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This could turn uglier than yesterday for SKT. herO, Bboyng are deadly in all-kill format when rolling.. Classic is turning into PL flop after his awesome GSL lol.
Pretty surprised SKT is sending out Dark in all-kill format. He's good, but they only get to send out 4 players in this format. They really think that Dark is better than soO/Soulkey/PartinG/Rain/Classic? Now they only get to use three of those five. I predict soO and Classic get the day off.
On July 21 2014 11:46 Yakikorosu wrote: Pretty surprised SKT is sending out Dark in all-kill format. He's good, but they only get to send out 4 players in this format. They really think that Dark is better than soO/Soulkey/PartinG/Rain/Classic? Now they only get to use three of those five. I predict soO and Classic get the day off.
It's one of the conundrums of All-Kill format: If you send out a heavy-hitter first, it's an easy snipe, but it also means your choices later are more difficult if you don't.
In this case I think it's smart - if Dark can force out one of herO/Bbyong, it makes SKT's life a lot easier MU-wise.
On July 21 2014 11:46 Yakikorosu wrote: Pretty surprised SKT is sending out Dark in all-kill format. He's good, but they only get to send out 4 players in this format. They really think that Dark is better than soO/Soulkey/PartinG/Rain/Classic? Now they only get to use three of those five. I predict soO and Classic get the day off.
Pretty surprising when SKT's run is on the line. They did say he was #1 in the in house rankings at some point though, so the kid must be legit.
On July 21 2014 17:41 Pandemona wrote: I will for you Aeromi, but i think our friend Templar will be LR for us If not ill recap every game i can (at work too )
I think The_Templar is busy today but just do a recap, you have to work too.
I'm just loving this PL season... it's shown us sooo many great games. Plus the addition of Moonglade to the casting has turned out to be amazing for the quality of the english strem. Gogo CJ!
HYPE! Really interesting to see Dark vs Bunny again on the same map, will be fun to compare how they differentiate to yesterdays game. I hope that Bbyong gets multiple kills, more terran the better!
On July 21 2014 17:56 Calthrash wrote: HYPE! Really interesting to see Dark vs Bunny again on the same map, will be fun to compare how they differentiate to yesterdays game. I hope that Bbyong gets multiple kills, more terran the better!
And thanks for the TL+ Lorning!! <3
You deserved it, nice hype pics :D
@Aeromi, no worries ill recap then. Yeah i should be done with my morning jobs by the time game 1 starts xd Just got to ring Scotland now and see if i can understand their accent (im English too! haha i have no idea what they are saying )
Why soO was ace after losing to herO earlier on i have no idea. Bit of a mistake from SKT head coach. PvP gods on their team with PartinG / Classic / Rain would of been very easy to send out Rain due to doing well in Code S earlier in the week.
Dark with the googogogo followed by Bunny with the gogoog in pre game lobby. So much mind games
Bunny spawns 2oclock Dark 6oclock
Proleague telling us the record in hots between these two is 1-0 Dark, so you can assume the first time they met was yesterday where Dark was victorious
15H and 13Rax standard so far from both No gas for Bunny yet, oh it goes down on 15 as i type Gas on 17 for Dark Bunny reactors his barracks AND WE HAVE COMPUTER ISSUE FROM BUNNY Admins rushing in. And we're back around 5 minutes later thanks to Emmet rebuilding the game with his lego blocks (nope, im not sponsored by lego to say that) CC going down for Bunny 2 queens and speed on its way for Dark Factory down now for Bunny Standard so far Factory drops onto the reactor after 2 more marines were pushed out Helions incoming along with starport now. tech lab too. Banshee helion push most likely coming here 2nd gas for Bunny Darks speed has finished and he takes his 3rd whilst spreading creeps and making queens Lairs starts as the first medivac begins Ooooo fake out! He started medivac upgrade to pretend he is researching banshee where he is just making medivac for helion drop 1 spore is down 5 Drones die to that hellion drop Spire on its way Stim and 2 ebays for Bunny 1-1 upgrades incoming Spire completes 3rd down for Bunny Bane nest on way for Dark Combat shields starting now for bunny Muta poking bunny just goes for a push as he forgot his MT timings Now a drop in the main from Bunny whilst a ling run by is doing damage in bunny base as well 90 supply T vs 90 supply Z 3rd of Darks is killed 2-2 started for Bunny 1hellbat and marines in base of Dark 1-1 just started for Dark Big mine shot with the last hoorah from Dark He tried to hit but just doesn't have the lava so his army is weak and muta just dieing 30 supply lead for Bunny as he is trying to force into the natural Huge bane shot helps Dark hold his natural but he is 2base vs 3! 2-2 is about to complete for Bunny with 1-1 bane speed and overlord speed incoming for Dark 3rd Hatch is being targeted again to try and force a cancel and it dies and that forces the gg
On July 21 2014 18:57 Heartland wrote: Hmm. To send out Rain now to try and get a few wins and power through so that some others can close it out, or go out with Soulkey or soO?
It's either going to be Parting or Rain is my guess, Bunny is a TvZ specialist after all~
On July 21 2014 18:57 Heartland wrote: Hmm. To send out Rain now to try and get a few wins and power through so that some others can close it out, or go out with Soulkey or soO?
I'd call Rain the best option against a Terran opponent here.
That's actually a fair point. Zerg make buildings by evolving the Drone. Protoss make buildings by Warping them in from Shakuras or wherever. Where does all that metal come from for those SCVs to construct buildings with?
Classic, who is orange, spawns in the bottom right Bunny, who is yellow, spawns in the top left
04:00 Bunny goes for a rax into expo Parting goes for a Nexus first into gate and gas
06:00 Parting gets a twilight council while Bunny gets a third CC and 2 more rax Blink starts for Parting, Bunny scans the main
08:00 2 more gates and a Robo for Parting, Stim and marauder production is on the way for Bunny Warp prism for Parting while he puts on a bit of aggression with stalkers
09:00 Parting puts on heavier pressure, forcing repair on bunkers +1 and starport are in production for bunny combat shield starts
Classic, who is orange, spawns in the bottom right Bunny, who is yellow, spawns in the top left
04:00 Bunny goes for a rax into expo Parting goes for a Nexus first into gate and gas
06:00 Parting gets a twilight council while Bunny gets a third CC and 2 more rax Blink starts for Parting, Bunny scans the main
08:00 2 more gates and a Robo for Parting, Stim and marauder production is on the way for Bunny Warp prism for Parting while he puts on a bit of aggression with stalkers
09:00 Parting puts on heavier pressure, forcing repair on bunkers +1 and starport are in production for bunny combat shield starts
10:00 Bunny attempts to fly his third to the base, but gets stopped by blink stalkers Warp prism flies into the main, zealots warp in Parting gets collosi and a third, zealots do a lot of damage
12:00 Bunny finally fights of the stalkers Parting has 2 collosi and pushes out, bunny gets 2nd starport Parting forces the lift on the third, Bunny getting 4 vikings at once
13:00 Parting only has one armor upgrade, just getting +1 attack BIG attack from Parting, Bunny can't hold MANNER NEXUS
Classic, who is orange, spawns in the bottom right Bunny, who is yellow, spawns in the top left
04:00 Bunny goes for a rax into expo Parting goes for a Nexus first into gate and gas
06:00 Parting gets a twilight council while Bunny gets a third CC and 2 more rax Blink starts for Parting, Bunny scans the main
08:00 2 more gates and a Robo for Parting, Stim and marauder production is on the way for Bunny Warp prism for Parting while he puts on a bit of aggression with stalkers
09:00 Parting puts on heavier pressure, forcing repair on bunkers +1 and starport are in production for bunny combat shield starts
10:00 Bunny attempts to fly his third to the base, but gets stopped by blink stalkers Warp prism flies into the main, zealots warp in Parting gets collosi and a third, zealots do a lot of damage
12:00 Bunny finally fights of the stalkers Parting has 2 collosi and pushes out, bunny gets 2nd starport Parting forces the lift on the third, Bunny getting 4 vikings at once
13:00 Parting only has one armor upgrade, just getting +1 attack BIG attack from Parting, Bunny can't hold MANNER NEXUS
wow amazing parting play . still disapoint by the ridiculous amount of pressure a pprotoss can pull off from a nexus first while macro and tech to collo
On July 21 2014 19:16 Heartland wrote: "Hi, I am Heartland, would you like to sign this petititon to rename King Sojung Station to Queen Sojung Station?"
On July 21 2014 18:55 TheDwf wrote: What was this build from Dark...
a build from a zerg scared of a 8mins hellbat/banshee push that never came?
His build was precisely far from being Hellbat-proof.
yeah you're certainly right. Yet he surely wanted to be on defnesive mode with these spines and spores and 5 queens and so many lings...
On second game :
Great game from parting, I would have been shocked if Bunny's 3 CC strat would have worked on this map, in this position against someone as aggressive as parting though... Looks like bunny after fulfulling his Drak sniping mission, tried to gamble a bit...
Parting, spawns in the top left herO, spawns in the bottom right
02:00 10 gate for PartinG 14 gate for herO gas 14 for Parting double gas 15 herO Core on 2:30 for PartinG
03:00 fast Mommaship for ParinG, stalker after herO goes second gate, mothership, stalker
05:00 BOTH go Twilight, warpgate research is about equal Third gate for herO
06:00 PartinG starts blink while harassing herO's mineral line, but loses the mommaship herO starts blink and robo too Parting starts robo
07:00 Blink finishes early for PartinG, herO loses THREE stalkers herO in trouble, starts obs
08:00 PartinG starts a nexus, soft containing herO
09:00 herO with a huge blink on PartinG's stalkers, loses a lot herO pushes in: stalker count: 10 for herO, 8 for PartinG
10:00 Nexus cannon forces herO away, PartinG gets ome breathing time herO blinks to the main WAS HERO TO AGGRESSIVE THE ANSWER IS YES herO GG's SKT 2 - 1 CJ
With that loss, CJ have no reliable answer to soO/Soulkey and fielding Bbyong will get him snipe. Fielding Hush is a huge risk unless SKT decides to field another Protoss. Maybe Gumiho
On July 21 2014 19:29 Zealously wrote: With that loss, CJ have no reliable answer to soO/Soulkey and fielding Bbyong will get him snipe. Fielding Hush is a huge risk unless SKT decides to field another Protoss. Maybe Gumiho
yeah herO is the only one capable of winning soO and SK realistically
On July 21 2014 19:29 Zealously wrote: With that loss, CJ have no reliable answer to soO/Soulkey and fielding Bbyong will get him snipe. Fielding Hush is a huge risk unless SKT decides to field another Protoss. Maybe Gumiho
Even after he committed to the attack, he had a huge opportunity to blink-snipe parting's MSC and remove nexus cannon from the game.... would've given him a huge opportunity to win before immortals or at least kill the nexus and start his own...
On July 21 2014 19:29 Zealously wrote: With that loss, CJ have no reliable answer to soO/Soulkey and fielding Bbyong will get him snipe. Fielding Hush is a huge risk unless SKT decides to field another Protoss. Maybe Gumiho
But who do they use to try and beat PartinG anyway, sending out herO was obvious choice and it was PvP bo1, hard to guarantee yourself a win.
Just tough answer in this format for CJ vs SKT as the roster so big.
On July 21 2014 19:29 Zealously wrote: With that loss, CJ have no reliable answer to soO/Soulkey and fielding Bbyong will get him snipe. Fielding Hush is a huge risk unless SKT decides to field another Protoss. Maybe Gumiho
Sora 3 - 1 PartinG
I was in everyone's faces about that result but come on, Sora does not beat Parting with any consistency in this scenario.
On July 21 2014 19:29 Zealously wrote: With that loss, CJ have no reliable answer to soO/Soulkey and fielding Bbyong will get him snipe. Fielding Hush is a huge risk unless SKT decides to field another Protoss. Maybe Gumiho
But who do they use to try and beat PartinG anyway, sending out herO was obvious choice and it was PvP bo1, hard to guarantee yourself a win.
Just tough answer in this format for CJ vs SKT as the roster so big.
I think Hush, Gumiho or even Bbyong would have been better choices. Hush is "expendable" while Gumiho and Bbyong can get streaky. Losing herO eliminates their only reliable vZ player.
On July 21 2014 19:29 Zealously wrote: With that loss, CJ have no reliable answer to soO/Soulkey and fielding Bbyong will get him snipe. Fielding Hush is a huge risk unless SKT decides to field another Protoss. Maybe Gumiho
But who do they use to try and beat PartinG anyway, sending out herO was obvious choice and it was PvP bo1, hard to guarantee yourself a win.
Just tough answer in this format for CJ vs SKT as the roster so big.
I think Hush, Gumiho or even Bbyong would have been better choices. Hush is "expendable" while Gumiho and Bbyong can get streaky. Losing herO eliminates their only reliable vZ player.
I think Hydra has been quite good vs Zerg too. And Bbyong isn't that bad, can probably take on the lesser evil, SK.
On July 21 2014 19:29 Zealously wrote: With that loss, CJ have no reliable answer to soO/Soulkey and fielding Bbyong will get him snipe. Fielding Hush is a huge risk unless SKT decides to field another Protoss. Maybe Gumiho
But who do they use to try and beat PartinG anyway, sending out herO was obvious choice and it was PvP bo1, hard to guarantee yourself a win.
Just tough answer in this format for CJ vs SKT as the roster so big.
I think Hush, Gumiho or even Bbyong would have been better choices. Hush is "expendable" while Gumiho and Bbyong can get streaky. Losing herO eliminates their only reliable vZ player.
I think Hydra has been quite good vs Zerg too. And Bbyong isn't that bad, can probably take on the lesser evil, SK.
Hydra s good vs Z but he s too unreliable and may throw at any moment...
Can't see PartinG losing to this, come on show us the old ESF ways of dealing with this silly Mech. PLEASE, make this seasons Code S not about Artosis spamming for everyone to go Mech because it beat protoss twice ;_;
Parting, spawns in the bottom right Bbyong, spawns in the top left
02:00 Rax first for Bbyong Gate and gas for PartinG Gas for Bbyong
03:00 CC and reactor for Bbyong Nexus for PartinG, mothership core comes out
04:00 Factory for Bbyong Stalker and warpgate for PartinG
05:00 Twilight council for PartinG Starport and widow mine for Bbyong Second gas for Bbyong Blink starts for PartinG
06:00 First medivac starts for Bbyong Robo for PartinG
07:00 3rd and 4th gas for PartinG go down, 2 more gates Another CC for Bbyong and siege tank comes out
08:00 RAVEN for Bbyong Bbyong does a marine runby flies medivac full of marines in the main, but gets shut down hard
Banshees, tanks and marines for Bbyong Stalkers try to do damage but get shut down too Nexus for PartinG + robo bay
10:00 Stalkers catch the banshee infernal pre-igniter BBYONG GOES MECH 2 more facts
11:00 PartinG already started his immortal production, tries to do damage to Bbyong's third 2 more CC's, 2 more facts PartinG throws down more gateways and gets a prism
Parting, spawns in the bottom right Bbyong, spawns in the top left
02:00 Rax first for Bbyong Gate and gas for PartinG Gas for Bbyong
03:00 CC and reactor for Bbyong Nexus for PartinG, mothership core comes out
04:00 Factory for Bbyong Stalker and warpgate for PartinG
05:00 Twilight council for PartinG Starport and widow mine for Bbyong Second gas for Bbyong Blink starts for PartinG
06:00 First medivac starts for Bbyong Robo for PartinG
07:00 3rd and 4th gas for PartinG go down, 2 more gates Another CC for Bbyong and siege tank comes out
08:00 RAVEN for Bbyong Bbyong does a marine runby flies medivac full of marines in the main, but gets shut down hard
Banshees, tanks and marines for Bbyong Stalkers try to do damage but get shut down too Nexus for PartinG + robo bay
10:00 Stalkers catch the banshee infernal pre-igniter BBYONG GOES MECH 2 more facts
11:00 PartinG already started his immortal production, tries to do damage to Bbyong's third 2 more CC's, 2 more facts PartinG throws down more gateways and gets a prism
12:00 2 armories for Bbyong
13:00 Mass stalkers immortal head on attack on the third TOO MANY STALKERS BBYONG'S DEAD Bbyong GG's SKT 3 - 1 CJ
I'm sorry but that a poor decision to go for the same build on that map. Esp with arguably your best player. I woulda preferred a straight up game, I think he coulda taken parting.
I think that mech build is probably really good vs someone who is unprepared. But on the same map a player who has watched the game and has some experience will be able to pressure and do a timing attack, find hidden CCs and so on.
On July 21 2014 19:43 jekku wrote: I'm sorry but that a poor decision to go for the same build on that map. Esp with arguably your best player. I woulda preferred a straight up game, I think he coulda taken parting.
It isn't impossible that this is Bbyong's go-to vP build on Outboxer
He had Blue Flame but no Units, im so confused. I think he wouldve been in a good spot if he hadnt donated that medivac in the beginning after killing 10 probes.
On July 21 2014 19:43 jekku wrote: I'm sorry but that a poor decision to go for the same build on that map. Esp with arguably your best player. I woulda preferred a straight up game, I think he coulda taken parting.
It isn't impossible that this is Bbyong's go-to vP build on Outboxer
I liked the build where he just straight up killed Zest more
Parting showing why I was so sad yesterday when a SKT protoss lost to this. Too easy when u make 2 CC that fast at 3rd. This is how it should always go even if u scout it late :D
The simple fact he tried it again after doing it yesterday shows undoubtly that there at least one person in the world (Bbyong) thinking mech is good vs toss (on this map at least)
On July 21 2014 19:43 jekku wrote: I'm sorry but that a poor decision to go for the same build on that map. Esp with arguably your best player. I woulda preferred a straight up game, I think he coulda taken parting.
It isn't impossible that this is Bbyong's go-to vP build on Outboxer
I liked the build where he just straight up killed Zest more
Yeah I just dont think the same build on the same map vs the same team the very next day is gonna work. Mech vs a prepared toss is very hard to make work.
On July 21 2014 19:45 -y0shi- wrote: He had Blue Flame but no Units, im so confused. I think he wouldve been in a good spot if he hadnt donated that medivac in the beginning after killing 10 probes.
If everything had been a bit tighter it could have played out very differently. Keeping the drop alive, not losing that Banshee. Tanks in better positions. If Bbyong holds there and gets his Planetary wall up he can start building a fearsome army. It's hard because that is such a weak point for his build and PartinG clearly knew he had a big opening there.
On July 21 2014 19:43 jekku wrote: I'm sorry but that a poor decision to go for the same build on that map. Esp with arguably your best player. I woulda preferred a straight up game, I think he coulda taken parting.
It isn't impossible that this is Bbyong's go-to vP build on Outboxer
I liked the build where he just straight up killed Zest more
Yeah I just dont think the same build on the same map vs the same team the very next day is gonna work. Mech vs a prepared toss is very hard to make work.
On July 21 2014 19:43 jekku wrote: I'm sorry but that a poor decision to go for the same build on that map. Esp with arguably your best player. I woulda preferred a straight up game, I think he coulda taken parting.
It isn't impossible that this is Bbyong's go-to vP build on Outboxer
I liked the build where he just straight up killed Zest more
Yeah I just dont think the same build on the same map vs the same team the very next day is gonna work. Mech vs a prepared toss is very hard to make work.
On July 21 2014 19:45 -y0shi- wrote: He had Blue Flame but no Units, im so confused. I think he wouldve been in a good spot if he hadnt donated that medivac in the beginning after killing 10 probes.
If everything had been a bit tighter it could have played out very differently. Keeping the drop alive, not losing that Banshee. Tanks in better positions. If Bbyong holds there and gets his Planetary wall up he can start building a fearsome army. It's hard because that is such a weak point for his build and PartinG clearly knew he had a big opening there.
I dont think you can hold that kind of push before the planetary wall gets up tbh.
On July 21 2014 19:52 SC2Towelie wrote: I really hate these breaks. It doesn't matter how attractive the girls are that you put in your commercials. I'm here for SC2, not dota...
Yeah those interviews from last season were AMAZING! I actually looked forward to the breaks and the new interviews each couple weeks.
On July 21 2014 19:43 jekku wrote: I'm sorry but that a poor decision to go for the same build on that map. Esp with arguably your best player. I woulda preferred a straight up game, I think he coulda taken parting.
It isn't impossible that this is Bbyong's go-to vP build on Outboxer
I liked the build where he just straight up killed Zest more
Yeah I just dont think the same build on the same map vs the same team the very next day is gonna work. Mech vs a prepared toss is very hard to make work.
Obv Bbyong disagrees.
Well he didn't do a great job proving his point .
Going 1-1? Beating a GSL champ and losing to WCS champ.
On July 21 2014 19:43 jekku wrote: I'm sorry but that a poor decision to go for the same build on that map. Esp with arguably your best player. I woulda preferred a straight up game, I think he coulda taken parting.
It isn't impossible that this is Bbyong's go-to vP build on Outboxer
I liked the build where he just straight up killed Zest more
Yeah I just dont think the same build on the same map vs the same team the very next day is gonna work. Mech vs a prepared toss is very hard to make work.
Obv Bbyong disagrees.
Well he didn't do a great job proving his point .
Going 1-1? Beating a GSL champ and losing to WCS champ.
He lost today. That's what I was referring to. I just don't like doing the same build again on the same map when the teams so clearly not gonna be fooled by it again.
I wish sea would of stuck it out with sc2. He was the only one who could make mech work consistently vs toss. It was fun to watch. Dunno if it would of lasted though.
They're criticizing the hydra pick but is effort really that much of a better pick? I suppose his zvp is better but I dont see either taking 3 in a row.
On July 21 2014 19:43 jekku wrote: I'm sorry but that a poor decision to go for the same build on that map. Esp with arguably your best player. I woulda preferred a straight up game, I think he coulda taken parting.
It isn't impossible that this is Bbyong's go-to vP build on Outboxer
I liked the build where he just straight up killed Zest more
Yeah I just dont think the same build on the same map vs the same team the very next day is gonna work. Mech vs a prepared toss is very hard to make work.
Obv Bbyong disagrees.
Well he didn't do a great job proving his point .
Going 1-1? Beating a GSL champ and losing to WCS champ.
He lost today. That's what I was referring to. I just don't like doing the same build again on the same map when the teams so clearly not gonna be fooled by it again.
yeah but if he did wqin though, we would all have lost our shit Let's say we almost saw the craziest meta switch in months, that's already something.
The way he repealed the first push after loosing like 16 marines and a medivac is quite inspiring, really he wasn't that far from winning that game...
On July 21 2014 19:59 jekku wrote: They're criticizing the hydra pick but is effort really that much of a better pick? I suppose his zvp is better but I dont see either taking 3 in a row.
Gumiho and Hush would have been better choices I feel
On July 21 2014 19:59 jekku wrote: They're criticizing the hydra pick but is effort really that much of a better pick? I suppose his zvp is better but I dont see either taking 3 in a row.
I think the same as you do. Hydra is not a "I m giving up" pick. I want to believe he can at least prevent PartinG's all-kill
On July 21 2014 19:59 jekku wrote: They're criticizing the hydra pick but is effort really that much of a better pick? I suppose his zvp is better but I dont see either taking 3 in a row.
Gumiho and Hush would have been better choices I feel
even when trying to take down the entirety of the SK bench?
On July 21 2014 19:59 jekku wrote: They're criticizing the hydra pick but is effort really that much of a better pick? I suppose his zvp is better but I dont see either taking 3 in a row.
Gumiho and Hush would have been better choices I feel
even when trying to take down the entirety of the SK bench?
Remember GuMiho in GSTL finals vs SlayerS? and that final in the next season he had also 3 kills
On July 21 2014 19:59 jekku wrote: They're criticizing the hydra pick but is effort really that much of a better pick? I suppose his zvp is better but I dont see either taking 3 in a row.
Gumiho and Hush would have been better choices I feel
Well they don't have the experience Hydra has. I see where your coming from though. You got nothing to lose may as well put someone in there give him experience.
On July 21 2014 19:59 jekku wrote: They're criticizing the hydra pick but is effort really that much of a better pick? I suppose his zvp is better but I dont see either taking 3 in a row.
On July 21 2014 19:59 jekku wrote: They're criticizing the hydra pick but is effort really that much of a better pick? I suppose his zvp is better but I dont see either taking 3 in a row.
Gumiho and Hush would have been better choices I feel
even when trying to take down the entirety of the SK bench?
Remember GuMiho in GSTL finals vs SlayerS? and that final in the next season he had also 3 kills
On July 21 2014 19:43 jekku wrote: I'm sorry but that a poor decision to go for the same build on that map. Esp with arguably your best player. I woulda preferred a straight up game, I think he coulda taken parting.
It isn't impossible that this is Bbyong's go-to vP build on Outboxer
I liked the build where he just straight up killed Zest more
Yeah I just dont think the same build on the same map vs the same team the very next day is gonna work. Mech vs a prepared toss is very hard to make work.
Obv Bbyong disagrees.
Well he didn't do a great job proving his point .
Going 1-1? Beating a GSL champ and losing to WCS champ.
the build was shut down so hard i doubt he will be using it often if at all in the near future
On July 21 2014 19:59 jekku wrote: They're criticizing the hydra pick but is effort really that much of a better pick? I suppose his zvp is better but I dont see either taking 3 in a row.
Gumiho and Hush would have been better choices I feel
even when trying to take down the entirety of the SK bench?
Remember GuMiho in GSTL finals vs SlayerS? and that final in the next season he had also 3 kills
It's like yesteryesteryear. Gumiho is now a borderline Code A player with limited PL appearance man Also Hush could win one PvP or two but theres three left (and he sucked yesterday)
Parting, spawns in the bottom left Hydra, spawns in the top right
02:00 Pool into hatch for Hydra Nexus into gate from PartinG
03:00 Third hatch for Hydra being denied by a pylon Core and Zealot for PartinG
04:00 Hydra kills the pylon and takes the third warpgate starts, stalker too
05:00 Mommaship for PartinG Robo comes out 2 gases for Hydra
06:00 1 more gate for PartinG, Immortals start Lair on the way for Hydra, drones drones drones Starts 3 spore crawlers and ling speed
07:00 Forge for PartinG, more and more immortals +1 for Parting
08:00 Hydra goes Hydras Prism started
Hydra range for Hydra 4 more gates for PartinG I WONDER WHAT THAT BUILD IS
09:00 PartinG is pushing: sentries and Immortal GOOD TIMEWARP FORCEFIELDS EVERYTHING GOES DOWN HYDRA MIGHT HOLD HAS PARTING LOST HIS SOUL HYDRA HOLDS HYDRA HOLDS HYDRA HOLDS
He had a dream spot when he Time Warped to the east, but messed up an FF to let in lings. And then to the north where he could have used two FF's to hold back hydras between the mineral line and the hatch
Parting, spawns in the bottom left Hydra, spawns in the top right
02:00 Pool into hatch for Hydra Nexus into gate from PartinG
03:00 Third hatch for Hydra being denied by a pylon Core and Zealot for PartinG
04:00 Hydra kills the pylon and takes the third warpgate starts, stalker too
05:00 Mommaship for PartinG Robo comes out 2 gases for Hydra
06:00 1 more gate for PartinG, Immortals start Lair on the way for Hydra, drones drones drones Starts 3 spore crawlers and ling speed
07:00 Forge for PartinG, more and more immortals +1 for Parting
08:00 Hydra goes Hydras Prism started
Hydra range for Hydra 4 more gates for PartinG I WONDER WHAT THAT BUILD IS
09:00 PartinG is pushing: sentries and Immortal GOOD TIMEWARP FORCEFIELDS EVERYTHING GOES DOWN HYDRA MIGHT HOLD HAS PARTING LOST HIS SOUL HYDRA HOLDS HYDRA HOLDS HYDRA HOLDS
LINGS SURROUND ALL PARTINGS UNITS Spire starts SOJUNG GOES OHMYGOD
12:00 +1 range for Hydra, hydra speed Hydra attack at PartinG's nat, kill entire army RIP PartinG Catches the prism with 2 immortals in it
On July 21 2014 20:08 Heartland wrote: He had a dream spot when he Time Warped to the east, but messed up an FF to let in lings. And then to the north where he could have used two FF's to hold back hydras between the mineral line and the hatch
Yeah that mineral forcefield was missing. But still hydra's with range, very good counter to this!
Parting, spawns in the bottom left Hydra, spawns in the top right
02:00 Pool into hatch for Hydra Nexus into gate from PartinG
03:00 Third hatch for Hydra being denied by a pylon Core and Zealot for PartinG
04:00 Hydra kills the pylon and takes the third warpgate starts, stalker too
05:00 Mommaship for PartinG Robo comes out 2 gases for Hydra
06:00 1 more gate for PartinG, Immortals start Lair on the way for Hydra, drones drones drones Starts 3 spore crawlers and ling speed
07:00 Forge for PartinG, more and more immortals +1 for Parting
08:00 Hydra goes Hydras Prism started
Hydra range for Hydra 4 more gates for PartinG I WONDER WHAT THAT BUILD IS
09:00 PartinG is pushing: sentries and Immortal GOOD TIMEWARP FORCEFIELDS EVERYTHING GOES DOWN HYDRA MIGHT HOLD HAS PARTING LOST HIS SOUL HYDRA HOLDS HYDRA HOLDS HYDRA HOLDS
LINGS SURROUND ALL PARTINGS UNITS Spire starts SOJUNG GOES OHMYGOD
12:00 +1 range for Hydra, hydra speed Hydra attack at PartinG's nat, kill entire army RIP PartinG Catches the prism with 2 immortals in it
13:00 Mutas are out, more hydras Hydra being safe Parting still on 2 bases
14:00 Mutas fly in and harass Parting pulls all probes and goes all in Hydra has too much PartinG GG's SKT 3 - 2 CJ
Should've been Effort... Hydra might have been able to take out Parting, but he's their last player and I don't think he can take out 2 of soo/soulkey/rain
On July 21 2014 20:12 SC2Towelie wrote: Should've been Effort... Hydra might have been able to take out Parting, but he's their last player and I don't think he can take out 2 of soo/soulkey/rain
I don't understand how people think this. Effort has literally only shown good zvt
well if you think about it, the soultrain was designed to kill roach/ling. New Hydras pretty much wreck sentries with the +1 range and generally are not all that bad against immortals.
On July 21 2014 20:12 SC2Towelie wrote: Should've been Effort... Hydra might have been able to take out Parting, but he's their last player and I don't think he can take out 2 of soo/soulkey/rain
I don't understand how people think this. Effort has literally only shown good zvt
Many of effort losses were actually close games, also he's a monster when it comes to playing under pressure, so I get his point.
On July 21 2014 20:14 Doublemint wrote: well if you think about it, the soultrain was designed to kill roach/ling. New Hydras pretty much wreck sentries with the +1 range and generally are not all that bad against immortals.
On July 21 2014 20:12 SC2Towelie wrote: Should've been Effort... Hydra might have been able to take out Parting, but he's their last player and I don't think he can take out 2 of soo/soulkey/rain
you re a CJ fan, have faith in Hydra! And Effort is only amazing vs T, and he s unlikely to get one vs SKT
On July 21 2014 20:14 Doublemint wrote: well if you think about it, the soultrain was designed to kill roach/ling. New Hydras pretty much wreck sentries with the +1 range and generally are not all that bad against immortals.
Depends a lot on how you ff. If you do it properly, sentry/zealot/immortal trades extremely well vs pure hydra ling. Parting just pushed before he had enough zealots, and then forcefielded the hydras towards his sentries instead of away from them.
come on guys. Hydra = EffOrt in winning ability, hydra is a bit better at losing ability. Their chance is always a coinflip. Thats what you should keep in mind watching CJ playing, everything is a coinflip
On July 21 2014 20:21 WGT-Baal wrote: I think SoJung is a nice addition to the cast though, it's funnier with her in a way (partly because Wolf is being very "flirty").
She needs a bit more experience though
Well, it's not her normal job. It's kind of like when Mal was casting on the B stream at Red Bull Atlanta.
On July 21 2014 20:21 WGT-Baal wrote: I think SoJung is a nice addition to the cast though, it's funnier with her in a way (partly because Wolf is being very "flirty").
She needs a bit more experience though
Well, it's not her normal job. It's kind of like when Mal was casting on the B stream at Red Bull Atlanta.
Yes I know, that s what I meant actually. She s a great translator, and I meant it s nice she s getting casting time and she s doing well given it s not her job. I meant to say it d be nice to see her regularly and see how she improves.
On July 21 2014 20:21 WGT-Baal wrote: I think SoJung is a nice addition to the cast though, it's funnier with her in a way (partly because Wolf is being very "flirty").
She needs a bit more experience though
Well it´s better than yesterday when you heard her talking from the off.
On July 21 2014 20:21 WGT-Baal wrote: I think SoJung is a nice addition to the cast though, it's funnier with her in a way (partly because Wolf is being very "flirty").
She needs a bit more experience though
Well, it's not her normal job. It's kind of like when Mal was casting on the B stream at Red Bull Atlanta.
Yes I know, that s what I meant actually. She s a great translator, and I meant it s nice she s getting casting time and she s doing well given it s not her job. I meant to say it d be nice to see her regularly and see how she improves.
My bad for typing to quickly
Agreed, she kinda is what SNM was suppose to be: not a main caster but a complementary one that translates and adds korean insight/prospective.
On July 21 2014 20:29 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: 55 workers, Hydras time is running out.
Indeed, that harass might not of been killing workers but it did one thing, kept Hydra 3 base and then he tried to respond and couldn't now he is behind and struggling
I think the whole zealot harassment was kind of reactionary by Rain. Scouts gold base, no roach build, playing vs hydra >>> has to be a hydralisk timing; he used the warp prism to kill hydras instead of workers to buy time for his colo to come up. He queued the prism before he saw the hydra den, so it was just a good read by him.
On July 21 2014 20:28 Taf the Ghost wrote: I'll never quite get why Pro-level Zergs aren't dead certain their own base isn't scouted. Takes 1 creep tumor, really.
Its because ideally your main queen should be full energy and your creep spreading queens are far out on the map, usually the first few creep is outwards and joining up bases
On July 21 2014 05:57 Muffloe wrote: Maybe Cj'll actually play Gumiho now that it is all-kill. If they still refuse to play him I think SKT should have it quite comfortably
Glad PartinG also did us a favor in demonstrating again just how much mech sucks vs Protoss. Overall loved it, PartinG played like a baller, now I want SKT to win just to see his ceremony.
On July 21 2014 20:42 Lunareste wrote: Wolf x SoJung fanfic, someone pls
Apparently SoJung is really good friends with TY IRL. TY mentioned her in an interview and she mentions she roots for him because he is her friend irl. Too bad for Wolf heh
On July 21 2014 20:42 Lunareste wrote: Wolf x SoJung fanfic, someone pls
Apparently SoJung is really good friends with TY IRL. TY mentioned her in an interview and she mentions she roots for him because he is her friend irl. Too bad for Wolf heh
Looking forward to tomorrow, I hope it goes close and CJ wins in the end! Maybe ill make some more terrible hype shit if I can get an idea. I hope Bunny and Dark get a third rematch :D
On July 21 2014 17:41 Pandemona wrote: I will for you Aeromi, but i think our friend Templar will be LR for us If not ill recap every game i can (at work too )
I think The_Templar is busy today but just do a recap, you have to work too.
Thanks in advance !
Was sleeping, couldn't set an alarm because I would have woken other people and they would have been mad :\
DarkHush Record 4-1 (38th) 7-3 (27th) Last 10 -----wlwww wwwlwwllww ZvP 1-0 (45th) 1-2 (45th) Last 5 ----w --wll Merry Go Round LE 3-0 (4th) 0-1 (20th) (ZvP 1-1) Best map (+3) Most played map (3)
ClassicSora Record 12-8 (16th) 3-6 (44th) Last 10 wwllwwwlll -wlwllllwl PvP 4-3 (21st) 2-2 (33rd) Last 5 wllwl -wllw King Sejong Stati... 6-2 (3rd) 0-1 (34th) (PvP x12) Best map (+4) Most played map (8)
soOHydra Record 12-8 (16th) 7-15 (30th) Last 10 wwlwlwwwwl lwlwlllwll ZvZ 3-4 (24th) 1-3 (48th) Last 5 wwlll -wlll Habitation Statio... 1-1 (22nd) 3-1 (6th) (ZvZ x3) Best map (+2)
RainBbyong Record 16-10 (10th) 19-9 (6th) Last 10 wlwwwlwwwl wwlwllwwll PvT 3-1 (19th) 10-6 (4th) Last 5 -wwlw wllwl Outboxer 5-2 (4th) 6-2 (1st) (PvT 9-12) Best map (+3) Best map (+4) Most played map (7)
PartinGherO Record 15-8 (11th) 23-16 (3rd) Last 10 llwwwwllww llwwwwwlll PvP 4-7 (24th) 11-5 (3rd) Last 5 lllwl llwww Frost LE 0-1 (38th) 2-3 (21st) (PvP x12)
SoulkeyEffOrt Record 20-11 (4th) 5-12 (37th) Last 10 wlwwwwlwwl llwwwlllwl ZvZ 8-3 (2nd) 1-6 (50th) Last 5 wwwww lllll Overgrowth LE 0-0 0-0 (ZvZ x4)
DarkHush Record 4-1 (38th) 7-3 (27th) Last 10 -----wlwww wwwlwwllww ZvP 1-0 (45th) 1-2 (45th) Last 5 ----w --wll Merry Go Round LE 3-0 (4th) 0-1 (20th) (ZvP 1-1) Best map (+3) Most played map (3)
ClassicSora Record 12-8 (16th) 3-6 (44th) Last 10 wwllwwwlll -wlwllllwl PvP 4-3 (21st) 2-2 (33rd) Last 5 wllwl -wllw King Sejong Stati... 6-2 (3rd) 0-1 (34th) (PvP x12) Best map (+4) Most played map (8)
soOHydra Record 12-8 (16th) 7-15 (30th) Last 10 wwlwlwwwwl lwlwlllwll ZvZ 3-4 (24th) 1-3 (48th) Last 5 wwlll -wlll Habitation Statio... 1-1 (22nd) 3-1 (6th) (ZvZ x3) Best map (+2)
RainBbyong Record 16-10 (10th) 19-9 (6th) Last 10 wlwwwlwwwl wwlwllwwll PvT 3-1 (19th) 10-6 (4th) Last 5 -wwlw wllwl Outboxer 5-2 (4th) 6-2 (1st) (PvT 9-12) Best map (+3) Best map (+4) Most played map (7)
PartinGherO Record 15-8 (11th) 23-16 (3rd) Last 10 llwwwwllww llwwwwwlll PvP 4-7 (24th) 11-5 (3rd) Last 5 lllwl llwww Frost LE 0-1 (38th) 2-3 (21st) (PvP x12)
SoulkeyEffOrt Record 20-11 (4th) 5-12 (37th) Last 10 wlwwwwlwwl llwwwlllwl ZvZ 8-3 (2nd) 1-6 (50th) Last 5 wwwww lllll Overgrowth LE 0-0 0-0 (ZvZ x4)
DarkHush Record 4-1 (38th) 7-3 (27th) Last 10 -----wlwww wwwlwwllww ZvP 1-0 (45th) 1-2 (45th) Last 5 ----w --wll Merry Go Round LE 3-0 (4th) 0-1 (20th) (ZvP 1-1) Best map (+3) Most played map (3)
ClassicSora Record 12-8 (16th) 3-6 (44th) Last 10 wwllwwwlll -wlwllllwl PvP 4-3 (21st) 2-2 (33rd) Last 5 wllwl -wllw King Sejong Stati... 6-2 (3rd) 0-1 (34th) (PvP x12) Best map (+4) Most played map (8)
soOHydra Record 12-8 (16th) 7-15 (30th) Last 10 wwlwlwwwwl lwlwlllwll ZvZ 3-4 (24th) 1-3 (48th) Last 5 wwlll -wlll Habitation Statio... 1-1 (22nd) 3-1 (6th) (ZvZ x3) Best map (+2)
RainBbyong Record 16-10 (10th) 19-9 (6th) Last 10 wlwwwlwwwl wwlwllwwll PvT 3-1 (19th) 10-6 (4th) Last 5 -wwlw wllwl Outboxer 5-2 (4th) 6-2 (1st) (PvT 9-12) Best map (+3) Best map (+4) Most played map (7)
PartinGherO Record 15-8 (11th) 23-16 (3rd) Last 10 llwwwwllww llwwwwwlll PvP 4-7 (24th) 11-5 (3rd) Last 5 lllwl llwww Frost LE 0-1 (38th) 2-3 (21st) (PvP x12)
SoulkeyEffOrt Record 20-11 (4th) 5-12 (37th) Last 10 wlwwwwlwwl llwwwlllwl ZvZ 8-3 (2nd) 1-6 (50th) Last 5 wwwww lllll Overgrowth LE 0-0 0-0 (ZvZ x4)
Meh, too many mirrors Looks like a pretty good draw for SKT1, though I guess it could also be considered lucky for CJ to have the chance to coinflip against Classic, soO and Soulkey with inferior players in PvP and ZvZ.
On July 21 2014 23:25 19Meavis93 wrote: Bbyong on outboxer again, will or won't he mek will be interesting
Given how easily Parting killed it with a timing off of an antibio build and failed blink aggression, I doubt he should try again. But then again, he might as well, since his chances to beat Rain in a standard game are pretty low I guess.
<a target="_blank" title="Merry Go Round LE - TLPD Information" href="https://tl.net/tlpd/hots/maps/663_Merry%20Go%20Round%20LE">Merry Go Round LE</a> Most played <img style="width:17px;height:15px;margin-right:3px" alt="(Z)" title="Zerg" src="https://tl.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png"><a target="_blank" title="Soulkey - TLPD Information" href="https://tl.net/tlpd/hots/players/647_Soulkey">Soulkey</a> (4-0) <img style="width:17px;height:15px;margin-right:3px" alt="(Z)" title="Zerg" src="https://tl.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png"><a target="_blank" title="EffOrt - TLPD Information" href="https://tl.net/tlpd/hots/players/581_EffOrt">EffOrt</a> (2-2) Best player <img style="width:17px;height:15px;margin-right:3px" alt="(Z)" title="Zerg" src="https://tl.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png"><a target="_blank" title="Soulkey - TLPD Information" href="https://tl.net/tlpd/hots/players/647_Soulkey">Soulkey</a> (4-0) <img style="width:17px;height:15px;margin-right:3px" alt="(T)" title="Terran" src="https://tl.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png"><a target="_blank" title="GuMiho - TLPD Information" href="https://tl.net/tlpd/hots/players/2106_GuMiho">GuMiho</a> (2-0)
Meh, too many mirrors Looks like a pretty good draw for SKT1, though I guess it could also be considered lucky for CJ to have the chance to coinflip against Classic, soO and Soulkey with inferior players in PvP and ZvZ.
On July 21 2014 23:25 19Meavis93 wrote: Bbyong on outboxer again, will or won't he mek will be interesting
Given how easily Parting killed it with a timing off of an antibio build and failed blink aggression, I doubt he should try again. But then again, he might as well, since his chances to beat Rain in a standard game are pretty low I guess.
Bbyong isn't half bad in standard bio TvP either, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him beat Rain. I was surprised that he went for the same build today against Parting, but I suppose it means that mech - at least on Outboxer - is working out for him in practice.
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