny how these sub-optimal conditions ONLY seem to be affecting Flash? Not Maru, not Dear, not Bbyong, Roro, Marineking, Parting, not Flash's teammate in the KT Rolster team house TY, but somehow Flash can't play under this same single change?


People are different yes. HyuN could still farm Zotac and Go4 cross server. INnoVation can play on EU but not on NA. Maybe Flash just feels slightest delay. Who are you to question him? He's the player and as a caster you don't feel the lag spikes or slightest delay, but as a player you will.

He goddamn measures his keyboard and mouse with a ruler, what do you believe are perfect conditions for him? Not a single bit different from what he is used which he simply asks to get. Perfectly fine.


And yet he agreed to play SHOUTCraft, in which he had no less than 3 casters from different parts of the world observing the games at any given moment.


Maintournament vs qualifier - see the difference?
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 11:27:36
August 11 2014 11:22 GMT
#333
(Z)Leenock vs (T)TY
Winner advances to qualifier stage 2

(T)Cure vs (T)Sorry
Winner advances to qualifier stage 2

(T)Maru vs (T)Flash
Winner advances to qualifier stage 2

(Z)EffOrt vs (P)Super
Winner advances to qualifier stage 2
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
August 11 2014 11:25 GMT
#334
On August 11 2014 20:22 Pandemona wrote:
(Z)Leenock vs (T)TY
Winner advances to qualifier stage 2

(T)Cure vs (T)Bbyong/(T)Sorry
Winner advances to qualifier stage 2

(T)Maru vs (T)Flash
Winner advances to qualifier stage 2

(Z)EffOrt vs (P)Super
Winner advances to qualifier stage 2

the level of this tournament is too damn high.
Anyway, pls TY, pls Cure, pls EffOrt, pls Flash kthx!
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
August 11 2014 11:26 GMT
#335
Want to see Leenock vs TY!
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
August 11 2014 11:27 GMT
#336
On August 11 2014 20:17 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 20:13 Musicus wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:08 NarutO wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:07 Musicus wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:05 NarutO wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:04 Musicus wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:02 NarutO wrote:
On August 11 2014 20:01 Musicus wrote:
On August 11 2014 19:58 NarutO wrote:
On August 11 2014 19:56 Circumstance wrote:
[quote]

I'm not saying he should be forced. I'm saying he should follow the exampe of literally every other player we've seen and not be a jackass.



Wanting to play under best conditions is not being a jackass. Asking a player to not play under best conditions is


ESL wants to provide good games. If you enforce replays, I am willing to bet money that the KeSPa players won't take part.

Yeah I think it's fine if he worries about cross server lag, but the replay thing really ticks me off, always did. They can't just stand above the rules. If they don't want to play, don't, but follow the rules. They show disrespect imo, they would/could never do that in a KeSPA tournament. Mostly I am angry at ESL for not enforcing the rules though.



Yeah I'd rather see them not take part then, I think they would come around eventually. Rules are rules and IEM and other foreign tournaments shoudl stop giving them special treatment or they will never change. Let them sit in Korea all year and sooner or later they will budge in I think.


Yes and we will miss all brilliant games. Not the price I would want to pay.


I would, for a future were foreign tournaments are on equal ground with KeSPA and not at their mercy.

I guess we agree to disagree <3


The foreign scene cannot compete with KeSPa. Why would I watch lower level Starcraft if I can see the best of the best? You could put any foreigner in that grid and no one would make it. I am a fan of Starcraft and I want high level play, thats why I am a professional caster now. The price of not getting replays is no big price to pay to see such a tournament.


You are kinda ignoring my point about playing hard for a while, to get them to play in the future while following the rules. The foreign scene cannot compete in level of play, but foreign tournaments should be on even level with KeSPA as organisations. It's the korean scene that can not compete with the foreign scene when it comes to money. Sure we sacrifice some games right now, but the foreign market is too big for them to sit out forever. They would come around and finally we are on even terms.


The KeSPa teams have a shit ton of money. If you believe there's money missing in Korea to grow the scene you are mistaken. The money is missing for all players to make a living out of being a progamer. It was the same in broodwar even though Broodwar was bigger.

As you mentioned in KeSPa tournaments they would follow the rules: yes. But KeSPa doesn't enforce replays and only VODs ! Koreans bring a lot of value to the foreign tournaments, so while they might not be able to ignore the foreign scene, we surely cannot ignore getting players from Korea.

A tournament without Koreans won by someone is a minor success, rarely valueable as Naniwa once said. Koreans kind of validate your tournamnet as high level.


Hm for me it's matter of principals. Follow the rules or don't play and don't give them special treatment.

I guess it would be interesting to see, if IEM enforced the rules, who would give in first? Would KeSPA come around and let their players play and upload replays, or would IEM change the rules first to get them to play again. I actually think it would be different from team to team, SKT and KT are really only interested in the Korean market, not so much Samsung for example, who send their players to all kinds of tournaments including HSC and LSC since Samsung has a global market.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
August 11 2014 11:27 GMT
#337
(T)Sorry 2-1 (T)Bbyong
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 11 2014 11:27 GMT
#338
On August 11 2014 20:27 Yhamm wrote:
(T)Sorry 2-1 (T)Bbyong

wow, huge suprise
TL+ Member
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 11 2014 11:28 GMT
#339
is it me or are a lot of these not names we're used to seeing in IEM?
TL+ Member
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
August 11 2014 11:29 GMT
#340
Man if Sorry does it, I don't even know who he is or how he looks.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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